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RHSZR1 · 09-16-2006

Took my 91 in for its emissions test today and to my surprise it failed. Problem is with high NOx on driving test, all other tests are O.K. Took the car to Vette dealer and had them check her over - cat's are O.K. and no problem with the O2 sensor, they flushed the injectors and then had it tested again - no improvement.

Car is pretty much stock, only use Mobil 1 and Sunoco 94 and it passed with flying colors last year. The Vette dealer wants me to drive her hard this weekend and then bring it back on Monday and they will test it again.

Any suggestions as to what I could do to improve my chances, or ideas as to what else I should check?

Ron

Hotrod · 09-16-2006

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Originally Posted by RHSZR1

Took my 91 in for its emissions test today and to my surprise it failed. Problem is with high NOx on driving test, all other tests are O.K. Took the car to Vette dealer and had them check her over - cat's are O.K. and no problem with the O2 sensor, they flushed the injectors and then had it tested again - no improvement.

Car is pretty much stock, only use Mobil 1 and Sunoco 94 and it passed with flying colors last year. The Vette dealer wants me to drive her hard this weekend and then bring it back on Monday and they will test it again.

Any suggestions as to what I could do to improve my chances, or ideas as to what else I should check?

Ron

Ron... FYI, the 91 does not have an EGR valve which cools the combustion to lower the NOx emissions. I would check that the car is meeting the GM spec for it's model year ( that's the best the car will do). Lots of states keep lowering the NOx levels to points where some cars can no longer meet the new levels (never designed or built to meet these levels). Check that your state hasn't lowered the level since your last smog test.

Z Factor · 09-16-2006

Hello and welcome to the forum.

Actually there is some truth in what the dealership said in so far as getting on it. How often do you really open it up?

RHSZR1 · 09-16-2006

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

Ron... FYI, the 91 does not have an EGR valve which cools the combustion to lower the NOx emissions. I would check that the car is meeting the GM spec for it's model year ( that's the best the car will do). Lots of states keep lowering the NOx levels to points where some cars can no longer meet the new levels (never designed or built to meet these levels). Check that your state hasn't lowered the level since your last smog test.

Thank you for the info, I am located in London Ontario Canada, I will find out if the specs have been changed. I asked the technician if there was any possibility of incorrect info being entered into the Dyno when they did the test? He told me that they can't do that as they enter the vehicles VIN # and everything is automaticaly set from that. Two different shops did the back to back tests and they both had similar results.

The dealer flushed the injectors after the 1st test and took her for a run, they then had it retested at another shop, results were actually a bit worse after the injector flush. They feel that this may not be too much of a surprise and want me to drive her hard this weekend and they will retest on Monday.

The car is mostly stock - Borla exhaust system and an aftermarket chip - but I can't remember whose chip, I would have to take a look. The car had this chip last year though and it wasn't a problem.

Ron

RHSZR1 · 09-16-2006

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Originally Posted by Z Factor

Hello and welcome to the forum.

Actually there is some truth in what the dealership said in so far as getting on it. How often do you really open it up?

I try to open her up whenever I can, i.e. most times that I take her out. I don't put a lot of miles on her, but probably 2 - 3 thousand per summer. The car has about 19K on it.

Ron

Ccmano · 09-16-2006

Take the aftermarket chip out....If it's a "piggyback" board design simply remove the original chip from the board and reinstall. Obviously if it's a replacement chip you'll have to reinstall the original (if you have it) Had similar situation recently (although mine was HC related not Nox) replaced the chip and it passed.

NOx is the result of high combustion chamber temps. ZR-1 tuners typically lean out the mixture 3 to 5 % (rather than enrichen like on regular V8's) This results is higher combustion temps and higher NOx in non-egr cars like ours.

It is also possible you have carbon build up behind the intake valves and in the combustion chamber (a common issue on low mileage older cars) The carbon absorbs fuel (especially at startup, causing hard starting) and leans out the mixture again causing those high combustion chamber temps. This is why "driving the crap out of it" is recommended. It simply blows the carbon out. I've have success with "Techron" and "SeaFoam" additives in removing carbon. I'm not going to recommend the "direct" method but a large bottle of either in a quarter tank of gas and some aggressive driving can work wonders.

Good luck...

Hans

RHSZR1 · 09-16-2006

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Originally Posted by Ccmano

Take the aftermarket chip out....If it's a "piggyback" board design simply remove the original chip from the board and reinstall. Obviously if it's a replacement chip you'll have to reinstall the original (if you have it) Had similar situation recently (although mine was HC related not Nox) replaced the chip and it passed.

NOx is the result of high combustion chamber temps. ZR-1 tuners typically lean out the mixture 3 to 5 % (rather than enrichen like on regular V8's) This results is higher combustion temps and higher NOx in non-egr cars like ours.

It is also possible you have carbon build up behind the intake valves and in the combustion chamber (a common issue on low mileage older cars) The carbon absorbs fuel (especially at startup, causing hard starting) and leans out the mixture again causing those high combustion chamber temps. This is why "driving the crap out of it" is recommended. It simply blows the carbon out. I've have success with "Techron" and "SeaFoam" additives in removing carbon. I'm not going to recommend the "direct" method but a large bottle of either in a quarter tank of gas and some aggressive driving can work wonders.

Good luck...

