C8 Marketing Video

[XfireZ51]

GM put out a marketing video today.

https://www.chevrolet.com/upcoming-vehicles/next-generation-corvette?evar36=eml_chev_hr_ZERV_video_0419_157873 40846

Here if u have not seen it yet. It has loads of images that u DON’t see unless u scroll thru it. One of them is attached.
Needless to say it is disappointing to me that GM has decided to go w their LTx series OHV motors to introduce this completely new platform.
I’m disappointed but not surprised. This reminds of what they did w the 84 C4.
They carried over the Xfire motor only to go TPI after they had sold 55k 84s.
This intro smells just like that to me. Meanwhile Caddy gets a modern DOHC, TT motor.
Oh well!

I’m sure C&D et all will declare the C8 as the “Best Corvette Yet!” which is like kissing your sister.

[lfalzarano]

From a performance perspective it will be the best as history has proven. Some models have the initial wow factors and others grow on you. We want our Corvettes to be the best and this will up the game for Corvette.

As a side note, Ford has announced the discontinuation of the Ford GT for 2020. They’ll need to up their game to beat the new Corvette. If it wasn’t for Balance of Power bull crap handicapping the C7R, the EcoBoost GT would be another also ran! JMHO


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[XfireZ51]

Ford always planned in doing the GT for a very limited time and for a limited run. They did it to commemorate the LeMans victories in the 60’s, which GM never accomplished.
The GT did score class wins, but amazingly, while other OEMs have gone for the overall win, GM or Ford have never done that since Ford’s win over Ferrari in the 60’s.

[spork2367]

Needless to say it is disappointing to me that GM has decided to go w their LTx series OHV motors to introduce this completely new platform.

But the reality is, if they went with a DOHC, it would likely be a V6 with an electric motor bolted somewhere...

[rush91]

Ford always planned in doing the GT for a very limited time and for a limited run. They did it to commemorate the LeMans victories in the 60’s, which GM never accomplished.
The GT did score class wins, but amazingly, while other OEMs have gone for the overall win, GM or Ford have never done that since Ford’s win over Ferrari in the 60’s.




The amount of time, development cost, etc, to run a car and WIN overall at LeMans / Daytona 24 hours, is insane. And not to mention insanely expensive. I doubt any American car company will ever pull off the feat the 1960s GT40 did. Different times and different motivations at Ford than today....



Ford makes me scratch my head at times. With production stopping of the GT and of all cars but the Mustang, their performance division is sad. I already see too many damn Mustangs on the road now, and not looking forward to seeing 8 different variations of it. Seems like a bad business decision, but I'm not in the business of making cars.



The C8 will be a world beater. Maybe not the 1st model year, but give it a few years of production and an all out performance model. I can't imagine taking your Halo car, totally re-engineering this radically, to have it be not better than a Cadillac.

[XfireZ51]

Rush,

GM has made a similar pronouncement about their de-emphasizing sedans and coupes as Ford has declared. Just look down any parking lot. U can’t see a sedan because they’re all hidden behind SUVs. And the Mustang outsells the Camaro by significant margins, maybe 2-3:1. Wonder if the 5.0 DOHC has something to do w that? Hmmm?
With all the gnashing of teeth on CF about the C8 “possibly” having a DOHC motor, I can’t imagine GM would REALLY want to piss off the Corvettearisti by using a V6. Especially, since there’s a pretty nice looking 4.2L laying around the parts bin. I don’t doubt for a moment however that electric is definitely planned for the AWD version.
This C8 intro feels a lot like the 84 C4 w a carryover motor.

[spork2367]

Just look down any parking lot. U can’t see a sedan because they’re all hidden behind SUVs. And the Mustang outsells the Camaro by significant margins, maybe 2-3:1. Wonder if the 5.0 DOHC has something to do w that? Hmmm?

An entry level V8 mustang is 3-4k cheaper than the comparable Camaro. For most people who want one of the two, that plays a much bigger factor than the number of cams.

[XfireZ51]

An entry level V8 mustang is 3-4k cheaper than the comparable Camaro. For most people who want one of the two, that plays a much bigger factor than the number of cams.

I’ll have to disagree w u on that. If its 3-4k CHEAPER AND has a more seemingly sophisticated engine architecture w similar power, that certainly would sway people. I don’t think people who buy these pony cars easily substitute one for the other. A bit like a Corvette driver v Porsche. Don’t see those consumers swapping brands much.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

Perhaps the General is confused about which is their Halo Car, The CTS -V or the Corvette.
We know which one has the better engine at least in 2020.
I have no problem with sharing the engine, but not at the expense of the Corvette.
I was always OK with cars like the Grand National, or the ZL-1 Camaro, as well as the Cadillac, but it does seem odd that the Vette will be a bit more pedestrian than the Caddy, even if only for a year.
Fully agree with those who are reminded of 1984 and the Cease Fire Injection Corvette.
Tradition?
Why stub your toe on purpose?
Marty

[spork2367]

I’ll have to disagree w u on that. If its 3-4k CHEAPER AND has a more seemingly sophisticated engine architecture w similar power, that certainly would sway people. I don’t think people who buy these pony cars easily substitute one for the other. A bit like a Corvette driver v Porsche. Don’t see those consumers swapping brands much.

I agree, the "Ford" guy, or the "Chevy" guy doesn't care about 3-4k. But there are far more mustang owners who aren't "Ford" people. That is absolutely because they offer the lowest priced V8 "sports car." Those people don't care about the number of cams.

[XfireZ51]

I agree, the "Ford" guy, or the "Chevy" guy doesn't care about 3-4k. But there are far more mustang owners who aren't "Ford" people. That is absolutely because they offer the lowest priced V8 "sports car." Those people don't care about the number of cams.


I wouldn't doubt that given that most Mustangs are sold w the EcoBoost motor altho that motor may be perceived as a more sophisticated design than the LS/LT architecture.

[spork2367]

I wouldn't doubt that given that most Mustangs are sold w the EcoBoost motor altho that motor may be perceived as a more sophisticated design than the LS/LT architecture.

I don't have the latest numbers (2019), but the v8 outsold the ecoboost for all of the years that they have both been offered (through 2018). Breakdown is roughly 52% 5.0, 24% V6, 24% L4.

And that is also fleet sales which are all ecoboosts.

[lfalzarano]

Nobody likes a V6.


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[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

Nobody likes a V6.


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I have a 3 owner 9k mile near new Grand National here that runs low 11's!
Now THAT is a V-6 one can like!
Marty

[XfireZ51]

I have a 3 owner 9k mile near new Grand National here that runs low 11's!
Now THAT is a V-6 one can like!
Marty

:handshak:

[Hib Halverson]

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As a side note, Ford has announced the discontinuation of the Ford GT for 2020. They’ll need to up their game to beat the new Corvette. If it wasn’t for Balance of Power bull crap handicapping the C7R, the EcoBoost GT would be another also ran! JMHO


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"lfalzarano" gets the Saturday morning "Beacon of Reality Award".

As for the engine discussion...

Typical of GM, it's dropping the base model C8 first. From an engineering and development standpoint, the C8 is the most complex new, performance sports car platform the company has done since the C5 of 1997. Since then, the basic layout of the platform and powertrain had remained unchanged.

Not only was the engineering and development of an ME configuration complex, but an entirely new transaxle assembly had to be developed and then came the adaptation of GM's new global electrical system architecture–another monumental task. In fact, that, alone, was such a problem that it delayed the program by six months. All that said, it makes perfect sense that the ME car would come to market in 2020 with a proven Gen 5 V8 for power, specifically the LT2. GM has not released any information on LT2 but I'm going guess it's a 500-hp version of the new 6.6L V8 GM is going to debut in HD light trucks.

As for the high-performance C8, ie: a "Z06" or what some call "Zora"...I think that's where we will see a Corvette version of the LTA "Black Wing" V8, which right now, Cadillac offers in the CT6-V. One could speculate that the Corvette version of the 4.2L tt might make 600-hp. To get the 900-1000-hp rumors suggest the car will have, my guess is there will be 300-400-hp worth of electric motor(s) up front giving the platform the AWD it is going need to put that kind of power to the ground.

The 950 or so horsepower, hybrid Zora will have little cargo room in it so forget driving it to the country club with two golf bags in the back.

[Ccmano]

If it wasn’t for Balance of Power bull crap handicapping the C7R, the EcoBoost GT would be another also ran! JMHO

Like Hib, I’m with you on that. There are a number of race series doing that now with the belief it generates closer racing. I don’t get it. It seems to handicap some to the benefit of others within a given Racing “formula”. While close racing is good, fans don’t come to see just anybody race closely, they’re usually rooting for one brand or driver. If l were king of all racing I would define a “formula” (including a budget cap) and let competitors build their cars to that “formula”. The idea being to see who can build the best car within that framework. If one competitor starts to run away from everyone else for too many seasons, simply change the “formula”. That’s basically how most racing used to be. NASCAR and IndyCar I don’t get at all, with everyone using basically the same chassis. But then I’m not the King of Racing. Lol...
H

[Z51JEFF]

Regardless of how the new car is perceived by the hardcore Corvette crowd I think the car will be huge as far as sales go. From a style stand point I love everything about the car but the cheap rear spoiler thing. Oddly enough I’m just now starting to like the C7. As far as Ford doing away with the GT, I absolutely love the 05/06 cars but could never really get the new GT,a V6 in an exotic just doesn’t work for me,I don’t car how much tech or power the thing has and I do think Ford will rethink the GTs discontinuation after the new car comes out.