F1 'stickiness' (or lack thereof...) - ZR-1 Net Registry Forums

Schrade · 04-05-2013

I got new F1's, and the rears broke loose the other day. Kinda' surprised me here. Hammer was NOT to the floor, and blacktop was dry. THen later, I saw hardly any markings on the road.

This happen to anyone else with this model rubber on the corners? Is F1 a 'hard' rubber?

BigJohn · 04-05-2013

Cold pavement and cold tires no sticky!!!

Paul Workman · 04-05-2013

If you're referring to the GY F1-GS-D3s, like Big John said, "no sticky".

I've had them for about 5 years now, and I find that much below 40 degrees they're pretty pathetic. And, it gets worse as temps drop from there, I find.

p.

PhillipsLT5 · 04-05-2013

Date code on tire?

Schrade · 04-05-2013

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Originally Posted by PhillipsLT5

Date code on tire?

This a date code?
T312617 GP400A (different on fronts - they had to be ordered)

M63C 6FHR

Did I get 'old' tires???

ZR1North · 04-05-2013

Interesting! I have the same observation/complaint. I take the point that the warmer the pavement and tire, the better; but I expected better from such an expensive tire.

Last October on a cool dry afternoon, I accelerated hard in 2nd to activate the secondaries as I had done at least 25 times before in the same location (on a up-hill grade) and much to my surprise, the back end broke loose - unlike the previous 20+ times when I did it with cheap Sumis on - often under the same temperature conditions. $4,500 later with new wheels and many rear suspepension parts, I am finally undoing the damage from that fateful October afternoon.

WIth less than 200 miles on the F1s, I'll keep them and hope I am happier at the end of the summer. At the moment though, I am not impressed!!!!

GOLDCYLON · 04-05-2013

All I can say is sticking em in AZ is not a problem. I love em

BigJohn · 04-05-2013

P ZERO AND MISHY'S NO STICKY WHEN COLD!!!

Blownrunner · 04-05-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZR1North

Interesting! I have the same observation/complaint. I take the point that the warmer the pavement and tire, the better; but I expected better from such an expensive tire.

Last October on a cool dry afternoon, I accelerated hard in 2nd to activate the secondaries as I had done at least 25 times before in the same location (on a up-hill grade) and much to my surprise, the back end broke loose - unlike the previous 20+ times when I did it with cheap Sumis on - often under the same temperature conditions. $4,500 later with new wheels and many rear suspepension parts, I am finally undoing the damage from that fateful October afternoon.

WIth less than 200 miles on the F1s, I'll keep them and hope I am happier at the end of the summer. At the moment though, I am not impressed!!!!

Did you damage something?

Schrade · 04-06-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZR1North

Interesting! I have the same observation/complaint. I take the point that the warmer the pavement and tire, the better; but I expected better from such an expensive tire.

Last October on a cool dry afternoon, I accelerated hard in 2nd to activate the secondaries as I had done at least 25 times before in the same location (on a up-hill grade) and much to my surprise, the back end broke loose - unlike the previous 20+ times when I did it with cheap Sumis on - often under the same temperature conditions. $4,500 later with new wheels and many rear suspepension parts, I am finally undoing the damage from that fateful October afternoon.

WIth less than 200 miles on the F1s, I'll keep them and hope I am happier at the end of the summer. At the moment though, I am not impressed!!!!

I had 315 Sumis on an LT1, and they were hard to break straight.. Granted, only an LT1 2,73, but it was tight - with a good burn... They held, and would still chirp 3rd.

The F1's didn't even sound off when they broke...

You hit the curb there ZR1North?

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BigJohn Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ledyard,CT Posts: 8,251	Re: F1 'stickiness' (or lack thereof...) Cold pavement and cold tires no sticky!!!

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Paul Workman Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Squires (near Ava MO in the Mark Twain N'tl Forest) - Missouri Posts: 6,493	Re: F1 'stickiness' (or lack thereof...) If you're referring to the GY F1-GS-D3s, like Big John said, "no sticky". I've had them for about 5 years now, and I find that much below 40 degrees they're pretty pathetic. And, it gets worse as temps drop from there, I find. p. __________________ Good carz, good food, good friendz = the best of timez! 90 #1202 "FBI" top end ported & relieved Cam timing by "Pete the Greek" Sans secondaries Chip & dyno tuning by Haibeck Automotive SW headers, X-pipe, MF muffs Former Secretary, ZR-1 Net Registry

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PhillipsLT5 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 2,452	Re: F1 'stickiness' (or lack thereof...) Date code on tire?

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ZR1North Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Komoka, Ontario, Canada Posts: 588	Re: F1 'stickiness' (or lack thereof...) Interesting! I have the same observation/complaint. I take the point that the warmer the pavement and tire, the better; but I expected better from such an expensive tire. Last October on a cool dry afternoon, I accelerated hard in 2nd to activate the secondaries as I had done at least 25 times before in the same location (on a up-hill grade) and much to my surprise, the back end broke loose - unlike the previous 20+ times when I did it with cheap Sumis on - often under the same temperature conditions. $4,500 later with new wheels and many rear suspepension parts, I am finally undoing the damage from that fateful October afternoon. WIth less than 200 miles on the F1s, I'll keep them and hope I am happier at the end of the summer. At the moment though, I am not impressed!!!!

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