1989 ZR-1 Pilot #004 Thread

[1989ZR1#74]

The new door trim arrived today. Been to busy with work to get started on the repair. Found and removed the PASS Module. Not much progress today. Hopefully tomorrow there will be more oportunity.

[1989ZR1#74]

The Window sticker and build sheet arrived today. Here it is:

http://www.syreal.com/builsheetsm.jpg

[-=Jeff=-]

So if I read the date correctly is it 88/092..

So would that mean the 92 day of 88 or the 92 Work day of 88?

[1989ZR1#74]

So if I read the date correctly is it 88/092..

So would that mean the 92 day of 88 or the 92 Work day of 88?

It's 82nd day of 88, but that is just when the sheet was printed. The same day that #010's build sheet was printed. The 82nd day of 1988 was March 23rd. The tank sticker say kick in on 4/19/88

[ZZZZZR1]

I was more than happy to help 029 steal the show. My pleasure.....

Now, let's find me a ZR1!!!!!!!!

Now? :happy1:

[vettebrett]

Blue Flame is like a Blood Hound trying to find one now. :dancing:happy1:

[Blue Flame Restorations]

It's got to be the right one. Hopefully, it will happen sooner than later.

[vettebrett]

See what I mean, he even knows when I am talking about him:blahblah::blahblah:

[A26B]

It's got to be the right one. Hopefully, it will happen sooner than later.

:wave:Well, I have for sale, a 1993, 40th Anniversary, Ruby ZR-1 with 168 miles on it. Box stock except for battery & oil filter.

[jrd1990zr1]

:wave: And I have 1990 Red/Red bone stock with 8,100 miles on it that I might be talked into selling. Top Flight Regional and National NCRS.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

They both sound like very nice cars. :cheers:

[ZZZZZR1]

They both sound like very nice cars. :cheers:

Take a look @ the name of his company, something stands out.

"BLUE" :icon_scra


I think he wants a blue ZR-1!

:cheers:

David

[Tyler Townsley]

Take a look @ the name of his company, something stands out.

"BLUE" :icon_scra


I think he wants a blue ZR-1!

:cheers:

David

I know where there are 2 blue 88 prototypes. Not sure he has deep enough pockets for one but the other HMMMM.

Tyler

[-=Jeff=-]

It's 82nd day of 88, but that is just when the sheet was printed. The same day that #010's build sheet was printed. The 82nd day of 1988 was March 23rd. The tank sticker say kick in on 4/19/88

gotcha, so that is when the order sheet is printed, how do you find when it was built..

Mine was Jan of 1990

[Blue Flame Restorations]

If I only had one 53 sold and the other ready to sell, the pockets would be deep enough to snag what I really want. P8Y087!!!

[phrogs]

It's 82nd day of 88, but that is just when the sheet was printed. The same day that #010's build sheet was printed. The 82nd day of 1988 was March 23rd. The tank sticker say kick in on 4/19/88


wouldn't that be the 92nd day where do the other 10 days go? They use the julian day callender am I right?

the 92nd day of 88 was friday april 1st.

[1989ZR1#74]

wouldn't that be the 92nd day where do the other 10 days go? They use the julian day callender am I right?

the 92nd day of 88 was friday april 1st.

Build sheet says 82 not 92

[1989ZR1#74]

gotcha, so that is when the order sheet is printed, how do you find when it was built..

Mine was Jan of 1990


My understanding is that most Corvettes are built very near the date printed on the build sheet, but these ZR-1 pilots appear to have been built 3 weeks after their sheets were printed. On yours the dealer invoice will show for sure. Shows build date, ship date. and arrival.

[Tyler Townsley]

My understanding is that most Corvettes are built very near the date printed on the build sheet, but these ZR-1 pilots appear to have been built 3 weeks after their sheets were printed. On yours the dealer invoice will show for sure. Shows build date, ship date. and arrival.

There is a build date calculator out there somewhare that you can enter the vin and see the production date. For the EX units you would need the vin of the preceeding car or kick in behind car vin.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

Just gave Corvettes White George a tour of the 89s today. Great meeting him and learning more about the two. I tell you what the more members of the Registry I meet the more I realize what a great group this is. Eric

[Heinrocket]

Heh Blue Flame, is the picture in your avatar a Morrison Escort car at Sears Point? I tried enblarging but the resolution is not good enough.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Heh Blue Flame, is the picture in your avatar a Morrison Escort car at Sears Point? I tried enblarging but the resolution is not good enough.

Hi John. Not sure where it was taken but it is the #99, for sure. This is the car that I plan to bring to BG in May for you to look at. I'd love to end up with a pic of the car wrecked at the track and speak to you about it all. Bring back any memories? Are you at the wheel in this picture or is it Percilla?
http://i49.tinypic.com/2mg1mo7.jpg

[Corvettes White]

Just gave Corvettes White George a tour of the 89s today. ...

And Eric, Thank you for letting me take a look at your cars. Never again in our lifetimes will such opportunities show up to own such unique Corvettes.

:handshak: George

[1989ZR1#74]

Ok, Today I installed the driver’s side front shock servo. This cleared the SRS light. I am also somewhat baffled by the air deflector for #004. The whole deflector was a bit askew. I had previously removed and heat straightened the chin spoiler. I noticed the air deflector "wing" was missing. After looking at #074s assembly and my L98s I determined that an L98 wing would work. I found a used one on Ebay. Well I was wrong! It appears that the mounting brackets on #004 are entirely different from the L98 and #074 (see picture):

http://www.syreal.com/airdeflectorsm.jpg

#004 has a slight bend and three rivet mounting holes. #074 is straight with 2 rivet mouning holes. The used brakets have 2 mounting rivets.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Eric, do you know what an 88 production car bracket would look like compared to the #004 89 prototype ZR1? Also, I wonder what it looks like compared to Tyler's car?

[1989ZR1#74]

Eric, do you know what an 88 production car bracket would look like compared to the #004 89 prototype ZR1? Also, I wonder what it looks like compared to Tyler's car?

All good questions. Not sure. The parts book calls out one set of brackets for all year L98 wing ends:

14058299 LH
14058300 RH

The picture looks like it has 2 rivet holes:

http://www.syreal.com/wingbracketsm.jpg

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Is that a parts book for 88 or 89 production cars? Maybe there wasn't a production page for the 88 or 89 ZR1, even though it would make sense to have a book for the 89 in anticipation to the planned 89 ZR1 release.

Does the bracket on your #004 have a part number on it?

[1989ZR1#74]

No part number that I can see. THe parts book is for up to 89 not including ZR-1. I was just showing that it appears that the 88 part is the same as the part I bought.

The more I look at this the more I am thinking there may never have been a "wing" on it. There is no evidence that the rivets were drilled out or broken off. The brackets look untouched. I have some preliminary engineering drawings but they do not show the wing. On the other hand I have seen the wing on other earlier then #074 cars and I think #016 has one.

[Tyler Townsley]

I have a 88/89 Prototype Program assembly document for ZR-1 sprcific parts and it does not list a ZR-1 only chin spoiler. The PAD shows the radiator assembly is a ZR-1 specific item, below that area everything would be production 88.

Tyler

[zedrone]

I think the change happened when the cooling pods changed, which my rusty brain thinks was in '90. The '86 cooling pods are hand laid fiberglass that were so "unique" that the underside of the hood reinforcements had to be cut out. A center airduct from a '90 might bolt right on, or the engineers might have just rigged it, knowing it was preproduction. I also think there was a different (deeper) spoiler for a Z51 car.

Ed

[-=Jeff=-]

I think the change happened when the cooling pods changed, which my rusty brain thinks was in '90. The '86 cooling pods are hand laid fiberglass that were so "unique" that the underside of the hood reinforcements had to be cut out. A center airduct from a '90 might bolt right on, or the engineers might have just rigged it, knowing it was preproduction. I also think there was a different (deeper) spoiler for a Z51 car.

