Tuning WAZOO Style, proposed group buy - ZR-1 Net Registry Forums

rkreigh · 09-11-2013

Phil, Yun and I were talking about ZR-1 Tuning. Mark Horner had bought up all the goodies needed (road runner, tuner cat, chip burner).

this stuff isn't cheap but if we pool our resources and buy the stuff, it would work out to less than the price of a chip.

interested? we have a lot of cars local and I'm going to take the plunge and learn how to tune.

if you all would like to pursue this I can price out the equipment needed and see who is interested.

anyone who kicks in gets the ability to tune their car until DONE and retune anytime a mod is made

hope you all are interested

we're also looking into the Megasquirt deal as the ULTIMATE tuning tool.

I'm getting a Haltech engine management system installed on my C5 TT this fall and I'm going to invest in the learning curve on tuning.

the tune on the LSV is good, but can get better, and I want to play around with E85 and turbo the car down the road, so time is NOW to learn how to DIY

RedSled · 09-11-2013

Yes. Would consider.

QB93Z · 09-12-2013

I am interested in participating.

Good idea Ron.

Jim

Scrrem · 09-12-2013

Count me in Ron!!

I'm stupid when it come to this stuff but to do a "Proper" tune, don't you need a dyno?
Rich

alnukem · 09-12-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedSled

Yes. Would consider.

Same Here!

rkreigh · 09-13-2013

dyno tuning is very handy for WOT as it's safer than on the street

but certainly you can go to the drag strip and log WOT with a wide band and get a good strong pull

WOT actually is the easy part, the part throttle and "transitions" take alot of logging and street driving to log all the load scenarios on the engine

a wide band sensor with logging capability combined with a lap top capturing the data stream from the ECM/sesnors to analyze is really all you need

like any high speed driving, not getting busted is key to having fun and the dyno allows you to hold 4th gear WOT and see what the A/F ratio is doing

doing this on the street can bring you some new bracelets and friends (expensive ones)

Kevin · 09-13-2013

is it possible to tune around town driving on the dyno? I'm not up on how dynos work other then WOT, witchcraft happens, and you get a hp number. is it possible to do part throttle tuning on the dyno?

Jagdpanzer · 09-13-2013

Depends on the type of dyno. For driving around tune you need one the can do steady state loading

dredgeguy · 09-13-2013

Count me in Phil, great idea

rkreigh · 09-14-2013

now come the hard part, become a tuning Zen master

time to start researching tuning tips and the software and data collection

I have the GM EASE software to kick into the party, but I need to get it loaded on a new laptop and the B@ST@RDS use a 3.5 floppy disk to store the install key - NICE!!!

gotta call them. I do have it installed on an old laptop but the battery is pretty shot and it's starting to get pretty gimpy.

so now we have to define and price the "package"

like to use the Moates romulator so we can "tune and load" on the fly to evalauate the change.

a good solid Wideband 02 with logging capability

and obviously tuner cat and the chip burner

I need to pick the brains of both mark h's (Haibeck and Horner)

both have bought all the goodies and can likely recommend the best sources.

we might even be able to talk marc into doing a tuning DVD like he did for the plenum pull

another concept is "mail order tune" as well all learn more, we can do the data stream collection, ship the info to Marc and have him do the base tune (which allows us to benefit of MANY years of tuning) and then just do the small "tweaks" to fine tune and zero in based on driving style and further refinement

I really value marc's expertise and don't want to "take business away" but the reality is that it's hard to get these cars to chicago economically

marc really helped me understand some of the challenges involved, and it's time consuming but very interesting and fun!!

lets keep the thread alive and see where this goes. it's exciting stuff

09-11-2013	#1
rkreigh Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alex VA Posts: 1,080	Tuning WAZOO Style, proposed group buy Phil, Yun and I were talking about ZR-1 Tuning. Mark Horner had bought up all the goodies needed (road runner, tuner cat, chip burner). this stuff isn't cheap but if we pool our resources and buy the stuff, it would work out to less than the price of a chip. interested? we have a lot of cars local and I'm going to take the plunge and learn how to tune. if you all would like to pursue this I can price out the equipment needed and see who is interested. anyone who kicks in gets the ability to tune their car until DONE and retune anytime a mod is made hope you all are interested we're also looking into the Megasquirt deal as the ULTIMATE tuning tool. I'm getting a Haltech engine management system installed on my C5 TT this fall and I'm going to invest in the learning curve on tuning. the tune on the LSV is good, but can get better, and I want to play around with E85 and turbo the car down the road, so time is NOW to learn how to DIY

09-11-2013	#2
RedSled Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Germantown, Maryland Posts: 522	Re: Tuning WAZOO Style, proposed group buy Yes. Would consider.