Hans

Hans,

Thank you for the info! I took the car for a drive today and let her go several times - hopefully this will help. Looked at some of the additives that are available that claim to "guarantee" you will pass the emissions test, but I am not crazy about using that stuff - sounds like snake oil to me. I am going to take a look at the chip and if as you state it is a piggy back style, I will install the stock chip and see what happens.

If I need a stock chip, any idea of how difficult that will be to get?

Thanks,

Ron

Ccmano · 09-17-2006

I highly recommend the the Techron it works well and is a Chevron product.

As for the chip, ask around on the forum and over at the CF ZR-1 forum, someone will have one...I'd let you borrow mine but mines a 90'. They are specific to the model year.

Hans

jonszr1 · 09-17-2006

Getting a stock chip is easy . I paid 35$ at my local dealer . you even get the most updated chip for your year

John Boothby · 09-17-2006

When I bought my 1990, I had it smogged and it failed. The guy I bought it from said that it had never failed a smog test. When I got home, I noticed that the power key was on "FULL POWER". I returned the next day, turned the power key to "NORMAL" and it passed with flying colors. I posted this before, and some folks have stated that it should pass either way, and that I may have other issues. However, my car runs fine and everything checks out fine. Just thought I would pass this along. By the way, my car has 69.5K.

09-16-2006	#1
RHSZR1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thorndale, Ontario Canada Posts: 6	Failed emissions test Took my 91 in for its emissions test today and to my surprise it failed. Problem is with high NOx on driving test, all other tests are O.K. Took the car to Vette dealer and had them check her over - cat's are O.K. and no problem with the O2 sensor, they flushed the injectors and then had it tested again - no improvement. Car is pretty much stock, only use Mobil 1 and Sunoco 94 and it passed with flying colors last year. The Vette dealer wants me to drive her hard this weekend and then bring it back on Monday and they will test it again. Any suggestions as to what I could do to improve my chances, or ideas as to what else I should check? Ron

09-16-2006	#3
Z Factor Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: S. Florida Posts: 2,667	Re: Failed emissions test Hello and welcome to the forum. Actually there is some truth in what the dealership said in so far as getting on it. How often do you really open it up?

09-16-2006	#6
Ccmano Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sparks, NV Posts: 2,852	Re: Failed emissions test Take the aftermarket chip out....If it's a "piggyback" board design simply remove the original chip from the board and reinstall. Obviously if it's a replacement chip you'll have to reinstall the original (if you have it) Had similar situation recently (although mine was HC related not Nox) replaced the chip and it passed. NOx is the result of high combustion chamber temps. ZR-1 tuners typically lean out the mixture 3 to 5 % (rather than enrichen like on regular V8's) This results is higher combustion temps and higher NOx in non-egr cars like ours. It is also possible you have carbon build up behind the intake valves and in the combustion chamber (a common issue on low mileage older cars) The carbon absorbs fuel (especially at startup, causing hard starting) and leans out the mixture again causing those high combustion chamber temps. This is why "driving the crap out of it" is recommended. It simply blows the carbon out. I've have success with "Techron" and "SeaFoam" additives in removing carbon. I'm not going to recommend the "direct" method but a large bottle of either in a quarter tank of gas and some aggressive driving can work wonders. Good luck... Hans __________________ 90'ZR-1 #1461 Red/Black Ported Intake, Degreed Cams, OBX Headers & Exhaust, Fidanza FW, Secondary Delete, Custom tune, C6 GS Wheels. Sold 08 C6 Z51 Crystal Red Metallic Sold Vararam Intake, Tune, Sold 05 C6 Z51 Red/Black Sold 90'ZR-1 #1723 Black/Gray Sold but not forgotten 91' Z51 L98 White Vert. My First, you always remember your first. Sold. Last edited by Ccmano; 09-16-2006 at 11:39 AM.

09-17-2006	#8
Ccmano Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sparks, NV Posts: 2,852	Re: Failed emissions test I highly recommend the the Techron it works well and is a Chevron product. As for the chip, ask around on the forum and over at the CF ZR-1 forum, someone will have one...I'd let you borrow mine but mines a 90'. They are specific to the model year. Hans __________________ 90'ZR-1 #1461 Red/Black Ported Intake, Degreed Cams, OBX Headers & Exhaust, Fidanza FW, Secondary Delete, Custom tune, C6 GS Wheels. Sold 08 C6 Z51 Crystal Red Metallic Sold Vararam Intake, Tune, Sold 05 C6 Z51 Red/Black Sold 90'ZR-1 #1723 Black/Gray Sold but not forgotten 91' Z51 L98 White Vert. My First, you always remember your first. Sold.

09-17-2006	#9
jonszr1 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: lone pine and mammoth lakes Posts: 1,407	Re: Failed emissions test Getting a stock chip is easy . I paid 35$ at my local dealer . you even get the most updated chip for your year

09-17-2006	#10
John Boothby Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 777	Re: Failed emissions test When I bought my 1990, I had it smogged and it failed. The guy I bought it from said that it had never failed a smog test. When I got home, I noticed that the power key was on "FULL POWER". I returned the next day, turned the power key to "NORMAL" and it passed with flying colors. I posted this before, and some folks have stated that it should pass either way, and that I may have other issues. However, my car runs fine and everything checks out fine. Just thought I would pass this along. By the way, my car has 69.5K. __________________ JB 1990 #148 Red/Saddle Haibeck AYBKG5 Chip/RC Engineering/Flowmasters/K&N/Samco/Fuzzy Dice :cheers: