change color to competition yellow?

[Stevdug]

Ok I'm looking for thoughts on why to or why not to change color of my red 90 ZR-1 to competition Yellow. I have always wanted a comp yellow 90 Z but with probably 18-20 left out in North America I don't like my chanches any time soon of finding one. I've made my plus and minus list, what thoughts can you add to it?

Plus
My car is near perfect, even if I find a yellow it may not be as nice of a car

Cost to paint plus cost of my car most likely will be less than what I would pay for a nice Yellow car

Lot's of red cars out there and the car will be done properly so if I decide to sell I question if this would hurt the value of the car.

I dont see the value of our cars going crazy any time soon

Minus

I hate to trash the flawless original paint

Car will no longer be as manufactured

[Dynomite]

What color is the interior of the Red 1990?
How many miles on your 1990?
Any modifications of the 1990?

I would advertise for a Yellow ZR-1.....I see you already did that once in July 2016 with no responses....
I would advertise for a yellow 1990 ZR-1 again a few times........not just one time.
You never know.....someone may let one go in a trade or outright if the price or trade is right.

You say you want a yellow 1990 ZR-1......I assume that means you do NOT want a 1991-1995 Yellow ZR-1? The numbers go from 20s to almost 200.

If you do decide to re-paint......document the costs, preparation and painting in a new thread for us :thumbsup:

[KILLSHOTS]

If you do it "right" as you say, it likely won't hurt the value. Could even increase it. Unless it's a garage queen with 100 miles on it, originality doesn't matter to anybody on a C4. But doing it "right" will involve massive disassembly and would likely cost $10K, maybe more. Half the value of the car to change paint from an already desirable color? I get why you want yellow, but...

[RussMcB]

I shared my color change experience via PM. My choice was much easier because my car had already gone through a color change (from turquoise to black), and the black was pretty scratched up.

I had been watching for yellow C4's before I bought mine and they don't come up very often.

My paint job cost $4,000, but I would expect to have to pay $5k or more.

I certainly understand the strong desire to have a car in a special color, especially yellow!

I also understand hesitating to change a car that currently has very good paint.

Tough decision, but I say go for it! :-)

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

Changing the color on a C-4 today may seem like no big deal.
Certainly it's your car, and you may do as you please and desire.
I will simply say that C-2's with a color change lose about 25% of their value in driver quality condition, and 50% or more if show quality.
C-3's with similar changes are a bit lower, but not by much.
C-4's are still so low in their value cycle, that today it is no big deal, but that will change as the car ages.

While selling your car is likely one of the farthest thoughts on your mind, just know that you will be making it difficult to sell at anywhere near the price of an original car.

The first question I am asked on most any car is always is it numbers matching, with the second being does it match the paint and trim codes.

While I am sure it may not matter to some, it matters to those who search for higher end examples.

Good luck with you decision!
:cheers:
Marty

[G8nightman]

If you are willing to do this go for it

http://i.imgur.com/ScWS0xF.png

[Stevdug]

Thanks all!
No mods bone stock
Just under 18k miles
Grey interior. Yeah I know not the best combo for resale but I love it
I am Specifically looking for a 90 I just like the earlier nose and black belt line and don't like later car seats so I'm shoe horned back into the 20 some available
I'll do all tear down so I will be in the 8k for paint and have 20 in the car so all in I think pretty solidly under what I would pay for original yellow

[billschroeder5842]

Thanks all!
No mods bone stock
Just under 18k miles


18k?

Don't do it!

As mentioned earlier, you can advertise LOTS more and keep you eyes open. Can can call people with yellow cars and try to strike a deal.

Plus, IMHO yellow and gray will look goofy.

[RussMcB]

Yeah, I think I'll retract my "Go for it" advice. I didn't realize your car's mileage was so low.

I like Bill's advice to contact yellow car owners and negotiate a deal. Use that $8K you were going to spend on the new paint towards your negotiating.

Good luck!

[We Gone]

18k?