Ed

I swapped the 90 Radiator into my 89, I think most of the bolts for that assembly were in the right spot.. but on th ebottom of the car there were a couple brackets in the way if I recall correctly

[1989ZR1#74]

I think the change happened when the cooling pods changed, which my rusty brain thinks was in '90. The '86 cooling pods are hand laid fiberglass that were so "unique" that the underside of the hood reinforcements had to be cut out. A center airduct from a '90 might bolt right on, or the engineers might have just rigged it, knowing it was preproduction. I also think there was a different (deeper) spoiler for a Z51 car.

Ed

There is a L98 Z51 chin deflector thats about a 1/2" taller. #074 has the Z51 chin deflector and #004 has the shorter standard deflector. I can see how a L98 standard "wing" will fit #074 but the brackets on #004 (the ones with the 3 holes) are canted in and make the standard "wing" spoiler to wide.

[1989ZR1#74]

I have continued to clean up the various wheel wells. The flat black paint is everywhere. Some comes off easy other not so much. So far the shocks are the hardest areas to clean:

Driver's side rear wheel well Before:
http://www.syreal.com/driverwellrearbefore.JPG

After:

http://www.syreal.com/driverwheelwellafter.JPG


Passenger Front wheel well before:

http://www.syreal.com/wheelwellbefore.JPG

After:

http://www.syreal.com/passfrontwell.JPG

[bdw18_123]

Looks good, the parts looks pretty nice under all that crap! My car looks the same under there as yours does, except mine is covered in greasy dirt instead of flat black paint. I need to clean the underside of my Z really good also.

[1989ZR1#74]

Well, Last year at the Gathering I took several pictures of #016s air dam (not sure why, but I did!) It appears that #016 has the same "wing" configuration as #074. #004 is still the odd man out:

http://www.syreal.com/004airdam1.JPG

http://www.syreal.com/016airdam1.JPG


http://www.syreal.com/074airdam1.JPG

[1989ZR1#74]

well I am mired in flat black paint removal. I have probably spent 10 to 12 hours scraping, rubbing, wire brushing, and scouring this awful rattle can black from every nook and cranny of the wheel wells. and I have not even started on the passenger rear yet. The hardest area to get the paint off from is the shocks. The foil delco sticker is very fragile. I cleaned the rear drivers side half shaft and found "P00004" written in marker on it.

#004 is slowly coming around. I hope to have the chassis detailing done this week so I can get it's legs back under her. then on to the dash/gauges/radio detail. The most difficult part is staying focused. ZR-1 A.D.D. is costly to progress. Sorry no pictures with this post but I can only show you the wheel wells so many times before your eyes roll back into your heads. Eric

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Never be shy to post pics, Eric. I enjoy seeing the progress you're making.
Can't wait to get started on mine when I get one!!

[vettebrett]

Can't wait to get started on mine when I get one!!


You need to hurry up and get one soon:wave::wave:

[Blue Flame Restorations]

You need to hurry up and get one soon:wave::wave:

Hopefully, sooner than you think....

[vettebrett]

Hopefully, sooner than you think....

OH DO TELL PLEASE:p:p:blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:

[Blue Flame Restorations]

When I land the big fish, everyone will hear me scream!!

[TommyL]

This is a very interesting thread... I like to see this kind of enthusiasm with regards to restoration especially when it comes to these prototypes. I would love to have one of these 87-89 ZR-1s not only is it a ZR-1 but the rarest of rare when it comes to GM's high perfomance design and engineering. I don't think we will see this kind of devolopment again when it comes to high performance american cars...this is American automotive history. Please keep the info and pics comming and this project when complete, will be a great story for the KOTH.

[1989ZR1#74]

This is a very interesting thread... I like to see this kind of enthusiasm with regards to restoration especially when it comes to these prototypes. I would love to have one of these 87-89 ZR-1s not only is it a ZR-1 but the rarest of rare when it comes to GM's high perfomance design and engineering. I don't think we will see this kind of devolopment again when it comes to high performance american cars...this is American automotive history. Please keep the info and pics comming and this project when complete, will be a great story for the KOTH.


Thank you Tommy, I am having a ball. I hope to have it 90% done (minus DRM paint) by the Gathering. YOu are right about the C4 ZR-1. Remember they created this while trying to release the C5 in 93. that was such a small window of time.

[Z51JEFF]

I don't think we will see this kind of devolopment again when it comes to high performance american cars...this is American automotive history. Please keep the info and pics comming and this project when complete, will be a great story for the KOTH.

I would agree on this,it amazes me this ever came together.An exclusive motor and body work not too mention countless parts that are ZR-1 specific that were shared with no other G.M. vehicles.

[Z51JEFF]

OH DO TELL PLEASE:p:p:blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:

Would you care to throw us a bone?

[Tyler Townsley]

OH DO TELL PLEASE:p:p:blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:
First he needs to learn how to speak proper ENGLISH.

Tyler

[SharkPilot]

I just saw this thread today and sat and read through all thirty pages of it. Thanks you guys for the photos, the knowledge and the generosity to share it with all of us. I'm anxious to see more...

[1989ZR1#74]

I just saw this thread today and sat and read through all thirty pages of it. Thanks you guys for the photos, the knowledge and the generosity to share it with all of us. I'm anxious to see more...

If I had a laptop in the bathroom I would reread it again!

[1989ZR1#74]

Yesterday's eye rolling into head photo update:

http://www.syreal.com/p00004.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/halfdecal.JPG

http://www.syreal.com/drvwell4.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/shock.jpg

[Tyler Townsley]

My calipers etc have no markings on them. No way to tell who made them.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

My calipers etc have no markings on them. No way to tell who made them.

Tyler

Do they look like production ZR-1 calipers?

[RHanselman]

That's about the best hour reading that I've spent in a long time!

:thumbsup:

[DMark]

This would make for one Heck of a Great PowerPoint and Walk-Around presentation at the 20th Anniversary Gathering in BG! :worship:

[1989ZR1#74]

http://www.syreal.com/powerpointless.jpgThis would make for one Heck of a Great PowerPoint and Walk-Around presentation at the 20th Anniversary Gathering in BG! :worship:

[1989ZR1#74]

It may just be lacquer thinner fumes getting to me , but I think I have finished the driver's side wheel well. Just a few last things and on to the passenger's side.

Just to recap Before:

http://www.syreal.com/driverwellrearbefore.JPG


And after:

http://www.syreal.com/rearwheelwelldone.JPG

[vettebrett]

It may just be lacquer thinner fumes getting to me , but I think I have finished the driver's side wheel well. Just a few last things and on to the passenger's side.

Just to recap Before:

http://www.syreal.com/driverwellrearbefore.JPG


And after:

http://www.syreal.com/rearwheelwelldone.JPG

Everything looks great except you missed a spot, the ulgy round brown thing at the bottom of the pic:):)

[1989ZR1#74]

Everything looks great except you missed a spot, the ulgy round brown thing at the bottom of the pic:):)

Yes I plan on cleaning up the rotor. I will do that when I service/bleed the brakes.

[vettebrett]

We as your corvette brothers can not allow anyone car to be dirty and not point it out. They all have to be clean even if they are not our own:-D:-D

We have an image to uphold and that is we are snobby and wear gold chains.

[1989ZR1#74]

Everything looks great except you missed a spot, the ulgy round brown thing at the bottom of the pic:):)

Better?

http://www.syreal.com/rotor.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/calmountdr.JPG

[vettebrett]

Better?



:dancing:dancing:handshak::handshak:

Great looking, now you just have 3 more to go:mrgreen:

[1989ZR1#74]

Ok started on the last wheel well.

Before:

http://www.syreal.com/passwellbefore.JPG

http://www.syreal.com/passrearwell.JPG

Found some marks on the pass side half shaft:

http://www.syreal.com/passhalf.jpg

[-=Jeff=-]

did you ever find out why everything was painted black?

[bdw18_123]

did you ever find out why everything was painted black?

It was probably so that the all the stuff in the wheelwells and under the car would not be visible in the photos, since Eric's car was originally purchased by the advertising division of GM.

[Hammer]

Eric,

That is a lot of work, I know, I've done it to mine. Seriously, get some of Adam's Invisible undercarriage spray for those now. You will be surprised at how much it helps.

Keep the posts coming, I love this.

Thanks a lot.

