Rizlone ZDDP additive - ZR-1 Net Registry Forums

ittlfly · 07-22-2011

There has been more than several threads about the newer oils and their lack of zink. I saw ths product on ''Truck U'' the other day being advertised. It's advert claims to add all the zink needed for our ''older engines'' according to them. Has anyone tired this product inour cars or have some thoughts ????

secondchance · 07-22-2011

I have been adding 1/2 a bottle of ZDDP w/ each oil change. I did a quick calculation and determined 1/2 bottle w/ whatever level of zincphosphate present in current Mobil 1 formulation would bring the total to about 1200 ppm.
Ofcourse, I have no idea as to what is really in ZDDP... Only could go by what they claim.

ittlfly · 07-23-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by secondchance

I have been adding 1/2 a bottle of ZDDP w/ each oil change. I did a quick calculation and determined 1/2 bottle w/ whatever level of zincphosphate present in current Mobil 1 formulation would bring the total to about 1200 ppm.
Ofcourse, I have no idea as to what is really in ZDDP... Only could go by what they claim.

Is that the Rislone brand you are using or something else?

mike100 · 07-23-2011

Is it more economical than buying $10 qts of zddp amsoil? 10w-30 M1 by the walmart jug is quite a deal, really.

Also, I'd prefer slightly less levels to find a nice compromise to keep the cats healthy.

FU · 07-23-2011

FWIW I use GM's as per Marc Haibeck.

secondchance · 07-23-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by ittlfly

Is that the Rislone brand you are using or something else?

No. This is what I have been using.
http://www.eastwood.com/zddp-plus-oi...e-4-fl-oz.html
2 oz fater an oil change.

Marc Haibeck · 07-24-2011

The LT5 was designed for API SG oil. It is noted on the oil filler cap of the 1990 to 1992 engines. SG has .12% ZDDP. This is also specified as 1200 ppm ZDDP. Modern oils like Mobil 1 10W-30 have .08% ZDDP. They are removing ZDDP because it can reduce the efficiency of the catalytic converter. In the future they might remove more ZDDP.

This is a minor issue with the LT5 because the smaller valves have lower loads on the lifters. The LT5 load on the lifter at full lift is 248 lbs. The L98 with flat tappets has a lifter load of 375 lbs.

I have observed that the lifters wear more than the cams on the LT5. On the LT5 the main concern is lifter wear. Camshaft sprocket wear is also a factor. ZDDP is used to protect these parts.

The easy way to address this is to use an oil that is formulateded for older design engines with flat tappets. The Amsoil AMO product and many other products are available. These products have .12% ZDDP. Too much ZDDP can cause a problem too. The .12% level was used from about 1965 to about 1995 and is well proven.

Amsoil AMO is priced about the same as Mobil 1 if you sign up as a Preferred Customer. Since Amsoil AMO is a higher quality lubricant than Mobil 1 you could go an additional 1000 miles more than you would with Mobil 1.

If you want to save a few dollars you could use GM EOS as an additive for modern oil. About half a bottle of EOS will increase nine quarts of .08% ZDDP oil to about .12%.

If you are subject to emissions testing, modern oil might be right for you. Longer catalyst life might be as important and less lifter wear. Lifter wear due to reduced ZDDP seems to me to be a minor issue on the LT5.

USAFPILOT · 07-24-2011

How about the Mobil 1 Extended Performance?

Marc Haibeck · 07-25-2011

Until about six months ago Mobil 1 stated that their 15W-50 product was for "engines with flat tappets". I can?t find that statement on their www site today. Now they are listing the High Mileage product as having "extra anti wear additive". I can?t find where they document exactly how much. I would want to know what the specification is before trusting it. The Extended Performance product does not have either of the above claims.

4-cam · 07-25-2011

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07-22-2011	#1
ittlfly Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Redding Calif Posts: 223	Rizlone ZDDP additive There has been more than several threads about the newer oils and their lack of zink. I saw ths product on ''Truck U'' the other day being advertised. It's advert claims to add all the zink needed for our ''older engines'' according to them. Has anyone tired this product inour cars or have some thoughts ????

07-22-2011	#2
secondchance Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: McLean, VA Posts: 3,715	Re: Rizlone ZDDP additive I have been adding 1/2 a bottle of ZDDP w/ each oil change. I did a quick calculation and determined 1/2 bottle w/ whatever level of zincphosphate present in current Mobil 1 formulation would bring the total to about 1200 ppm. Ofcourse, I have no idea as to what is really in ZDDP... Only could go by what they claim.

07-23-2011	#4
mike100 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: San Marcos CA Posts: 1,786	Re: Rizlone ZDDP additive Is it more economical than buying $10 qts of zddp amsoil? 10w-30 M1 by the walmart jug is quite a deal, really. Also, I'd prefer slightly less levels to find a nice compromise to keep the cats healthy.

07-23-2011	#5
FU Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Found Member Posts: 4,327	Re: Rizlone ZDDP additive FWIW I use GM's as per Marc Haibeck.

07-24-2011	#7
Marc Haibeck Join Date: May 2007 Location: Addison IL Posts: 250	Re: Rizlone ZDDP additive The LT5 was designed for API SG oil. It is noted on the oil filler cap of the 1990 to 1992 engines. SG has .12% ZDDP. This is also specified as 1200 ppm ZDDP. Modern oils like Mobil 1 10W-30 have .08% ZDDP. They are removing ZDDP because it can reduce the efficiency of the catalytic converter. In the future they might remove more ZDDP. This is a minor issue with the LT5 because the smaller valves have lower loads on the lifters. The LT5 load on the lifter at full lift is 248 lbs. The L98 with flat tappets has a lifter load of 375 lbs. I have observed that the lifters wear more than the cams on the LT5. On the LT5 the main concern is lifter wear. Camshaft sprocket wear is also a factor. ZDDP is used to protect these parts. The easy way to address this is to use an oil that is formulateded for older design engines with flat tappets. The Amsoil AMO product and many other products are available. These products have .12% ZDDP. Too much ZDDP can cause a problem too. The .12% level was used from about 1965 to about 1995 and is well proven. Amsoil AMO is priced about the same as Mobil 1 if you sign up as a Preferred Customer. Since Amsoil AMO is a higher quality lubricant than Mobil 1 you could go an additional 1000 miles more than you would with Mobil 1. If you want to save a few dollars you could use GM EOS as an additive for modern oil. About half a bottle of EOS will increase nine quarts of .08% ZDDP oil to about .12%. If you are subject to emissions testing, modern oil might be right for you. Longer catalyst life might be as important and less lifter wear. Lifter wear due to reduced ZDDP seems to me to be a minor issue on the LT5.

07-24-2011	#8
USAFPILOT Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Spring TX Posts: 1,341	Re: Rizlone ZDDP additive How about the Mobil 1 Extended Performance?

07-25-2011	#9
Marc Haibeck Join Date: May 2007 Location: Addison IL Posts: 250	Re: Rizlone ZDDP additive Until about six months ago Mobil 1 stated that their 15W-50 product was for "engines with flat tappets". I can?t find that statement on their www site today. Now they are listing the High Mileage product as having "extra anti wear additive". I can?t find where they document exactly how much. I would want to know what the specification is before trusting it. The Extended Performance product does not have either of the above claims.