Plus, IMHO yellow and gray will look goofy.

I Love my Yellow/White :-D

[A26B]

Thanks all!
No mods bone stock
Just under 18k miles
Grey interior. Yeah I know not the best combo for resale but I love it
I am Specifically looking for a 90 I just like the earlier nose and black belt line and don't like later car seats so I'm shoe horned back into the 20 some available
I'll do all tear down so I will be in the 8k for paint and have 20 in the car so all in I think pretty solidly under what I would pay for original yellow

I say go for it! It's your ZR-1, enjoy it the way you want it.

[32valvesftw]

Have you thought about a wrap? It may cost about 2K but it is removable.

[RussMcB]

Have you thought about a wrap? It may cost about 2K but it is removable.That's perfect! Great suggestion. I'm embarrassed I didn't think of it.

[32valvesftw]

If you go that route, make sure to use architectural grade or the best grade of vinyl it will last longer. Getting the exact color might be a challenge.

[LGAFF]

Could you wrap it and have the best of both?

[gbrtng]

there's a yellow one here:

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/Marketplace/ZR1sForSale/tabid/166/articleType/CategoryView/categoryId/63/1991-ZR-1s.aspx

near my turq which you can paint yellow to your hearts content ...

[billschroeder5842]

Have you thought about a wrap? It may cost about 2K but it is removable.

OOOoooo this is a great idea. I really like the idea of having what you like but being able to bring it back to factory if required.

[Stevdug]

I thought about a wrap but I don't know about 2k for something that looks right. For it to not totally look odd I would have to get jambs done, most prices I have seen for that work nears cost of repaint. Also I looked at the 91 yellow for sale and the airbrush work is not my thing at all so again I would be repainting and trading for a car that might have deeper issues, I've thought about selling mine and buying a higher mile car to paint but other than messing with possible future value I don't see any advantage. I also have posted on other forums and reached out to yellow owners without luck. Patience is the name of the game to get an original I just don't know how much I have and I also love the challenge of a project like this

[1991KOTH]

Yeah, yellow on a 90 does look great with that belt line, so does quasar and steel blue imo. If there's anything that I've learned about the zr-1 market, patience is the key. You could contact corvette specialists like Roger Judski at Roger's corvette. He could probably help you track down one.


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[ZRapid-1]

I think you should paint it.
You've got the base car that you like and have all the problems sorted out.
And you'll have brand new paint - with no scratches, chips or dings.


This would have been a great choice in the past:
Sold for $25K

• 1 of 23 made in Yellow
• Painted roof and glass roof panels
• 4,786 miles

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0114-172960/1990-chevrolet-corvette-zr1/

https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/fl0114/fl0114-172960/images/fl0114-172960_1@2x.jpg

[ghlkal]

I really like yellow on a C4. And, I think gray interior goes well with yellow.

If it were me, and I had the means, I would do it :)

[phrogs]

If you are willing to do this go for it

http://i.imgur.com/ScWS0xF.png

Hey looks like mine haha

But I hit the body with black primer hood and doors with grey


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[RICHARD TILL]

8k for a paint job and it`ll be yellow and gray? You`ll get sick of that very soon.

[Vette73]

8k for a paint job and it`ll be yellow and gray? You`ll get sick of that very soon.

I agree..Just leave it alone...

[Vette73]

Take the 8K and build more power....

[Meanmyz]

8k for a paint job and it`ll be yellow and gray? You`ll get sick of that very soon.

I don't know. I have had a Competition Yellow '95 since 2012 and absolutely love the color. I have never gotten sick of it. I actually like it more over time...it makes many other colors seem, well, boring!

I do like red, but it is nice to see ZR-1's every once in a while that aren't that color.

I might have a tough time changing a lower mile Z to a different color however. In the end, it's your car.