[TommyL]

Eric,

That is a lot of work, I know, I've done it to mine. Seriously, get some of Adam's Invisible undercarriage spray for those now. You will be surprised at how much it helps.

Keep the posts coming, I love this.

Thanks a lot.

In for a nickle in for a dime...instead of covering everything with a spray ect. might as well take it apart to detail and touch everything up. It is far easier to clean and detail, takes less time, does a more thorough job and it is only nuts and bolts...the odd screw.

[1989ZR1#74]

good tip, This one unfotunately will not get driven much and AZ is very dry so it should stay pretty clean. I originally thought that the blackout was for pictures, but I since learned that the VOCO school painted it. It appears to have at least 2 resprays. Bright red, then the metallic blue. Whoever painted it red did not mask the wheel wells. There was a lot or overspray. Their solution was to cover the red with black. Then it was painted blue. There is some (not as much as the red) blue overspray. This was also covered with another coat of black. When I remove the black there is a layer of black, some blue, another layer of black then some red then the natural finish. The trick is remove the four coats but not the fifth. Luckily I have done this a few times before. mechanical removal is always first, Putty knife/soft wire brush, then use removers. I pressure wash the parts that can be removed (wheel tubs and inner fenders) then repeat. I will keep posting until I stop forward progress. Hopefully that will not be for a long time.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

You can show off your detailing skills in BG this year. It's really beginning to clean up nicely. Can't wait to see it in person.:thumbsup:

[-=Jeff=-]

Eric,

you wanna clean mine next? I still have Colorado Dust underneath it from when I bought it in 2007 :sign10:

[1989ZR1#74]

Eric,

you wanna clean mine next? I still have Colorado Dust underneath it from when I bought it in 2007 :sign10:

Sure, but you have to bring it to me... With both Keys! Every wheel well detail requires a 500 mile test, leak evaluation drive. In order to determine what type of cleaning solutions need for the rear half shafts both sets of injectors must be engaged.

[-=Jeff=-]

Sure, but you have to bring it to me... With both Keys! Every wheel well detail requires a 500 mile test, leak evaluation drive. In order to determine what type of cleaning solutions need for the rear half shafts both sets of injectors must be engaged.


Sure I will bring you the door key and ignition key :sign10:

Wow.. 500 miles for each wheel well, that (unfortunately) is more mile then I put on it last year :notworthy

[1989ZR1#74]

Update: pulled the passenger wheel tub/liner. Finished cleaning the sway bar. cleaned the brake lines. and other areas. Should have the wheels back on and on the ground by Tuesday. I had to replace both front Gatorbacks. They just couldnt hold air. Sourced them frm ebay. a 1991 datecode and a 1997 date code. Kept the leaky 88 date code tires. Then the fun begins.

Major to do list items.

1. Drain fuel tank
2. remove rust from fuel filler neck.
3. fix the radio so all 4 speakers work
4. Blinker indicators don't work
5. High Beam indicator doesn't work.

Oh yeah.. Get it to run. The Zr-1 has an 1988 style PASS/VATS Module. I have sourced a correct code 4 replacement. Hopefully that will take car of the starting issue.

[Tyler Townsley]

Oh yeah.. Get it to run. The Zr-1 has an 1988 style PASS/VATS Module. I have sourced a correct code 4 replacement. Hopefully that will take car of the starting issue.

Fly me there and I will get to run for you.

Do you have spark and no fuel or fuel and no spark?

Tyler

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Fly me there and I will get to run for you.

Do you have spark and no fuel or fuel and no spark?

Tyler

Maybe I'll let you help me get mine running when the time comes?

[Tyler Townsley]

Maybe I'll let you help me get mine running when the time comes?

Yeah doing my 55 is giving me a real apprecition for those early cars. Arn't 6 cyl cars even easier since they have 2 fewer cyls.

Tyler

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Yeah doing my 55 is giving me a real apprecition for those early cars. Arn't 6 cyl cars even easier since they have 2 fewer cyls.

Tyler

Even though theyr'e simplistic, they each have a personality of their own. Some fight you all the way to the bitter end. Others are a walk in the park.

PS
I think I just sold my Morrison car. Kinda hope not.:rolleyes: If so, that'll be three cars in two weeks! I guess I'll have more garage space for a ZR1.

[1989ZR1#74]

Yeah doing my 55 is giving me a real apprecition for those early cars. Arn't 6 cyl cars even easier since they have 2 fewer cyls.

Tyler

and 6 fewer volts, but twice as many hood releases. The hardest part is the window regulator adjustments.

[1989ZR1#74]

Fly me there and I will get to run for you.

Do you have spark and no fuel or fuel and no spark?

Tyler

No Fuel No spark No starter... It's a VATS/PASS module failure. I don't want to replace it until I get that old fuel out of the system.

[1989ZR1#74]

Even though theyr'e simplistic, they each have a personality of their own. Some fight you all the way to the bitter end. Others are a walk in the park.

PS
I think I just sold my Morrison car. Kinda hope not.:rolleyes: If so, that'll be three cars in two weeks! I guess I'll have more garage space for a ZR1.

What are you gonna park in the museum your pickup?

[Blue Flame Restorations]

What are you gonna park in the museum your pickup?

That'll be about all I have left!:cry:

I'll still have the 53 and a couple of 54 projects (Motorama Corvair) and a 69 GTO convertible. Maybe I can find a "driver" ZR1 sometime this year.

[vettebrett]

I'll still have the 53 and a couple of 54 projects (Motorama Corvair) and a 69 GTO convertible. Maybe I can find a "driver" ZR1 sometime this year.

Don't forget to add the Morrison car back in there and what "2" ZR-1's by then:jawdrop:

[Tyler Townsley]

What are you gonna park in the museum your pickup?

If he has got his British accent down good enough he may have a suprise for us all.

Tyler

[Tyler Townsley]

Oh yeah.. Get it to run. The Zr-1 has an 1988 style PASS/VATS Module. I have sourced a correct code 4 replacement. Hopefully that will take car of the starting issue.

OK call this guy:
http://www.tabercorvetteparts.com/
He (or his son) repaired my dash cluster and was going to make copies of the 8k tach face so he could do them for anyone. The only difference between the 2 dashes is the face plate for the tach. He can alos help you on the VATS module.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

OK call this guy:
http://www.tabercorvetteparts.com/
He (or his son) repaired my dash cluster and was going to make copies of the 8k tach face so he could do them for anyone. The only difference between the 2 dashes is the face plate for the tach. He can alos help you on the VATS module.

Tyler


Tyler, Thanks as soon as the wheels are back on I was going to start on the dash/radio. I will get in touch with them.

Eric

[tomtom72]

Update: pulled the passenger wheel tub/liner. Finished cleaning the sway bar. cleaned the brake lines. and other areas. Should have the wheels back on and on the ground by Tuesday. I had to replace both front Gatorbacks. They just couldnt hold air. Sourced them frm ebay. a 1991 datecode and a 1997 date code. Kept the leaky 88 date code tires. Then the fun begins.

Major to do list items.

1. Drain fuel tank
2. remove rust from fuel filler neck.
3. fix the radio so all 4 speakers work
4. Blinker indicators don't work
5. High Beam indicator doesn't work.

Oh yeah.. Get it to run. The Zr-1 has an 1988 style PASS/VATS Module. I have sourced a correct code 4 replacement. Hopefully that will take car of the starting issue.

Please forgive me chiming in.:redface: I have a 90, may 90 build. I still have the original tires that came with the car from BG. I would donate them to your project if you think that they would be of some use to the project. The tires have 7400 miles on them, no cracks on the tread or sidewall and they hold air. I can go look at the date codes if you like? They are still mounted on the OE 90 wheels so I do not know what the inside of the tire looks like. My car spent the first 14.5 yrs of it's life in a heated garage....the original owner was a custom home builder so his garage had all the extras.

I'm not trying to sell you the tires. I don't need them. My car will never see NCRS and they are free to you if they will help you out. We can settle the UPS bill at your leisure.

:cheers:
Tom

I forgot, these tires have not been used much by me as I ordered new tires for the car before I took delivery of the car. I went from 7400 miles to 8200 miles and then got new wheels for the new tires that I ordered. Sorry about my forgetfulness. They have been stored inside since 5/05.

