1/2 Mile shootout today!

[Paul Workman]

The Phoenix returns to the scene of her greatest episode today to soar again!

Good luck to all running today, and hope to see as many as possible out there to support fellow ZR-1'ers!

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/3ff7531c-dc01-4320-9f7e-8eed8a74ad78_zpscfddab3b.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/3ff7531c-dc01-4320-9f7e-8eed8a74ad78_zpscfddab3b.jpg.html)

[LGAFF]

Good Luck everyone....

[Racinfan83]

Good Luck guys and have fun! :cheers:

[USAZR1]

Good luck and just as important,be safe!

[We Gone]

All the good stuff happens up North, Looking forward to the stories.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Good luck, Paul!

[Paul Workman]

Great fun...Best part? I DIDN'T BREAK NUTTIN!!!=D>

Just 4 ZR-1s came to play yesterday: Al was the big dawg with his 441 beast, Bob Banks, Dominic, and me.

Weather was perfect, except it got into the mid 80s w/ some humidity vs. last year's overcast and in the 50s.

Honestly, after all the work getting her repaired and painted, I was had a little anxiety in the pit of my stomach as I intentionally lined up in that same infamous lane that was so disastrous last year. At the light I made a vigorous start but I let up to make an exploratory/shake-down pass: be damn sure I knew where the finish line was - driving toward the early morning sun, as it were, finishing at a mild 133.x mph.

On my second run I was paired up with Bob. Our motors were about even, power wise (510 ish) but he was rowing with 4.10s and mine was the stock 3.45s. On the heals of that recent forum thread discussion about rear gears and which had the advantage in what circumstances, I was eager to see how the two cars would perform.

Quick on the draw, Bob got a couple car lengths on me at the line. And he got another length by the time I shifted into 2nd. That 4.10 gear was workin' for him, no doubt! But, at the big end, I was still in 4th and Bob had shifted to 5th and the gap was shrinking - pretty much exactly as expected. Bob did cross the finish line ahead of me at (I think he said) 138(?) mph, where the Phoenix turned in my best at 144.23 mph. One pass does not a trend make, but as I said, it was interesting to compare two cars with reasonably close setup except for rear gearing.

Oh...and those Hawk HPS pads worked great - especially if applied!:o

Temperatures were on the rise by mid morning, and I felt I turned in a good pass. AND! Nothing broken - so good 'nuff!!

Dom sprung an oil leak, somewhere in the vicinity of the oil filter/cooler region and had to pull out of the racing after only one shake-down pass. Hope he lets us know what it was.

That left Al and his 441 BEAST!

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/Al2014halfmilerun_zpsb099d8c7.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/Al2014halfmilerun_zpsb099d8c7.jpg.html)

On every pass that I saw him make, that monster was having problems getting hooked well into 3rd gear, and still turned in a 159.xx mph. There was a suspected problem with the track's equipment, but Bob and I had to leave before seeing Al try once again to break into the 160s! Hope he made it! Maybe he'll chime in??

All in all it was a fun time. It was an opportunity to see what difference the winter mods made to last year's runs. I still have the stock TB bores and had hoped I could get it to 63mm and get those restrictive Magnaflow muffs replaced with the Dynamax 17228s before this run. Well, maybe by next time?

One of "THEM"!: :razz:

As it happened, I ran into a "Joe" feller from the FBI's nemesis the "Fast Glass" Chicago Corvette car club. He came over to gaze at the LT5 and remarked how well "those cars run!" He went on to say that "a group of those guys beat us again last fall at the (Crown Point Corvette Club) 1/4 mile shootout" and an instant later saw the ZR-1 NetRegistry embroidery on the shirt I was wearing, and his expression told that he realized I was part of that club. "Are you...?" he stammered. I told him I was, but the real damage at those events wasn't done by my car, but 'a few like that one over there', pointing to Al's white rocket.

He remembered at last year's 1/2 mile run a certain red ZR-1 running off the end of the track. It was my turn to be humble...:redface:

We did see Robert DeMarco and his Amy there, and a host of his other beautiful family members there. Got to see the little grandson "Tony" again (who rode "shotgun" with Robert during the Mountain Run and some more of you met at the BG gathering).

It was great fun, and a chance for a few of the FBI warriors to gather to spread their wings a bit more!