[Z51JEFF]

If you are willing to do this go for it

http://i.imgur.com/ScWS0xF.png

This is the only way to paint a car. If you have no plans to sell the car I'd say go for it but repainting a perfect paint car would be a tough one but you're the one that has to look at it every day. If you can swing a wrench you could save a little by doing the disassembly and reassembly. Plan on spending for a choice job $10k on up. If the money was there I'd like to paint my white 91 a fine metallic silver-pewter. I think this would really pop with the the red interior. And to me in order to get the surface to look factory I wouldn't want the paint cut and buffed. Maybe a very mild cut with 2500 to knock down anything on the surface and then bring out the shine. Got to have a touch of peel to it.

[A26B]

................ If the money was there I'd like to paint my white 91 a fine metallic silver-pewter. I think this would really pop with the the red interior. ...............

I had a 1972 454 Coupe with pewter color. Absolutely loved the color. The metallic flashed green with silver & accented the body lines. It had red vinyl interior. The color looked good with pewter, but I redid the interior in black deluxe trim, mainly to get a more plush interior.

[32valvesftw]

. Got to have a touch of peel to it.
Why?

[MickeyD]

My 2 cents is I would keep what you have and advertise. One of mine is a 90 red/black. Nothing special. I want a steel blue or black rose, but i wouldn't change the color. I'll find one or both sooner or later. That's the originalist in me though. I want them the way they came from factory.

[Stevdug]

Ok here is an update. I found a Yellow 91 but I think looking at this car has pushed me to paint mine. The car is the right color and does not have crazy miles but on the surface it has issues that will add to its 30k asking price and may have more once seen in person. The car has 31k miles and a NCRS top flight judging award but leather on the seats is subpar to mine and the windshield is delaminating my is crystal clear, stack that on top of it's a 91 so it will not have the black belt line which I think sets the car off. If I could get the car for 23k which i think is more than a fair price it might be worth vs painting mine but I doubt the owner is going to be excited about cutting 7k off his price. I also have another question about colors, does anyone have a picture of a Competition Yellow against a corvette Yellow car which this one is.

[Dynomite]

Ok here is an update. I found a Yellow 91 but I think looking at this car has pushed me to paint mine. Does anyone have a picture of a Competition Yellow against a corvette Yellow car which this one is.

I do not see any 1990-1995 ZR-1 with exterior Yellow or Corvette Yellow......just exterior Competition Yellow :confused:

The 1990 exterior color chart (ZR-1 Registry) does not show any Competition Yellow but the chart (Color Quantities by year) suggests 23 ZR-1 exterors were Competition Yellow in 1990 and 42 exteriors were Competition Yellow in 1991.

[Vette73]

In what year did it place in the NCRS? If the owners asking price is 31K and you say it looks like it has issues than I don't think an offer of 23K is bad...

From what your saying you have not seen this car yet in person, correct? I did run into a guy at a car show that owned a 91 in yellow.....Car was not the greatest and the tint of the paint made it look like a sunflower yellow...

I agree a 90 with the Black moulding around would set off the paint a little better.....As you know it's a great time to buy and if the owner had any sense he would really consider the offer your thinking of...

[RussMcB]

I think the only yellow offered for C4's (or at least the ZR-1's) was Competition Yellow.

For me (and I know this is a personal, subjective thing), the Competition Yellow wasn't bright enough. I chose a C5 Millennium Yellow.

It wasn't an easy decision, but considering the prices of ZR-1's and other things, I figured I should go ahead and paint it the way I wanted it. I plan to keep the car a long time and when I sell it, I wont expect a lot of money for it. Mine has 70k miles.

[We Gone]

Here is my Competition yellow 93 beside my 95 LT1 painted 04 Millennium Yellow

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/8838/4Bs79I.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/7682/zSKoPC.jpg

[GOLDCYLON]

I Love my Yellow/White :-D

Id be afraid to sit in that white interior Steve.

[We Gone]

Id be afraid to sit in that white interior Steve.

Its very easy to keep clean! White shoe polish is your friend.

[Vette73]

I think the only yellow offered for C4's (or at least the ZR-1's) was Competition Yellow.