[1989ZR1#74]

Please forgive me chiming in.:redface: I have a 90, may 90 build. I still have the original tires that came with the car from BG. I would donate them to your project if you think that they would be of some use to the project. The tires have 7400 miles on them, no cracks on the tread or sidewall and they hold air. I can go look at the date codes if you like? They are still mounted on the OE 90 wheels so I do not know what the inside of the tire looks like. My car spent the first 14.5 yrs of it's life in a heated garage....the original owner was a custom home builder so his garage had all the extras.

I'm not trying to sell you the tires. I don't need them. My car will never see NCRS and they are free to you if they will help you out. We can settle the UPS bill at your leisure.

:cheers:
Tom

I forgot, these tires have not been used much by me as I ordered new tires for the car before I took delivery of the car. I went from 7400 miles to 8200 miles and then got new wheels for the new tires that I ordered. Sorry about my forgetfulness. They have been stored inside since 5/05.

Wow Tom, you are awesome. Sounds like you have some neat tires. The two tires I bought appear correct and have very few miles on them as well. Since #004 is not eligible for NCRS judging, and NCRS doesn't judge date codes on tires (only I the OCD ZR-1 restorer would even look at the date codes!) The ones I have are ok. I paid about $80 a piece for them on Ebay so you should be able to sell them. If not I will let you know if I need them in the future. There may be another Early ZR-1 in the registry soon that may need Gatorbacks so don't sell them yet. Eric

[DMark]

.... I'm not trying to sell you the tires. I don't need them. My car will never see NCRS and they are free to you if they will help you out.....
WOW!

Now that is a Brother Of The Beast.

I hereby proclaim this thread as EPIC! :worship:

[Blue Flame Restorations]

If he has got his British accent down good enough he may have a suprise for us all.

Tyler

Feverishly working on it.

Cheerio!

[vettebrett]

Feverishly working on it.

Cheerio!

I believe someone has something up there sleeve??:cheers:

Let me guess, you are buying a high horsepower car from someone in BG??

Or even better, the cheap car from Hawaii and having it shipped to the main land soon.

:happy1::happy1::happy1:

[-=Jeff=-]

I believe someone has something up there sleeve??:cheers:

Let me guess, you are buying a high horsepower car from someone in BG??

Or even better, the cheap car from Hawaii and having it shipped to the main land soon.

:happy1::happy1::happy1:


or BOTH :eek:

[vettebrett]

He always has something really good up his sleeve, I am sure he will scream it from the ROOF TOP when he gets what he wants. He always find things that other people want (Morrison Car) that I was searching for :mad:.

But now his search is for a ZR-1 so I am curious to see what he turns up with this time around. It is never anything plain, so that is why I guessed the Van Dorn car because there is some history with that car. I am sure there are other cars out there with alot of history but they are not for sale so have to go with what is available.

Unless ERIC is ready to sell 1 of his special ZR-1's already and Blue Flame and Eric are in secret talks about a sale??:censored::censored:

[tomtom72]

Hi Brett, That just goes to show why I mostly just "listen" when it comes to threads like this.....didn't know that about the NCRS & the tires' date codes, and I certainly don't know much about restoring corvettes let alone restoring stuff like what you have.:jawdrop:

The offer still stands if you run into the need and need tires from that specific time period. Personally the tires are hard and the rears have about as much grip as steel. I was just going to throw them out as I want to put real tires on my OE wheels.

You guys, Eric and Dmark, make me :o blush. We are all BOTB here and I can't stand around if another ZR-1 Brother is jammed up & I may be able to help. That's what we do here, or at least that's what I think we do here....:redface:

[Tyler Townsley]

Eric if you want to throw NCRS into a twit enter # 74 for flight judging. Might loose some for the repaint but it would be a challange for them.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

Eric if you want to throw NCRS into a twit enter # 74 for flight judging. Might loose some for the repaint but it would be a challange for them.

Tyler

I asked, since there is no NCRS TIM&JG (Technical Information Manual and Judging Guide)it cannot be judged. The vin sequence does not match the 1989 TIM&JG. It is eligible to be "considered" for a Heritage Award.

Tom, your input is more then welcome. Offers like yours makes the Registry the best group I have been associated with.

[1989ZR1#74]

Unless ERIC is ready to sell 1 of his special ZR-1's already and Blue Flame and Eric are in secret talks about a sale??:censored::censored:

Shhhh Blue Flame and I are the Illuminati of the ZR-1 world. Mear mention of secret talks often leads to bad things. Now if we can just figure out the Prototype Codex.. Where's Prof. Robert Langdon when you need him.....

[vettebrett]

Shhhh Blue Flame and I are the Illuminati of the ZR-1 world. Mear mention of secret talks often leads to bad things. Now if we can just figure out the Prototype Codex.. Where's Prof. Robert Langdon when you need him.....

Well I believe he is hiding in S Florida and thinks his car is the oldest one around. He even has some fascination with royalty and the name of his car.
:-D:-D

Bad things like these cars changing hands between you 2 and know one else getting to buy one:-D:-D Go ahead and tell everyone you are selling them both to him now and make everyone else mad.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Heck, I don't even own a ZR1......yet.:dontknow:

PS
Give me about a week or so and I'll report back with you.

[1989ZR1#74]

Pressure washed the passenger side rear wheel tub. found a "1989" in grease pencil:

http://www.syreal.com/passwheeltub.JPG

[1989ZR1#74]

For those that have never seen this label. Here it is. Its locted on the drivers side of the windshield facing the driver. I am scrapping this one off and it's not coming off easily nor in one piece. I guess it just shows you.. One man's JUNK is another man's treasure!

http://www.syreal.com/junklabel.JPG

[bdw18_123]

"... Upon completion of your use of this vehicle, it must be scrapped (completely destroyed) by you."

:jawdrop: :thumbsdo: [-X

Yeah right, do they seriously think that once a prototype vehicle like this reaches private hands, it will EVER be destroyed? And secondly, if I had that car, I sure WOULD operate it on any road I damn well pleased!! :D

[LGAFF]

I feel for all of these guys who can't afford a real production ZR-1, having to resort to half engineered,junked vehicles to acquire one.....keep saving those nickels and dimes and maybe, just maybe, some day you can afford a streetable ZR-1. :mrgreen:

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I feel for all of these guys who can't afford a real production ZR-1, having to resort to half engineered,junked vehicles to acquire one.....keep saving those nickels and dimes and maybe, just maybe, some day you can afford a streetable ZR-1. :mrgreen:

:sign10::sign10::mrgreen:

[1989ZR1#74]

"... Upon completion of your use of this vehicle, it must be scrapped (completely destroyed) by you."

:jawdrop: :thumbsdo: [-X

Yeah right, do they seriously think that once a prototype vehicle like this reaches private hands, it will EVER be destroyed? And secondly, if I had that car, I sure WOULD operate it on any road I damn well pleased!! :D


That only applied to the School. Once GM retrieved it that no longer applies. And it wasn't Junked it was "Salvaged" just for the record.

[1989ZR1#74]

I feel for all of these guys who can't afford a real production ZR-1, having to resort to half engineered,junked vehicles to acquire one.....keep saving those nickels and dimes and maybe, just maybe, some day you can afford a streetable ZR-1. :mrgreen:

I think I'm gonna move back to Michigan, They get $.10 a returned beverage container/can. Won't take long for me to get a real ZR-1 at that rate. Heck may hold out for an 09 ZR1.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I'd still give just about anything to rebuild one of those crushed cars from England. Automotive history, for sure.

[vettebrett]

I'd still give just about anything to rebuild one of those crushed cars from England. Automotive history, for sure.

If you were to, what kind of time frame would a project like that take??

[Blue Flame Restorations]

If you were to, what kind of time frame would a project like that take??

Probably about 9-12 months, once the frame/birdcage was straightened up. Maybe a donor car purchase as well. It all depends on how motivated a guy is to get it back on the road.

[Z51JEFF]

Probably about 9-12 months, once the frame/birdcage was straightened up. Maybe a donor car purchase as well. It all depends on how motivated a guy is to get it back on the road.