But, as last year showed, far as forced induction goes..."IF YOU AIN'T BLOWIN, YOU AIN'T GOIN!!" The forced induction guys showed the way home again. Sure wish Marc could have been there. Would love to see how his ZR1 would have run!

[ALZR1]

Great fun...Best part? I DIDN'T BREAK NUTTIN!!!=D>

Just 4 ZR-1s came to play yesterday: Al was the big dawg with his 441 beast, Bob Banks, Dominic, and me.

Weather was perfect, except it got into the mid 80s w/ some humidity vs. last year's overcast and in the 50s.

Honestly, after all the work getting her repaired and painted, I was had a little anxiety in the pit of my stomach as I intentionally lined up in that same infamous lane that was so disastrous last year. At the light I made a vigorous start but I let up to make an exploratory/shake-down pass: be damn sure I knew where the finish line was - driving toward the early morning sun, as it were, finishing at a mild 133.x mph.

On my second run I was paired up with Bob. Our motors were about even, power wise (510 ish) but he was rowing with 4.10s and mine was the stock 3.45s. On the heals of that recent forum thread discussion about rear gears and which had the advantage in what circumstances, I was eager to see how the two cars would perform.

Quick on the draw, Bob got a couple car lengths on me at the line. And he got another length by the time I shifted into 2nd. That 4.10 gear was workin' for him, no doubt! But, at the big end, I was still in 4th and Bob had shifted to 5th and the gap was shrinking - pretty much exactly as expected. Bob did cross the finish line ahead of me at (I think he said) 138(?) mph, where the Phoenix turned in my best at 144.23 mph. One pass does not a trend make, but as I said, it was interesting to compare two cars with reasonably close setup except for rear gearing.

Oh...and those Hawk HPS pads worked great - especially if applied!:o

Temperatures were on the rise by mid morning, and I felt I turned in a good pass. AND! Nothing broken - so good 'nuff!!

Dom sprung an oil leak, somewhere in the vicinity of the oil filter/cooler region and had to pull out of the racing after only one shake-down pass. Hope he lets us know what it was.

That left Al and his 441 BEAST!

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/Al2014halfmilerun_zpsb099d8c7.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/Al2014halfmilerun_zpsb099d8c7.jpg.html)

On every pass that I saw him make, that monster was having problems getting hooked well into 3rd gear, and still turned in a 159.xx mph. There was a suspected problem with the track's equipment, but Bob and I had to leave before seeing Al try once again to break into the 160s! Hope he made it! Maybe he'll chime in??

All in all it was a fun time. It was an opportunity to see what difference the winter mods made to last year's runs. I still have the stock TB bores and had hoped I could get it to 63mm and get those restrictive Magnaflow muffs replaced with the Dynamax 17228s before this run. Well, maybe by next time?

One of "THEM"!: :razz:

As it happened, I ran into a "Joe" feller from the FBI's nemesis the "Fast Glass" Chicago Corvette car club. He came over to gaze at the LT5 and remarked how well "those cars run!" He went on to say that "a group of those guys beat us again last fall at the (Crown Point Corvette Club) 1/4 mile shootout" and an instant later saw the ZR-1 NetRegistry embroidery on the shirt I was wearing, and his expression told that he realized I was part of that club. "Are you...?" he stammered. I told him I was, but the real damage at those events wasn't done by my car, but 'a few like that one over there', pointing to Al's white rocket.

He remembered at last year's 1/2 mile run a certain red ZR-1 running off the end of the track. It was my turn to be humble...:redface:

We did see Robert DeMarco and his Amy there, and a host of his other beautiful family members there. Got to see the little grandson "Tony" again (who rode "shotgun" with Robert during the Mountain Run and some more of you met at the BG gathering).

It was great fun, and a chance for a few of the FBI warriors to gather to spread their wings a bit more!

But, as last year showed, far as forced induction goes..."IF YOU AIN'T BLOWIN, YOU AIN'T GOIN!!" The forced induction guys showed the way home again. Sure wish Marc could have been there. Would love to see how his ZR1 would have run!

On my last run I was able to get 160.468 MPH.Traction was problem for me.
I think there was two other c5 that were faster than me N/A,one of them was
A red c5 had A 474 ci lsx motor built high plenum and the car lighter as well and the other was A white c5 ZO6 I'm not sure what he ran or what it had
as far as the motor.
next time drag radials and I think i'll get 160+ all day.We'll just wait for the October running.