For me (and I know this is a personal, subjective thing), the Competition Yellow wasn't bright enough. I chose a C5 Millennium Yellow.

It wasn't an easy decision, but considering the prices of ZR-1's and other things, I figured I should go ahead and paint it the way I wanted it. I plan to keep the car a long time and when I sell it, I wont expect a lot of money for it. Mine has 70k miles.

I feel the same way about my 91....Picked it up in Nov of 14 for below 19K...Blk/blk super clean car....When I'm done I'll be another 11K in performance mods.....That's what I wanted.....Didn't want to keep it stock..

When I go to sell which won't be anytime soon, someone will get a helluva car for a good price...

[Meanmyz]

I think the only yellow offered for C4's (or at least the ZR-1's) was Competition Yellow.


Russ, the '91 and '92 Corvettes did in fact have a different shade of yellow. Known just as "Yellow", its paint code was 35 versus 53 for Competition Yellow. Chevrolet pulled Competition Yellow early during the 1990 model year because it was photosensitive in the sun. The color would tend to get darker, as i recall reading, after sitting in the sun.

The '91 and '92 yellow was more pale, similar to an Easter yellow. All was corrected in time for 1993 production.

Regardless, I would love to own a 1990. I don't even mind the '91/'92 yellow on a nicely kept car.

[Kevin]

I don't know. I have had a Competition Yellow '95 since 2012 and absolutely love the color. I have never gotten sick of it. I actually like it more over time...it makes many other colors seem, well, boring!

I do like red, but it is nice to see ZR-1's every once in a while that aren't that color.

I might have a tough time changing a lower mile Z to a different color however. In the end, it's your car.

the only time I wish I had a different color car is at carlise.
"Which is our car?"
It's the red one over there.......ummm look for the custom plate


http://imgur.com/3CvllbM.jpg

[BigJohn]

Looks good to me!

[Z51JEFF]

$30K for a 91 with 31,000 miles,guys going to have it for awhile. As stated $23,000 sounds about right.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

the only time I wish I had a different color car is at carlise.
"Which is our car?"
It's the red one over there.......ummm look for the custom plate


http://imgur.com/3CvllbM.jpg

or the one with the blinding and beautiful red paint!!!
:cheers:
Marty

[BigJohn]

Are you certain this is Carlisle?
I always remember the grass as being brown!

[Stevdug]

I took my car by the body shop today and am headed down the color change path. I've got my work cut out tearing the car down now.

[2ljd]

I agree...change the color, make the car your own and enjoy it. Take a lot of pics!


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[BigJohn]

I kind of like Hugger Orange!

[RussMcB]

Russ, the '91 and '92 Corvettes did in fact have a different shade of yellow.Thanks. I stand corrected.

Its very easy to keep clean! White shoe polish is your friend.Yep. Just do it the same time you're prepping your shoes for a big night out at the disco. :-)

[ghlkal]

I took my car by the body shop today and am headed down the color change path. .

Good. Keep us informed on its progress.

[cvette98pacecar]

If you are going to do a color change do something other than the original colors.

There are a boat load of Pearls and Candy'
If I had 1 Z that needed paint I would probably go with DSOM, Atomic Orange, Inferno Orange.

Wait, Purple Pearl Mist.

LOL

[Kevin]

or the one with the blinding and beautiful red paint!!!
:cheers:
Marty

Thank you!

[Meanmyz]

or the one with the blinding and beautiful red paint!!!
:cheers:
Marty

Yeah I have to agree. It looks DEEEP!

[Stevdug]

Just updating what I have been doing. I finally got started pulling apart the car and everything is going pretty well. I will finish up the rockers, rear hatch and a few pieces of trim and take the whole mess to the shop next week. I just get a little sick messing with a car like this, as I pulled it apart I had to look hard for any flaw or evidence of past work but it really is an untouched example. As nice as it is i am still very excited to get the yellow color on the car.

[phrogs]

It will be yellow before you know it.