I might have figured out which car is in the works Brett..........that is if its not the Black Widow car.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I might have figured out which car is in the works Brett..........that is if its not the Black Widow car.


Deathly afraid of spiders........Seriously

[Tyler Townsley]

Probably about 9-12 months, once the frame/birdcage was straightened up. Maybe a donor car purchase as well. It all depends on how motivated a guy is to get it back on the road.

On the Roebuck car the frame rails were straight. Although the cars were crushed the method used did not put a lot of weight on it.

Tyler

[phrogs]

Was able to pull part of the tank sticker today. To get the other part, I will have to find the mouse that ate it first...

http://www.syreal.com/tankstickercropsmall.jpg

A few thoughts:
Car was built after #010.
Was ordered by Advertising
Delivered to Campbell-Ewald Chevys ad agency.


there might be another build sheet up in the k frame I found one in the last 3 ZR-1s I checked might be a whole one in there!

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I've looked at the pics of the Jeal car and other boneyard cars. I agree, they only pushed the tops of the cars downward. With the suspension still intact, the "crush" was not too severe. Mainly cosmetic except for the windshield frame and halo support. Easily repaired. Afterward, new panels and paint.

[1989ZR1#74]

there might be another build sheet up in the k frame I found one in the last 3 ZR-1s I checked might be a whole one in there!

I found the one in the cross member. Can't get it out without tearing it or tearing the front end down!

[jrd1990zr1]

When you refer to the K-frame or front cross member exactly where are you describing the location?

I want to check out my 1990.

Thanks :cheers:

[1989ZR1#74]

When you refer to the K-frame or front cross member exactly where are you describing the location?

I want to check out my 1990.

Thanks :cheers:

Open the hood. Go to the drivers front wheel well. It is in the area of the frame that is closest to the drivers side exhaust manifold. It is the trangular shaped hollow. You can not get it out, and it can only be seen through two small holes:

http://www.syreal.com/buildsheet.JPG

If you look through all the holes in this area you will see it. It is wadded up in #004

[bdw18_123]

When you refer to the K-frame or front cross member exactly where are you describing the location?

I want to check out my 1990.

Thanks :cheers:

EDIT: I guess Eric found his in the driver's side, but on my '93 LT1 and my '90 ZR-1, it was in the passenger side as shown in the pic I posted below.

It's the big cross beam that is just below the crankshaft pulley. Here is a picture of the '93 LT1 C4 I had when I had the engine pulled out. The arrow is pointing to the little hole that you look through to see the build sheet:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/bdw18_123/STA70775-1.jpg

I pulled the sheet for my '90 Z out of the little hole, but it usually tears up and doesn't come out nice (plus, it was all grease/dirty from the oil cooler lines leaking). The only way to get it out without ruining it is to drop down that whole front suspension crossbeam. There is a bigger hole opposite of the small hole that you can't see with out removing the crossbeam.

[Z51JEFF]

I saw mine when I was doing a major clean,now its most likely ruined with all the soap and water I used but it is in there.

[1989ZR1#74]

Well, I took a day off from posting updates. I finished the pass side rear wheel well. Just need to get the rust off the rotor. Now the fun begins. I am going to swap the fuel filter and put it back on the ground.

I have also been working on a few side "documentation" projects for the gathering. I have absorbed so much 1989 ZR-1 info that I am hoping to put some kind of display together to share all this stuff with everyone there. So although I will still share most of what I find, I am saving some of it for the Gathering. (insert tease noise)

[1989ZR1#74]

It's done.. The last wheel well is done. http://www.syreal.com/passwelldone.JPG

In case you forgot:

http://www.syreal.com/passwellbefore.JPG

Today I swapped the fuel filter:

http://www.syreal.com/filter1.jpg

For those that question the need for a filter, keep this in mind:

http://www.syreal.com/fuel2.jpg

Thats black gold my friends... In the words of my daughter EEEWWWWWW.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

The cleaning looks great, Eric!
How much more work until you try to start it again?

[1989ZR1#74]

The cleaning looks great, Eric!
How much more work until you try to start it again?

Last step while on the stands is clean the 6 Speed and change the tranny oil. Then drop it on the ground, pull the fuel filler neck and drain and flush the fuel tank. Put new gas in it and flush the fuel rail. Then address the VATS/Pass Moudule. Then maybe...

[vettebrett]

half way there.:cheers:

[Z51JEFF]

half way there.:cheers:

Well Vettebrett.............have you got the itch?

[vettebrett]

OH YEAH, just no way to scratch it yet, my next project is this car as a replica and then a ZR-1 should be next.(Car is owned by GM and will not be for sale anytime soon so I will have to make my own down the the exact motor built by racer Kim Baker)

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/brettrichmond/1990-L98-LandSpeedRecord-06-1.jpg[/IMG]

[Z51JEFF]

OH YEAH, just no way to scratch it yet, my next project is this car as a replica and then a ZR-1 should be next.(Car is owned by GM and will not be for sale anytime soon so I will have to make my own down the the exact motor built by racer Kim Baker)

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/brettrichmond/1990-L98-LandSpeedRecord-06-1.jpg[/IMG]

I would LOVE to have a set of Corvette Challenge emblems.Whats a set of these go for if you can find them?

[vettebrett]

I would LOVE to have a set of Corvette Challenge emblems.Whats a set of these go for if you can find them?

An original set goes for $2000 - $2500 if you can find a set for sale. Dymag wheels come up for sale more often than these things do. I should have some sets available for sale in 2 or 3 months for sale as I am reproducing them for the first time. (No one else reproduces them) I will be selling them for $800 a set if you are interested, I will send you some pics when they are finished.

[Z51JEFF]

An original set goes for $2000 - $2500 if you can find a set for sale. Dymag wheels come up for sale more often than these things do. I should have some sets available for sale in 2 or 3 months for sale as I am reproducing them for the first time. (No one else reproduces them) I will be selling them for $800 a set if you are interested, I will send you some pics when they are finished.

I was just curious as too what these might cost.So your telling me the hood-gas door emblems got for at least $1000 apiece?Too rich for my blood.

[vettebrett]

I was just curious as too what these might cost.So your telling me the hood-gas door emblems got for at least $1000 apiece?Too rich for my blood.

That is the originals, my stuff is alot CHEAPER:-D:-D:-D

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Anything new, Eric? Does it run yet?

[1989ZR1#74]

Anything new, Eric? Does it run yet?

Nope I have not even set eyes on 004 since Friday. This week I hope. I am real concerned about getting that old fuel out of the system. Hate to have to replace the injectors.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

PM sent

[Tyler Townsley]

Nope I have not even set eyes on 004 since Friday. This week I hope. I am real concerned about getting that old fuel out of the system. Hate to have to replace the injectors.

Yuo will have to sooner or later. The earlier injectors tend to break down due to the fuel especiclly if it sits for long peroids of time. If you do not remove the tank you can use a shop vac to get the last of the fuel out of the tank. I used a sandblaster to start. Use a 1/4 in pvc pipe on the end of the hose that picks up sand and put it in the tank. Oh yeah better do it outside and do not smoke. You can disconnect the fuel line at both ends and use air to clean out the line.

Tyler

[TommyL]

Any updates? :-D

[phrogs]

I found the one in the cross member. Can't get it out without tearing it or tearing the front end down!


If you can find the time I would drop the K frame and get it out of there but that would take some time to do.

it is neat to pull it out plus yours is much more important to your car than many others because I can't imagine the one from The museum would be the same as yours from the car!

[Tyler Townsley]

If you can find the time I would drop the K frame and get it out of there but that would take some time to do.

it is neat to pull it out plus yours is much more important to your car than many others because I can't imagine the one from The museum would be the same as yours from the car!

This is a 'production' car so the buikd sheet in the frame will probably be the same as what you see on the one from the NCM. Its the earliest prototype cars that have different comments.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

This is a 'production' car so the buikd sheet in the frame will probably be the same as what you see on the one from the NCM. Its the earliest prototype cars that have different comments.

Tyler

Well as you can see from the one I pulled from the tank there was some additional comments about the Kick in etc and it did give me the build date of 4/19/88. I would pull it, but some other day.