AL.

[FU]

Nice running Al :cheers:

[XfireZ51]

I have a couple of Al's runs on vid that will be posting shortly. As Paul said, I never made a second run. Mustang driver behind me spotted oil puddle as I moved the car up after first run. We're pretty sure that it's the oil sensor in that god forsaken spot that no human can reach. We checked oil level and Bob Banks was good enough to give me a quart to top things off for the ride home. Other than a bit of smoke, it looks like no harm done. When I got my time slip, I thought I had done a 135. Wasn't until I got home that I read it more carefully and realized I had run a 141 out of the box. Over-revved it in 3rd hitting the fuel cutoff before I shifted it. So probably lost some momentum there.
Some of you may know Matt Farah from Smoking Tire. He was announcing the races. When Al's car was headed down the track Farah said how much he liked the ZR-1 and that Al's car was one strong C4. But he also mistakenly said the motor was developed by Mercury Marine.
Looks like the fastest NA was a Vengence Racing C5Z @171. A Viper and GTR TIED FOR TOP DOG yesterday @213. Let's face it, these are not cars your driving to Home Depot to pick up a bag of mulch.

Weather conditions were good but humid especially in the first runs. Fog earlier in the morning which burned off later on so MPH got better. Probably some better traction also with warmer track surface.
Come on Frank, bring that baby over in October.

[Paul Workman]

On my last run I was able to get 160.468 MPH.Traction was problem for me.
I think there was two other c5 that were faster than me N/A,one of them was
A red c5 had A 474 ci lsx motor built high plenum and the car lighter as well and the other was A white c5 ZO6 I'm not sure what he ran or what it had
as far as the motor.
next time drag radials and I think i'll get 160+ all day.We'll just wait for the October running.



AL.

Woo Hoo! Congratz on busting into the 160s!

As for the white C5Z, I ran against him on my first pass. It was wicked sounding at the line, and he pulled away the entire pass. Might have been FI, but I don't know, but was waaay up the HP ladder, for sure!

Well...October? Hmmm.... If I can get around to the mods in time, I may run then too. But, if not, and you DO run, I'll be there to see it! Hopefully some others with the big guns can make it too, like Bob G and Kevin and Marc!:dancing

[WARP TEN]

[QUOTE=Paul Workman;206113].......On my second run I was paired up with Bob. Our motors were about even, power wise (510 ish) but he was rowing with 4.10s and mine was the stock 3.45s. On the heals of that recent forum thread discussion about rear gears and which had the advantage in what circumstances, I was eager to see how the two cars would perform.

Quick on the draw, Bob got a couple car lengths on me at the line. And he got another length by the time I shifted into 2nd. That 4.10 gear was workin' for him, no doubt! But, at the big end, I was still in 4th and Bob had shifted to 5th and the gap was shrinking - pretty much exactly as expected. Bob did cross the finish line ahead of me at (I think he said) 138(?) mph, where the Phoenix turned in my best at 144.23 mph. One pass does not a trend make, but as I said, it was interesting to compare two cars with reasonably close setup except for rear gearing.....[Quote]

Paul is right--I ran 138, exactly what I ran last year. As Paul and I discussed it, we concluded that shifting into fifth does slow me down some, but I think the real reason is that I short shift a bit. Using the tach I shift around or just under 7,000 where as Paul has a calibrated shift light and shifts at 7,200 (He has moved up his rev limiter to 7,500 he said; mine is still stock at 7,200 I believe). I may well be shifting as low as 6,800 depending on accuracy and lag of the tach. Since Paul's car is almost identical to mine in power, my guess is that the driver should take most of the blame for being the club slow guy. I suspect that an extra 400 rpms on each shift would put me into the 140s even with a shift to fifth. Maybe another time.

And congrats to Al for his 160 run. I know he could do it. Very impressive. And other than Dom's small oil leak nothing broke, so all in all it was a good day with great weather. Hope the leak problem is not anything major.--Bob

[cvette98pacecar]

I was there for the magical 160mph run. It was a sight to see when the MPH sign flashed 160.47. It was nice to see Al's Z spank all comers that were in the same class.
I am going to talk to Blake and see if he would create a third class. NA manufacturer equipped.
While Al's Car is heavily modified it does have the original motor from pan to hat (Plenum in our case) and the original electronics.