[BigJohn]

Just remember flying insects love to kill themselves on Yellow cars!

[Z51JEFF]

Why?

Sometimes something that's sanded completely flat doesn't look right. A very nice job that's got a touch of peel looks better. You can look at a new high end car and even though it looks flat from a short distance up close it's got some orange peel to it. When the time comes I will paint my car the color I want. Another option the O.P. could have looked at was buy a really nice 91-93 and put a 90 bumper and body side molding on it.

[1LEZ]

Don't forget the Callaway Aerobody if you're going to change the color :)

[BigJohn]

Sometimes something that's sanded completely flat doesn't look right. A very nice job that's got a touch of peel looks better. You can look at a new high end car and even though it looks flat from a short distance up close it's got some orange peel to it. When the time comes I will paint my car the color I want. Another option the O.P. could have looked at was buy a really nice 91-93 and put a 90 bumper and body side molding on it.


My LM has no orange peel in the paint.

[Z51JEFF]

My LM has no orange peel in the paint.

Considering the car I would think not.

[Paul Workman]

I think you should paint it.
You've got the base car that you like and have all the problems sorted out.
And you'll have brand new paint - with no scratches, chips or dings.


This would have been a great choice in the past:
Sold for $25K

• 1 of 23 made in Yellow
• Painted roof and glass roof panels
• 4,786 miles

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0114-172960/1990-chevrolet-corvette-zr1/

https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/fl0114/fl0114-172960/images/fl0114-172960_1@2x.jpg

Yellow/Black = My absolute favorite combo!:jawdrop::thumbsup:

Black/black-red = #2:)

Red/black-red = #3 (what I have now).:neutral:

[USAZR1]

Reading this thread about changing the color of your 91 and it's got me to thinking,now. Am looking at a really nice 91 w/368" and the idea of repainting it to Admiral Blue has certainly crossed my mind.

[Z51JEFF]

Reading this thread about changing the color of your 91 and it's got me to thinking,now. Am looking at a really nice 91 w/368" and the idea of repainting it to Admiral Blue has certainly crossed my mind.

Clint needs another ZZZZZZZZZZZ!

[Stevdug]

Some updates:

[Stevdug]

I love the color and can't wait to start putting this back together

[Stevdug]

Amazing how close the comp yellow is to my velocity yellow

[G8nightman]

Looking good[emoji1360]


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[Roadster]

Looking good[emoji1360]


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Yes I agree, looks real good.....

[wiretap]

Pulling the LS 1 looks like HARD WORK

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[2ljd]

Can't wait to see the final product!


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[Meanmyz]

It looks beautiful Stevdug.

If I could ask, when you repaint, do you just sand up the red to use as a base coat or do you have to also primer it?

I ask because I will be repainting my yellow Z down the road and ask how to do it properly despite what the painter may want to do. Thanks!

[Stevdug]

It looks beautiful Stevdug.

If I could ask, when you repaint, do you just sand up the red to use as a base coat or do you have to also primer it?

I ask because I will be repainting my yellow Z down the road and ask how to do it properly despite what the painter may want to do. Thanks!
It really depends on what color you start with, in my case putting a transparent yellow over red required the need of a white sealer, if the car would have been black or white originaly it might be possible to just scuff and paint. It also depends on condition of the existing paint; mine was perfect so no real need for any kind of surface work that would have required a building type primer to smooth out imperfections. Sounds like we should have traded if you are painting a yellow car another color :)

[Meanmyz]

Thanks for the info Steve. No, I would just be putting on new Comp. Yellow. Like you, I love the color. :cheers:

[Stevdug]

Going back together

[2ljd]

Lookin good!

[Hog]

Looking good friend! Its gotta be exciting.

[Stevdug]

Got to get some better pics but I can't tell you how happy I am with the csr

[Meanmyz]

Wow, that is beautiful! For a total color change, it looks like you were thorough. We definitely need more pictures!

[Vette73]

Nice job....Like how the body side moulding and tinted top breaks it up..