Today's update. Wheels back on. back on the ground. GOing to roll it out and get the gas out of it this week. Picked up my new tow rig today. Landed a Chevy 3500HD. (Crew cab, gas, non dulie) that mutha will tow.

[Tyler Townsley]

Well as you can see from the one I pulled from the tank there was some additional comments about the Kick in etc and it did give me the build date of 4/19/88. I would pull it, but some other day.

Today's update. Wheels back on. back on the ground. GOing to roll it out and get the gas out of it this week. Picked up my new tow rig today. Landed a Chevy 3500HD. (Crew cab, gas, non dulie) that mutha will tow.

I was thinking about the #74 car, you are right about the earliest cars they would have kick in info.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

Daily update.... Well I smell like gas.. Today was drain the tank day. I emptied about 10 gallons of fairly new, but dirty gas out of #004 this afternoon. The fuel line gas was old and smelled it. The tank gas was not to bad. The fuel sender on the other hand is really bad. Will most likely need to source a new part. The Titanic has less rust.

http://www.syreal.com/gasdrain.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/sender.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Found a sender on ebay. Not worth the time it would take to repair the old one.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

The car looks really good, Eric. Can't wait for you to get it running again.

Have fun!

[1989ZR1#74]

The car looks really good, Eric. Can't wait for you to get it running again.

Have fun!

Having fun! Felt good to get the wheels back on. The punch list keeps getting longer though. For every item I cross off 2 get added. I really look forward to the rehab/buff of the blue paint. When I get there I know it will be almost on the trailer to go to the Gathering..

[phrogs]

If got one if you need one the fuel sender take $200 for it.

[1989ZR1#74]

If got one if you need one the fuel sender take $200 for it.
Doh... Johnny thanks for the offer, but I "bought it now" on Ebay before your offer. You would have saved me a few $$. I have to remember the Registry is a good source of parts next time.

[tomtom72]

The car looks really good, Eric. Can't wait for you to get it running again.

Have fun!

yea, really Eric! The paint looks great from 10'....you couldn't have been that much farther away when you took that picture?

I really like the "Corvette" emblem on the back being blacked out. It has a sinister look to it.:thumbsup:
May I see a picture of just that lettering? I may want to try to make one that looks like that.

You should be proud of the work you have dunn on that car!:cheers:

[RICKYRJ1]

Great Job! How much are you going to sell it for when your done? :mrgreen:
Hope to see you and the car in BG :thumbsup:

[1989ZR1#74]

Great Job! How much are you going to sell it for when your done? :mrgreen:
Hope to see you and the car in BG :thumbsup:

I will leave that up to my heirs! (if I am not burried in it...)

[1989ZR1#74]

yea, really Eric! The paint looks great from 10'....you couldn't have been that much farther away when you took that picture?

I really like the "Corvette" emblem on the back being blacked out. It has a sinister look to it.:thumbsup:
May I see a picture of just that lettering? I may want to try to make one that looks like that.

You should be proud of the work you have dunn on that car!:cheers:

Thanks Tom. Your's (and everone else's) response is a motivator

The rear emblem is a later style. It is actually the letters are the very dark blue metallic and the outline is black. hard to tell in low light. I will get a close up for you.

The paint is OK. lots of chips and swirls. There seems to be enough clear to buff out most of the swirls. it is a bit thin on the upper edges of the doors and parts of the hood. I have found a metallic blue that is very close to the color that I will use to touch up the chips with. The car will have to be repainted someday. When it is it will go back to the original DRM.

I have had a lot of fun and I feel good about the progress. I am trying to just get it presentable for BG. I am used to multiyear complete tear down restorations. I have desperately tried to avoid the "while you?re there" disease. I only can spare a couple hours a day to work on it right now. The wheel wells were a challenge for me. I would normally pull all the suspension apart clean and replace all that needed components that need attention and then reassemble.

#004 is getting a sypathetic quick clean and refurbishment without hurting any real patina.

[1989ZR1#74]

Today's update:

Used the shop vac to clean out the remaining dirt/rust from the bottom of the dry gas tank. (hat tip to Tyler for that suggestion) worked great. Had to roll #004 forward in the shop. The 97 S10 Shop truck sprung a leak in the AT cooler. (found AT fluid in the radiator). Started pulling that today. Hopefully the fuel sender will arrive by Monday. I would really like to get that back together.

[1989ZR1#74]

Ive got a new CORVETTE emblem Ill sell for $40 shipped.This is silver with black letters.

Cool thanks. PM me your paypal info.

[1989ZR1#74]

Eric, I apologize for the distraction in your thread.

Jeff, I am not worked up. I have been looking for this part for my Charcoal 1990 for 2 years. I thought we had a deal only to find out out you are offering it to Eric 12 hours after I asked you how you want payment. Put yourself in my shoes, how would you react? Had you said, "I screwed up and forgot to look at the posting on CF" my reaction would have been different.

I don't live on the boards either, look at the technical postings, I pulled the plenum this weekend to find a former resident.

If Eric need this piece for 1989 #004 then I will step aside since I understand the importance of his car.

Otherwise If you want to sell it to me, PM your payment preference to me on either board.

Eric, I apologize again for the distraction, Sorry.

John

It's all good, no problem. The emblem is not on the top of my to do list right now so it can wait. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

[1989ZR1#74]

Well the onion gets peeled. #004 is begining to feel like the TV show LOST. Everytime I think I have an answer, another bigger question gets revealed. While waiting for the fuel sender to arrive, I decided to pull the gauge cluster. Looking closely at the screws that hold the bezel in place, none looked like they had been removed. As I am going for a "Crossed Flags Award" on a 3000 mile 84 I am keen on what to look for. Well these appear to have been never removed. Once the bezel was removed and the radio bezel was removed I began to pull the guages. Well what did I find.... this decal on the top:

http://www.syreal.com/dashcluster004.JPG

I am beginning to think that this Pilot left BG with this cluster. Why would you, years later, replace the 8K gauges with a L98 dash that happens to fit the build date perfectly and oh yeah lets put an "Experimental" one in.

Also found an Ink stamp on the radio bezel that reads "April 15". This fits with the 4/19 build date.

[1989ZR1#74]

25084867 does not match up with any 1988 or 1989 Instrument clusters:

1988:
25083577 was primary 1988 L98 cluster
1989:
25989614 was L98
25089310 was LT5 w/U52
25088848 was L98 w/U52 (that's odd U52 is "electronic" instruments)
25088850 was L98 w/U19 Metric for Canada
25089313 was LT5 w/U19 Metric for Canada

[1989ZR1#74]

Ok, I have checked the build sheets of the 7 89 Pilots, the 1 narrow body 1989 LT5 pilot, the one early L98 89 #521, and ZR-1 #074. In box 84 "Inst Cluster" I have the following entries:

1989 ZR-1 Pilots
#001 LR LJ
#002 LR LJ
#003 LR LJ
#004 LR LJ
#005 LR LJ
#006 LR LJ
#010 LR LJ

1989 Narrow body LT5 Convertable
#033 LR LJ

1989 L98
#521 LR LDL

1989 ZR-1 Production:
#074 71 LDY

What I can gather, the LJ in box 84 is the DIC. The DIC in #004 has a big sticker that reads "LJ". So all 7 Pilots and the Narrow body vert have the LJ DIC. #521 has a different DIC though. LDY, and #074 has LDY. I have shown earlier that #074 definately has a different DIC then #004, I will need to check the DIC on #521 to see what is different from #004.

That leads me to think that the LR must be the instrument cluster itself. The 7 Pilots, the LT5 Vert and the "standard" L98 #521 have the LR code instrument. #074 has 71.

So one theory I have is maybe all of the early pilots had the L98 "Experimental Sample" Dash, but were upgraded to the correct 8000RPM dash when they became available. Since #004 was hidden away at Campbell-Ewald it never recieved the retrofit part. I would be very curious to see what the dash date code is on #003. (I know that would never happen, but I can dream) IF that code was after the 4/20/88 time frame it would support this theory.