[XfireZ51]

I'm having an issue uploading my iPhone .mov files to Photobucket. Anybody got a solution. Have 2 vids of Al's car.

[PhillipsLT5]

This is a rolling start, correct?
Can you break out if you are rolling too fast?

[ALZR1]

This is a rolling start, correct?
Can you break out if you are rolling too fast?

No it's not A rolling start,although you can have that the cones are 200 feet out.
No you can't break out it's not set-up like 1/4 mile runs.

Al.

[XfireZ51]

OK guys. Here's a couple of Al's runs from WGF Jun2014

http://youtu.be/NdJo3v7EuJU

http://youtu.be/Zl9vWkGrjJg

[XfireZ51]

A few more vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZUjn5K1zeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cN4DEJ7ZKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GahF-zO6VSA&feature=youtu.be

I love Matt Farah's comments. And then somebody asks if that's a ZR1 and someone else answers "They're both ZR-1s"

I love it.

[Paul Workman]

A few more vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZUjn5K1zeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cN4DEJ7ZKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GahF-zO6VSA&feature=youtu.be

I love Matt Farah's comments. And then somebody asks if that's a ZR1 and someone else answers "They're both ZR-1s"

I love it.

Great vids, Dom! Great runs Al! Really cooked em!

[XfireZ51]

Great vids, Dom! Great runs Al! Really cooked em!

Al's buddy took some of them. I was able to upload them to my YouTube account. If he could get some traction, look out. I guess AMS put out a little blurb about the event this weekend and said the weather was crap. However, the event was great. I thought a bit of a better job this year than last. But the "lunch" was a bit of a joke and I still think they are staging things the wrong way. Having said that, it's cool to move down the runway. I was able to put the car in Neutral at the end of run and then clamp down on the brakes w room to spare.

[GOLDCYLON]

Nice runs Al :cheers:

[emmvette]

Wish I could have been there to run and support you guys. I should be out of my hand / wrist cast in a month; if you guys make the run in October, I'll be there.

[XfireZ51]

Wish I could have been there to run and support you guys. I should be out of my hand / wrist cast in a month; if you guys make the run in October, I'll be there.

People came from quite a distance. Fox body Cobra w Whipple drove 900miles from N.Dakota. They were there from Florida, Nebraska, Minnesota, Georgia, Wisconsin, etc.

[PhillipsLT5]

Al, wow 160 at the 1/2 mile, sure would like to see it @ Mojave for 1 or 1.5 mile

[ALZR1]

Al, wow 160 at the 1/2 mile, sure would like to see it @ Mojave for 1 or 1.5 mile


Yeah that sure would be nice 1 to 1.5 mile.someday I will try that.
and thanks for all the compliments guys.


AL.:cheers:

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Sorry I missed the LT5's roar. Nice runs!!

[Paul Workman]

Not to mention, there were some really rare exotics there - eye candy for any car lover.

The GT40 is one of my favorite cars. This supercharged Ford GT40 is owned by a guy that also has a ZR-1 with, he says, less than 500 miles. "I bought it as an investment". That hasn't worked out so well tho" he said.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x220/6PPC_bucket/GT406-22-14halfmileevent_zpsb7d0fe7b.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/user/6PPC_bucket/media/GT406-22-14halfmileevent_zpsb7d0fe7b.jpg.html)

Also there was a Lambo and a Ferrari 458, and a 560 hp Ford V8 powered Sunbeam there that was fun to watch. I spoke with the owner - really nice, down to earth guy.

Racing or watching, these 1/2 mile events are fun and exciting to watch!

[XfireZ51]

A completely different crowd than what you find at the drag strip. Machinery is much more sophisticated. People aren't putting junk up on the track that they just slapped together. At these speeds, you'd be toast.

[XfireZ51]

Here's the note AMS wrote regarding their impressions of the event. After reading this, it makes you want to see a TT LT-5 line up and watch some eyes get wide. If Al did 160 on ALL MOTOR, imagine a TT w NOS like these GTRs run.

"HOT AND HUMID but what weekend.

First and foremost congrats to all of our customers who put down fantastic times in that swamp heat this weekend!

* Mike, your car is a F'n animal and you sir are one of the coolest and collected guys I know. 213.0682mph is FLYING!
8.8@182 in the 1/4 on the V-box......WOW!

