Canceling the front sway bar! - ZR-1 Net Registry Forums

10-07-2008

So guys,What do you think Cancelling the front Sway Bar?
any one did that? what side effect..?

tomtom72 · 10-08-2008

I could be dead wrong about this "generalization"....but uaually on a front engine/rear drive chassis if you disconnect the end links on the front bar you will end up with more over steer in general, and if you are on the power & turning in to a corner, you will have "power on over steer" ...... usually the front end wants to wash out to the outside of the corner unless you put a good deal of opposite 'lock' into the front wheels, I think......if you have ever watched dirt track oval racing you will see a good example of power on over steer.

karterdon · 10-09-2008

If I may Ask??? Why do you want to disconnect the sway bar??? Are you not happy with the corner handling ??

jonszr1 · 10-10-2008

he might be wanting to disconnect it to go drag racing . do this really can free up front end lift off the line hence increased traction

tccrab · 10-10-2008

Yup.
It's an old drag racing trick.
My old '67 Camaro had no sway bar and 90/10 shocks up front.
The front end lifts to the sky at initial hammer drop and slowly goes back to level about halfway down the track. If set up correctly, this trick can make some nice improvement in the 60' times.
You wouldn't want to drive a car like this on the street.
The first time you fed any throttle at all into a corner you'd be buying a new car.

Hadi, it's not something you should even think about doing to your 'Vette.

TomC
"Crabs"

10-10-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by karterdon

If I may Ask??? Why do you want to disconnect the sway bar??? Are you not happy with the corner handling ??

BTW The earlier 991 havent got saw bars from factory!
and this is not why i want to cancel it, buddy.

but I have spring rate 500 lbs (front) ,so i am not in lean ,and my car is lowered, so there will not be much force in cornering,
hence i feel The front sway bar is Rabish!

I need more opinions on this trick. thanks.
I will take the Z for test when i done with it.

10-10-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by tccrab

' King of The
Hadi, it's not something you should even think about doing to your 'Vette.
'
TomC
"Crabs"

Tom , i havent "vette"

,....... I have "KOTH".

10-10-2008

I post this from other forum member just for Info. exchange!

It's my understanding that front anti-sway bars actaully contribute to understeer. They force you to back off on the speed in a turn before you are actually out of lateral grip. It makes the car "safer" for less experienced drivers, which is why most cars come with them, but they don't actually improve handling beyond a certain point.

I learned a lot of what I know from a VW/Audi/Porsche suspension expert up in MA (Dick Shine) and he doesn't include front sway bars in any of the custom suspension systems he built. He usually recommends leaving the stock bar, definitely NOT a thicker front bar. He suggests removing the front bar altogther in some cases for experienced drivers.

cuisinartvette · 10-11-2008

Just leave it on.

bldavis11 · 10-11-2008

Agreed. You've yet to say what you're trying to fix!

10-07-2008	#1
HADI-ZR1 Guest Posts: n/a	Canceling the front sway bar! So guys,What do you think Cancelling the front Sway Bar? any one did that? what side effect..? Last edited by HADI-ZR1; 10-08-2008 at 12:00 AM.

10-08-2008	#2
tomtom72 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Jacksonville, FL USA Posts: 4,609	Re: Canceling the front sway bar! I could be dead wrong about this "generalization"....but uaually on a front engine/rear drive chassis if you disconnect the end links on the front bar you will end up with more over steer in general, and if you are on the power & turning in to a corner, you will have "power on over steer" ...... usually the front end wants to wash out to the outside of the corner unless you put a good deal of opposite 'lock' into the front wheels, I think......if you have ever watched dirt track oval racing you will see a good example of power on over steer. __________________ 1990 ZR-1, Black/grey, #2233, stock. ZR-1 Net Reg Founding Member #316 & NCM member

10-09-2008	#3
karterdon Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Antioch, Illinois Posts: 129	Re: Canceling the front sway bar! If I may Ask??? Why do you want to disconnect the sway bar??? Are you not happy with the corner handling ??

10-10-2008	#4
jonszr1 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: lone pine and mammoth lakes Posts: 1,406	Re: Canceling the front sway bar! he might be wanting to disconnect it to go drag racing . do this really can free up front end lift off the line hence increased traction

10-10-2008	#5
tccrab Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Folsom CA Posts: 1,657	Re: Canceling the front sway bar! Yup. It's an old drag racing trick. My old '67 Camaro had no sway bar and 90/10 shocks up front. The front end lifts to the sky at initial hammer drop and slowly goes back to level about halfway down the track. If set up correctly, this trick can make some nice improvement in the 60' times. You wouldn't want to drive a car like this on the street. The first time you fed any throttle at all into a corner you'd be buying a new car. Hadi, it's not something you should even think about doing to your 'Vette. TomC "Crabs"

10-11-2008	#9
cuisinartvette Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Fernando Valley, CA. Posts: 896	Re: Canceling the front sway bar! Just leave it on.

10-11-2008	#10
bldavis11 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portsmouth, VA Posts: 245	Re: Canceling the front sway bar! Agreed. You've yet to say what you're trying to fix!