09-12-2013	#3
QB93Z Join Date: May 2007 Location: Westminster, Maryland Posts: 3,684	Re: Tuning WAZOO Style, proposed group buy I am interested in participating. Good idea Ron. Jim

09-12-2013	#4
Scrrem Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alexandria, Virginia Posts: 1,453	Re: Tuning WAZOO Style, proposed group buy Count me in Ron!! I'm stupid when it come to this stuff but to do a "Proper" tune, don't you need a dyno? Rich __________________ 1990 Bright Red Coupe #608 380 Stroker, Ported Heads/Intake/Housings/TB Haibeck Secondary Delete Chip / Pete's Cams George Braml Intake / FIC Injectors Coated SW Headers / Corsa Bill Boudreau B/B ZF6 / Viper 4.10 gears Ron Davis Radiator Pioneer AVIC-Z140BH NAV Fikse FM5's 285 / 335 / C6 Brakes WAZOO Member

09-13-2013	#6
rkreigh Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alex VA Posts: 1,080	Re: Tuning WAZOO Style, proposed group buy dyno tuning is very handy for WOT as it's safer than on the street but certainly you can go to the drag strip and log WOT with a wide band and get a good strong pull WOT actually is the easy part, the part throttle and "transitions" take alot of logging and street driving to log all the load scenarios on the engine a wide band sensor with logging capability combined with a lap top capturing the data stream from the ECM/sesnors to analyze is really all you need like any high speed driving, not getting busted is key to having fun and the dyno allows you to hold 4th gear WOT and see what the A/F ratio is doing doing this on the street can bring you some new bracelets and friends (expensive ones)

09-13-2013	#7
Kevin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: pittsburgh Posts: 4,624	Re: Tuning WAZOO Style, proposed group buy is it possible to tune around town driving on the dyno? I'm not up on how dynos work other then WOT, witchcraft happens, and you get a hp number. is it possible to do part throttle tuning on the dyno? __________________ It's not the car, it's the people - Doug Johnson 90 r/r "KEYS ON" nick named "T.L.B"

09-13-2013	#8
Jagdpanzer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,649	Re: Tuning WAZOO Style, proposed group buy Depends on the type of dyno. For driving around tune you need one the can do steady state loading __________________ Phil Wasinger 1994 Torch Red ZR-1 WAZOO Member George Braml Intake

09-13-2013	#9
dredgeguy Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Ellicott City, MD Posts: 1,719	Re: Tuning WAZOO Style, proposed group buy Count me in Phil, great idea __________________ Charlie __________ Dredgeguy WAZOO Member 1992 Bright Red/Black ZR1 #246 Dana 4:10 gears Polished LT5 by Haibeck Polished Fikse FM5's with Michelin Pilot Sport 2 Stainless Works headers and cats with Corsa

09-14-2013	#10
rkreigh Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alex VA Posts: 1,080	Re: Tuning WAZOO Style, proposed group buy now come the hard part, become a tuning Zen master time to start researching tuning tips and the software and data collection I have the GM EASE software to kick into the party, but I need to get it loaded on a new laptop and the B@ST@RDS use a 3.5 floppy disk to store the install key - NICE!!! gotta call them. I do have it installed on an old laptop but the battery is pretty shot and it's starting to get pretty gimpy. so now we have to define and price the "package" like to use the Moates romulator so we can "tune and load" on the fly to evalauate the change. a good solid Wideband 02 with logging capability and obviously tuner cat and the chip burner I need to pick the brains of both mark h's (Haibeck and Horner) both have bought all the goodies and can likely recommend the best sources. we might even be able to talk marc into doing a tuning DVD like he did for the plenum pull another concept is "mail order tune" as well all learn more, we can do the data stream collection, ship the info to Marc and have him do the base tune (which allows us to benefit of MANY years of tuning) and then just do the small "tweaks" to fine tune and zero in based on driving style and further refinement I really value marc's expertise and don't want to "take business away" but the reality is that it's hard to get these cars to chicago economically marc really helped me understand some of the challenges involved, and it's time consuming but very interesting and fun!! lets keep the thread alive and see where this goes. it's exciting stuff