* Gidi, If there is a more passionate GT-R owner out there I haven't met him yet. 210mph in 2640ft... Incredible. you must of made 8-9 passes. You battled a weird Syvecs issue all weekend but thankfully we got it resolved. Too bad it was too late to get one last run in.

* Matt's ALPHA 9 on 100 octane was doing work all weekend. He was hot lapping that thing to 175mph pass after pass after pass.

* Ray's ALPHA 9 on pump gas I'm told touched 170mph which is fantastic for a pump gas ALPHA 9

* Nick's Ronin blasted off a very stout 175mph pass on Saturday before being ousted by the monsoon that rolled on us.

* Brian's TSM build ALPHA 12 juuust missed the 200 mark with a 199. In those conditions that's outstanding!

* CMC's police cruiser 3.8 ALPHA 12 with a TSM E85 tune put down a 200mph pass on Saturday. REALLY stout considering the extra weight from all the Police lights lol.

* Our shop ALPHA 10 997 Porsche put down a very respectable 183mph pass.


The Nth Moto guys are class acts and that car is honestly a rolling work of art. We are a hard group to impress but they did just that. In regards to the times being identical down to the ten thousandth of a second its a bit hard to swallow but what can you do. Both cars deserve honors for what they did. The GT-R crowd can take comfort in the fact that it seems the only real competition we have comes in the form of twin turbo V10's... I will take that


On to Omega:

SpecV, Omega has ran an Air to water cooler for a LONG time. We have stated that several times on here.

Saturday and Sunday's weather was crap...but it was crap for everyone else too. Ivan went out to make what would be his only pass for the event. The car was MOVING. At the 2050ft mark at about 38psi it hit 210mph. Unfortunately right at that point she kicked off an intercooler pipe and it took out the fender so the run was over and he coasted to 204mph at the stripe. With 600ft more to accelerate we can only speculate to what number it would of hit.

Upon returning to the pit Ivan noticed that the car was pushing a bit of coolant. Between that and the IC pipe our day was over. Thankfully we had some customer cars willing to carry the torch and boy did they ever!

This is part of the process when you push boundaries. If it was easy everyone would do it. The good news is we have a great team here that are as motivated as they come ready to tackle anything that comes at them. She will be back out better than ever before you know it.

Thank you again to everyone that came out drivers and spectators alike. What a phenomenal weekend. Now I need to go see if we can get a group buy on some Aloe Vera gel.... It's a lobster net at AMS!

Eric"

[XfireZ51]

Some additional info on the TT Viper that took the marbles away from AMS GTRs

Nth Moto's twin turbo Dodge Viper that took home all the trophies this past weekend.

Some facts you may find interesting...

• Full weight car plus a 10 pt NHRA certified roll cage.
• The car runs oiled cone style air filters at all times.
• Race maintenance consists only of detailing the car, adding ice to the intercooler system, warming the tires, pulling data logs, raising the boost, and waiting for the next round.
• No component failures since the car was completed.
• No nitrous.
• No slicks or cheater slicks. Rear tires are real 18" DOT drag radials.
• AEM Infinity ECU, traction control, and boost control is out of this world amazing! No other boxes or expanders required!

Here's a vid of that Viper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kiGrjOIOw8

[John Boothby]

Not to mention, there were some really rare exotics there - eye candy for any car lover.

Also there was a Lambo and a Ferrari 458, and a 560 hp Ford V8 powered Sunbeam there that was fun to watch. I spoke with the owner - really nice, down to earth guy.!

Back in 1967 I was just back from Okinawa on leave, and car shopping. One sunday, I spotted a Sunbeam Tiger (poor man's cobra) at a dealership. Back then they were closed on sunday's. Monday morning bright and early, I went down to buy it. IT WAS GONE! They said they sold it. I couldn't beleive they sold it that fast. I ended up at the Chevy dealer and bought a brand new '68 Camaro for $3,011!!

[Schrade]

You think you were gunshy? Coulda' done better ET's?

[XfireZ51]

Back in 1967 I was just back from Okinawa on leave, and car shopping. One sunday, I spotted a Sunbeam Tiger (poor man's cobra) at a dealership. Back then they were closed on sunday's. Monday morning bright and early, I went down to buy it. IT WAS GONE! They said they sold it. I couldn't beleive they sold it that fast. I ended up at the Chevy dealer and bought a brand new '68 Camaro for $3,011!!