Remember the words John Heinricy stated way early in this thread:

"If the car will run and drive with the L98 dash, then I suppose it is possible. What would be the reason? Maybe the correct dash was late to pilot and the customer, Chevrolet advertising, who was notorious for trying to get it's cars sooner because of the lead time for the shots, etc and developing the brochures. One reason why this does not seem reasonable is that these cars would usually be used for both inside and outside photos. There could have been an agreement to supply the parts later and this way they could get their work started. Since these cars were never planned for sale it was not unusual for them to have some wrong parts."

[1989ZR1#74]

Better shot of the sticker:

http://www.syreal.com/dashexpstickersm.JPG

and the internal PROM:

http://www.syreal.com/dashprom.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Fuel sender arrived today. Hopefully I will have it in this afternoon

[1989ZR1#74]

Before:

http://www.syreal.com/oldsender1.JPG

After:

http://www.syreal.com/newsender1.JPG

http://www.syreal.com/newsender2.JPG

Now that I see these. I forgot a clamp. Be back in a minute....

[ZZZZZR1]

Wow what a difference!


:cool:

[1989ZR1#74]

Wow what a difference!


:cool:

One step closer to running! Then off to get the "restored" title inspecection

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Way to go Eric! The good time you're having is really showing. This is what it's all about.=D>

[1989ZR1#74]

Way to go Eric! The good time you're having is really showing. This is what it's all about.=D>


Yes indeed it is a blast. I practically wait outside for the UPS and FedEx drivers every morning. Next I need to put the instrument cluster back in.

Does anyone have the connector pin lists for the 32 pin and 24 pin connectors on an 89 flat panel??? I found a couple online but they are way to small to read.

[-=Jeff=-]

Yes indeed it is a blast. I practically wait outside for the UPS and FedEx drivers every morning. Next I need to put the instrument cluster back in.

Does anyone have the connector pin lists for the 32 pin and 24 pin connectors on an 89 flat panel??? I found a couple online but they are way to small to read.

they the same as an L98? for the cluster right?

[Tyler Townsley]

Yes indeed it is a blast. I practically wait outside for the UPS and FedEx drivers every morning. Next I need to put the instrument cluster back in.

Does anyone have the connector pin lists for the 32 pin and 24 pin connectors on an 89 flat panel??? I found a couple online but they are way to small to read.

I have them somewhere as does George. I will dig around.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

they the same as an L98? for the cluster right?

I think so. Not sure what this one is. I want to test the lights, directionals and high beam indicator.

[1989ZR1#74]

I have them somewhere as does George. I will dig around.

Tyler

Thanks Tyler.

[Corvettes White]

Let me look also. George

[-=Jeff=-]

See if that zip works.. it is all the connections shwon in the 89 GM Manual.

if not email me vettxtc@gmail.com and I will send you the xls

[Corvettes White]

Let me look also. George

Eric. I checked and cannot find the doc. Maybe I never had it. Found the L98 wiring but not the LT-5. Best to you, George

[Z51JEFF]

I just found this on YouTube,kind of interesting to see these early cars rippin around.I saw at least 2 metallic red cars and one dark blue car.If the link doesn't work its Motor Weeks take on the cars at the press introduction in Europe.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mKn4TjqXEk

[Tyler Townsley]

Try these.
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_506.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_507.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_508.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_509.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_510.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_511.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_513.jpg

Tyler

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Good stuff, Tyler. I have a feeling I'm going to need this someday. I may have to pay your way to my place to help start a ZR1 at some point.

[Corvettes White]

Try these.
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_506.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_507.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_508.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_509.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_510.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_511.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/89_p_513.jpg

Tyler

I thought we were looking for the pins on the dash cluster? George :icon_scra

[Corvettes White]

:pray.

Did I miss something? Your sig line lists an '88 Z?

[Tyler Townsley]

I thought we were looking for the pins on the dash cluster? George :icon_scra

We were but I found these in the process and figured they would be usefull somewhere.

Tyler

[Blue Flame Restorations]

:pray

Did I miss something? Your sig line lists an '88 Z?

That's correct, 88 ZR1 EX5023. I sealed the deal on Geoff Jeal's car.

[ZZZZZR1]

That's correct, 88 ZR1 EX5023. I sealed the deal on Geoff Jeal's car.


:thumbsup: Can't wait to see it!!!!!



David

[vettebrett]

He had to keep the big news quite for almost a month. He REALLY wanted to tell

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Eric, does it run yet?????????

[1989ZR1#74]

Not yet, I Will know perhaps today. Looks like I moved over the weekend!

[TommyL]

More pics and if possible a video once you get her running. :thumbsup:

[1989ZR1#74]

Not started starting it yet but did spend some time on the radio and DIC. The date on the radio is 4/5/88. Right inline with what I would expect. The note about "pilot" is neat too. THe only difference I see with the DIC is the low tire pressure lights. Interestingly this ZR-1 was not built with LP sensors. There were no bulbs in the two DIC sockets for the LP warning lights.

http://www.syreal.com/radio1.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/radio2.jpg

[RHanselman]

I'll be in Scottsdale in Mid April. Any chance I can come by and see her?

Cheers,
RH

[1989ZR1#74]

I'll be in Scottsdale in Mid April. Any chance I can come by and see her?

Cheers,
RH

Sure can, as long as I am in town. Send me your email via PM and we will set it up. Eric

[Hammer]

Here's another pic of your car Eric.
http://www.maxchevy.com/events/2009/iv_2-autopsy-10.html

Actually, if you page through the article (forwards and backwards) there's more info on your car as well as more of the cars that were sold at BJ.

[1989ZR1#74]

Here's another pic of your car Eric.
http://www.maxchevy.com/events/2009/iv_2-autopsy-10.html

Actually, if you page through the article (forwards and backwards) there's more info on your car as well as more of the cars that were sold at BJ.

Nice find. I had not seen that article yet. Boy did I want that Alpha bad. They changed the auction time and it ran through Thursday morning first. I misssed it. I will always think that was the one that got away.

[Tyler Townsley]

http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc1/kramer1.jpg

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

Molre good stuff tyler...

Working on all the preliminary pre startup stuff. Pressure tested the cooling system and found a leak:

http://www.syreal.com/dscoolanttubesm.JPG

Need to source a new part.

[Tyler Townsley]

Molre good stuff tyler...

Working on all the preliminary pre startup stuff. Pressure tested the cooling system and found a leak:

http://www.syreal.com/dscoolanttubesm.JPG

Need to source a new part.

Its aluminum and could be fixed if you know some one capable of that kind of work. Should also be plenty of good used ones out there.

Tyler

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Its aluminum and could be fixed if you know some one capable of that kind of work. Should also be plenty of good used ones out there.

Tyler

I can get it fixed here in Pendleton for you.

[1989ZR1#74]

I can get it fixed here in Pendleton for you.

Yeah, I have a guy here that can weld aluminium if I go that route. He fixed a 2X4 intake for me a few years ago. One step closer to running!

[Tyler Townsley]

Yeah, I have a guy here that can weld aluminium if I go that route. He fixed a 2X4 intake for me a few years ago. One step closer to running!

Where is my plane ticket? LOL If you take the plenum off look at the dis module for dates.
Tyler

[TAMMRICH]

Nice article on your car in latest Corvette Market Magazine, they say it was well bought.

[1989ZR1#74]

Nice article on your car in latest Corvette Market Magazine, they say it was well bought.
Yeah I saw that... Made sure the wife saw that too! Have not had time this week to do much so I have not had any updates. Hopefully I can free some time later this week.

[TAMMRICH]

Eric, hopefully you showed her the cover where it says your car was a bargain, thats gotta make you feel good.

[1989ZR1#74]

Got the dash back together. I am tracking down the reason why some of gauges read "Err" It seams that the orange serial data line from the ECM is cut or open. The Tech 1 and my other scan tools can't communicate with the ECM either. The orange serial line was in the wrong ALDL socket location. I moved it to the same location it is in #074, but still no data. The ECM is alive, I can read codes in the Field Service Mode. I can hear the clock ticking now for the Gathering so things may start to happen much faster.