You missed out on Maxwell Smart's car. Probably missed out on getting 99 too!

[WARP TEN]

........Also there was a Lambo and a Ferrari 458, and a 560 hp Ford V8 powered Sunbeam there that was fun to watch. I spoke with the owner - really nice, down to earth guy.....

What Paul didn't mention is the Tiger guy said he regularly runs 11.2 sec quarter miles at 130, and I think he did 154 at the half mile. I believe he said his Ford small block is bored and stroked to 363 c.i. Here he is sitting next to Warp Ten--Bob

[Paul Workman]

Sorry I missed the LT5's roar. Nice runs!!

There is another running in October. Might want to get in on that!?

If I can get my last winter mods done, I may give it a go. Otherwise, I'll certainly watch. (Considering cams this winter...we'll see. )

[XfireZ51]

What Paul didn't mention is the Tiger guy said he regularly runs 11.2 sec quarter miles at 130, and I think he did 154 at the half mile. I believe he said his Ford small block is bored and stroked to 363 c.i. Here he is sitting next to Warp Ten--Bob

Well what a matchup that would make between the Sunbeam and Pete's ZR!!

[Paul Workman]

Well what a matchup that would make between the Sunbeam and Pete's ZR!!

Yep! I wuz thinking the same thing!

[ZZZZZR1]

On my last run I was able to get 160.468 MPH.Traction was problem for me.
I think there was two other c5 that were faster than me N/A,one of them was
A red c5 had A 474 ci lsx motor built high plenum and the car lighter as well and the other was A white c5 ZO6 I'm not sure what he ran or what it had
as far as the motor.
next time drag radials and I think i'll get 160+ all day.We'll just wait for the October running.



AL.

Congrats Al!!!!!!!!!! Your car is a true monster!!!

:proud:

David

[PhillipsLT5]

Yep! I wuz thinking the same thing!

I sure would not want to be in the other lane next to a sunbeam @ 150
Can that car really go straight?
Then again I would probably be behind him with those #'s

[XfireZ51]

I sure would not want to be in the other lane next to a sunbeam @ 150
Can that car really go straight?
Then again I would probably be behind him with those #'s

The car is a bullet!

[ALZR1]

The car is a bullet!

It looks like Matt Farah has been invited back to be the announcer again.:cheers:

AL.

[PhillipsLT5]

I raced with Matt @ Mojave a couple of times, loved spanking his Porsche the 1st time, but he had the last laugh the 2nd time with a ZR1, no dash, Really nice guy, good times, true car guy

[XfireZ51]

It looks like Matt Farah has been invited back to be the announcer again.:cheers:

AL.

His commentary made it fun. Sounds like some of us may be back in October.
Save the dates guys. Oct. 12.

[LGAFF]

I am in with either the 91 368 if it gets done or the 90....we need a set of FBI community racing tires....everybody get a run in on some racing slicks....

[Paul Workman]

October is usually cool(er) and dry. The morning DA would favor some really quick passes, me thinks! Maybe Bob G and Kevin too can join in the fray!

My big milestone would be reaching 150 mph. But, using the power "square law" for velocity, I don't think the mods I have in mind are going to give me 40-50 more hp that it would take to get that high (put me right up there near Pete's motor - ain't gonna happen this year).

However, before the next 1/2 mile WANNAGOFAST event, the CPCC 1/4 mile Corvette Shootout will hopefully come in September - and the ZR-1s and the FBI will be the defending champions again! Do we know how to have fun, OR WHAT?? :fahne:

[XfireZ51]

Come on guys. How can you possibly resist this? It's gear head porn!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-v2-tVz4CNck/U6wxz5N5BHI/AAAAAAAAICE/FkbQ8wV0zDA/w1598-h899-no/DJI00297.JPG

[PhillipsLT5]

Looks good even with Xmas tree
How is this for 1 or 1.5 mile
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[XfireZ51]

Here's some further information regarding a controversy on speed and timing.
Could AL have actually had 2 runs identical down to the 10000th" Hmmm.


Hey Peter! Yes, we certainly cannot control the results. I have just spoken with the company and they have assured me the results were not "duplicates" but real speeds recorded separately for each pass. There was actually a pass made in between the GT-R and Viper passes and it did not have the same speed. The Viper and GT-R were extremely close throughout the day so honestly the tie does not surprise me. There is only so many values you can get in a 66ft speed trap so we are now looking at upgrading to a 132ft trap in order to lessen the chance of people running the same speed. At the end of the day everyone had a great time and our speed equipment ran perfectly, which allowed everyone to get tons of passes in

Official Results for class winners should be posted by tomorrow!

[ALZR1]

Here's some further information regarding a controversy on speed and timing.
Could AL have actually had 2 runs identical down to the 10000th" Hmmm.


Hey Peter! Yes, we certainly cannot control the results. I have just spoken with the company and they have assured me the results were not "duplicates" but real speeds recorded separately for each pass. There was actually a pass made in between the GT-R and Viper passes and it did not have the same speed. The Viper and GT-R were extremely close throughout the day so honestly the tie does not surprise me. There is only so many values you can get in a 66ft speed trap so we are now looking at upgrading to a 132ft trap in order to lessen the chance of people running the same speed. At the end of the day everyone had a great time and our speed equipment ran perfectly, which allowed everyone to get tons of passes in

Official Results for class winners should be posted by tomorrow!

if nothing was wrong with their equipment than I do have two identical time slips that exactly to the 10000th.I still don't believe it.
run #3 159.6877 and run #4 159.6877

AL.

[XfireZ51]

If they increase the trap length, won't that lower trap speeds?

[Paul Workman]

if nothing was wrong with their equipment than I do have two identical time slips that exactly to the 10000th.I still don't believe it.
run #3 159.6877 and run #4 159.6877

AL.

Well, on the flip side, is it impossible to average the same speed (in the trap) twice? IMPOSSIBLE?? I dunno, Al. But, maybe you shoulda bought a LOTTERY TICKET last Sunday!:p

If they increase the trap length, won't that lower trap speeds?

Quite possibly; depending on acceleration through the trap: The greater the acceleration between the gates, the greater the distance/time value is going to vary from the peak speed. Narrowing the distance between the gates gets closer to the top speed, but errors internal to the equipment increases the ambiguity of the results too.

Bottom line: Regardless of the trap length (distance between the start/stop gates), neither the existing nor proposed additional length guarantees there won't be two or more identical speeds. IT COULD STILL HAPPEN, in other words.

[BigJohn]

Come on guys. How can you possibly resist this? It's gear head porn!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-v2-tVz4CNck/U6wxz5N5BHI/AAAAAAAAICE/FkbQ8wV0zDA/w1598-h899-no/DJI00297.JPG

I know they would make me clean up the black marks; like when I was in High School!!!!
:(

[XfireZ51]

Paul,

There were several cars on both days where the exact same speed was recorded for sequential runs. That's what makes it very suspicious. From my point of view, I want to know what the speed is AT THE LINE, not an average speed.

[Paul Workman]

Paul,

There were several cars on both days where the exact same speed was recorded for sequential runs. That's what makes it very suspicious. From my point of view, I want to know what the speed is AT THE LINE, not an average speed.

Yeah, I didn't know there were several sequential runs with the same speeds. You're right. That does raise an eyebrow, doanit!?:confused:

I hear ya, far as speed at the line vs. average. But, as long as speed = distance/time, the only way to approach the pinnacle is by narrowing the distance.

However, practically speaking, errors introduced by the chronograph is typically a fixed value - a certain amount of fixed time error (related to signal pulse response detection/lag and timer clock frequency, etc.), and not a fixed percentage of the calculated value. So, the shorter the time between gates, the greater the ambiguity is, due to that fixed measurement accuracy error inherent to the measuring device.

That's where a Doppler radar differs in its approach. The speed is determined by the frequency shift in the arriving pulses compared to the transmitted pulses. And, with "peak hold" software, the peak speed could be recorded regardless of where on the track it occurred. Just a thought.

[XfireZ51]

Paul,

After all this is a TOP SPEED event, so it would seem to me that other organizers have figured out the equipment thing long time ago. I think the Doppler would be best approach Have redundant guns.

[Paul Workman]

Paul,

After all this is a TOP SPEED event, so it would seem to me that other organizers have figured out the equipment thing long time ago. I think the Doppler would be best approach Have redundant guns.

Well, I don't know that just because this is a TOP SPEED event one could assume "somebody" figured it all out: e.g., did (Blake?) not suggest using a longer trap (i.e., wider gates)? That indicates to me they are still proposing using a chronograph - which is still distance/time = average.