[phrogs]

I think I'm gonna move back to Michigan, They get $.10 a returned beverage container/can. Won't take long for me to get a real ZR-1 at that rate. Heck may hold out for an 09 ZR1.


only way to make a proffit is if you walked along the road and picked up the ones people throw out of their cars, usually beer cans and bottles.

you remember that when you purchase any drink can or bottle here you PAY that .10 its incentive to return it for YOUR money back. isnt that some ****

[1989ZR1#74]

OK.... Well the journey to first start continues. Today I found out why the Dash reads "Err" after chasing the serial data wire to the ALDL line I determined the ECM is bad. Tried #004's ECM in #074 and it did the same thing. #004 has a reconditioned 1228331 AUAH ECM. Tried #074's ECM in #004 and now I see data and the gauges seem to work. Now as I move down my check list I discovered this:

http://www.syreal.com/missing.jpg

[Ccmano]

Do I get a prize if I say, vacuum pump....:mrgreen:
H
:cheers:

[Tyler Townsley]

Do I get a prize if I say, vacuum pump....:mrgreen:
H
:cheers:

You would be wrong. Probably did not have a pump, Queenie does not have one.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

You would be wrong. Probably did not have a pump, Queenie does not have one.

Tyler

Your both right. The vacuum pump is missing and it appears that it never had one. So where does the vacuum to drive the secondaries come from?

[RHanselman]

Your both right. The vacuum pump is missing and it appears that it never had one. So where does the vacuum to drive the secondaries come from?

Maybe the engine...

My training dates in Scottsdale are 3-8 May. I'm going to try and make it by, my Simulators are not until 5 pm so hopefully you are around during the day...

[1989ZR1#74]

Maybe the engine...

My training dates in Scottsdale are 3-8 May. I'm going to try and make it by, my Simulators are not until 5 pm so hopefully you are around during the day...

Ron, I should be here gearing up for the drive to Bowling Green. Day time works, my cars are at my office so I mix work and play!

[tccrab]

Your both right. The vacuum pump is missing and it appears that it never had one. So where does the vacuum to drive the secondaries come from?

In Heart of the Beast is says that the vacuum pump was added to supplement the engines vacuum when the engine was run at high rpms for extended periods of time.

TomC
'Crabs

[1989ZR1#74]

In Heart of the Beast is says that the vacuum pump was added to supplement the engines vacuum when the engine was run at high rpms for extended periods of time.

TomC
'Crabs

Thanks Tom. I guess that happened before #074 and after #004..

[1989ZR1#74]

Well #074's ECM seems to have cured the dash problem:

http://www.syreal.com/dashworks.JPG

Now should I try to start it???

[Corvettes White]

Well #074's ECM seems to have cured the dash problem:

http://www.syreal.com/dashworks.JPG

Now should I try to start it???


YES!

[PhillipsLT5]

Looking Good

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Start that thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tyler Townsley]

Well #074's ECM seems to have cured the dash problem:

http://www.syreal.com/dashworks.JPG

Now should I try to start it???

In the future you may need a 88-89 ecm if you want to run it past the 154 deg warmup peroid, either that or hard wire (or make sure it is controlled by the oil pressure) in the primary fuel pump. In a 90 and later once the motor gets warm it shuts off the secondary pump and the ecm controls the primary pump shuting it off when it sees no rpm. Again the tach signal and dis out lines are different between the 88-89 and 90s so if that was a 90+ in the car and it was wired as an 89 it may have fried the ecm.

Tyler

[Tyler Townsley]

Well #074's ECM seems to have cured the dash problem:

http://www.syreal.com/dashworks.JPG

Now should I try to start it???

NO! Pull all the plug wires and lay them on the plenum with pulgs in them. Crank the car and watch the spark rythem and see if it matches the #074, you could also put a scope on the dis output. I know its more work but I would pull the plenum and pull the injector rails up so you can watch the injectors, turn the pumps on and see if you have injectors that are acting right. You can make a pigtale to ground each injector or you can crank and watch the spray pattern. I would remove the spark plugs first.

Refrences:
See 16 for waveform.
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page09.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page11.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page12.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page13.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page14.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page15.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page16.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page17.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page18.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page19.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page20.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page21a.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page22.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page23.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page24.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page25.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page25a.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page26.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page27a.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page28.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page29.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page29b.jpg
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/page30.jpg


Tyler

[-=Jeff=-]

I agree with Tyler, test it before you actual light it up

[1989ZR1#74]

Tyler, I ran a probe camera under the plenum and found a sticker on the DIS. It is a Motorola Enginnering unit, so I would guess it's not a 90+:

http://www.syreal.com/motorola.jpg

While checking the wiring for the gauges I see that someone has wired the fuel pump differently. The fuel pump does turn on and presurize the rails. I found that out after I swapped the sending unit. I am tempted to turn it over, but will wait a little while longer...

[Tyler Townsley]

Tyler, I ran a probe camera under the plenum and found a sticker on the DIS. It is a Motorola Enginnering unit, so I would guess it's not a 90+:

http://www.syreal.com/motorola.jpg

While checking the wiring for the gauges I see that someone has wired the fuel pump differently. The fuel pump does turn on and presurize the rails. I found that out after I swapped the sending unit. I am tempted to turn it over, but will wait a little while longer...

How small is the prob camera? Will if fit down the spark plug hole? The reason I mention the injectors is because they can flood a cyl and cause hydrolock or fill the pan with gas in a hurry and cause real problems on start.

Tyler

[LGAFF]

Look at notes from Bob HDZ, he has a active suspension car and it has the same DIS.

[1989ZR1#74]

How small is the prob camera? Will if fit down the spark plug hole? The reason I mention the injectors is because they can flood a cyl and cause hydrolock or fill the pan with gas in a hurry and cause real problems on start.

Tyler


Camera is not that small, but the fuel rail keeps pressure for a long time. I have checked and rechecked the oil and there is no sign of fuel in sump.

[phrogs]

Any updates?

[1989ZR1#74]

Well I am towing it up to the MVD on Wednesday to get a title inspection. Have not done much in the last week. Had to put a new fuel pump in my 63 so that distracted me.

[Corvettes White]

Let us know if it goes as planned. George

[1989ZR1#74]

All loaded up. I have a 9:00AM AZ time appointment. If all goes well #004 will be registered tomorrow:

http://www.syreal.com/titletow.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Today is a good day:

http://www.syreal.com/license004.JPG

Got around having to have it run for emissions by getting an exemption with collector car insurance. It now has a restored/salvage title. Completeley legal to drive on the street!!!!!!! :occasion1

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Congrats, Eric!!!!!!!:cheers:

[phrogs]

Sweet! :cheers:

Today is a good day:

Got around having to have it run for emissions by getting an exemption with collector car insurance. It now has a restored/salvage title. Completeley legal to drive on the street!!!!!!! :occasion1

[jrd1990zr1]

Congratulations!!!! :dancing

Can't wait to see it in BG! :cheers:

[ZZZZZR1]

Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!


:cool:

[1989ZR1#74]

Today I am buffing out the paint to make it somewhat more attractive.

[1989ZR1#74]

Today we put new tires on the trailer and had the bearings repacked. put a coat of wax on and buttoned up a few loose ends. very close now. The excitement builds...

[Tyler Townsley]

Today we put new tires on the trailer and had the bearings repacked. put a coat of wax on and buttoned up a few loose ends. very close now. The excitement builds...

You mean THIS car has been rescued?
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/ZR0403S.JPG
I always thought it shoud be 'finders keepers', but I would have to buy a 2 car trailer.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

You mean THIS car has been rescued?
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/ZR0403S.JPG
I always thought it shoud be 'finders keepers', but I would have to buy a 2 car trailer.

Tyler


Depends on what rescued means! I guess you will just have to wait until the Gathering to find out! (or maybe I'm lucky my trailer has a winch....)

[1989ZR1#74]

Depends on what rescued means! I guess you will just have to wait until the Gathering to find out! (or maybe I'm lucky my trailer has a winch....)


There is currently an information embargo on #004 until 5/13/2010.

[1989ZR1#74]

For those that missed the Gathering. #004 now runs!! The source of the problem is the VATS module. I had it running before I went to the gathering. Had a lot of fun. I have not learned much more but I have been contacted by the school and hope to persue that soon. Eric