Yes. Dual "speed guns" would solve all this trap stuff. And, if we really want NASA-esque accuracy, a third radar used as a tie-breaker could be employed. And, straddling the finish line with the gates would also mitigate most(?) of the error introduce by acceleration through the gates.

And, what is not considered here is a measuring device needs to be able to measure (time in this case) to a factor least 10 times greater resolution than the least significant digit. In other words, if mph is measured to 1/10,000 seconds, the measuring device must be able to measure to 1/100,000 in order to round up to the next nearest 1/10,000th.

An even bigger question might be: is the resulting mph measured or extrapolated (mathematically) by virtue of the values considered?

If legitimately measured, fine; we have a legitimate value. But, if it is an extrapolation, the result is invalid.

[I]*For example: Given the integers 13 ÷ 7 = 1.85714285714 (to "only" 11 places). If the measurement device is only capable of measurement accuracy to integer level (whole numbers), then the decimal fraction (numbers to the right of the decimal) is bogus. In other words, if (some chrony) was only capable of measuring to 1/100 (rounded to 1/10th) then the second, third, fourth, etc. significant digit on up are meaningless.

At some point this gets way to serious for the average driver (me included). But, at what point is the limit for practical accuracy? Opinions vary, I'm sure.

Paul

[Pete]

Hey Paul
I didn't know you speak Greek LOL
You said chronograph in Greek chrono means time and graph or graphee means write put them togather and you get write time or vice versa.

Paul,we just have to baptize you and you'll be an official Greek :)

Pete

[XfireZ51]

Paul,

Do you understand what Pete means by "baptizing" you Greek. It's sorta like somebody saying "You sure have a puurty mouth." BAAAAAAHHHHHH!

[Pete]

Paul,

Do you understand what Pete means by "baptizing" you Greek. It's sorta like somebody saying "You sure have a puurty mouth." BAAAAAAHHHHHH!


LMFAO
Too Funny
Dom,now that you mention it Paul sure does have a puurdy :censored:

Pete

[Paul Workman]

LMFAO
Too Funny
Dom,now that you mention it Paul sure does have a puurdy :censored:

Pete

I'm flattered, Pete. I never knew you noticed!:p

Pete... With the thought of a "Greek baptism" in mind, I'll bet I could run the half mile as fast as my Z will go!

How-some-ever...Speaking of baptizing n puurdy :censored:, I saw that movie too! But, maybe you should know that my vast experience with my personal chronograph is the one I use to measure muzzle velocity pertaining to that "other hobby" of mine.... LOL!

[XfireZ51]

August 15, registration for October opens.

[cvette98pacecar]

August 15, registration for October opens.

Im in.

[rhipsher]

Good looking car Al.

[edram454]

Loved watching your runs Al. Your car is awesome. It really hauls and sounds great. Thanks for preparing your car so well and showing the public what a LT5 can do. Congratulations and Thank You.

ed ramos #3028

[ALZR1]

Loved watching your runs Al. Your car is awesome. It really hauls and sounds great. Thanks for preparing your car so well and showing the public what a LT5 can do. Congratulations and Thank You.

ed ramos #3028

thanks guys I do appreciate the compliments.


AL.

[XfireZ51]

Gentlemen,

Just read that Bult Field has been sold to IDOT. The October event has been cancelled unfortunately. WGF is looking for another venue in the Midwest, but for now it looks like top speed racing is done for the year in the Chicagoland area.
I understand the Michigan Mile was also cancelled.

I'm sure Blake (@wannaGOFAST) will also create a thread on this but I just saw this come across FB

Quote:
It is with a very heavy heart that we must inform everyone that as of June 30th Bult Field in Monee, IL has been sold to the Illinois Department of Transportation.

This government organization has no desire to allow us to host our events anymore, therefore we must cancel our October 11-12th, 2014 Chicago 1/2 Mile Shootout.

We want to sincerely thank all of our sponsors, participants and fans who made this event such a huge success in a very small period of time. You welcomed our staff to your city with open arms and we enjoyed meeting each and everyone of you.

We hope that all of you enjoyed the event as much as all of our staff did and that you got to really experience your cars the way you've always wanted.....as this has been our intention with these events since Day 1.

Please know that we are not giving up on the MidWest and that we are currently searching for a new home for this event.

Take care fellow MidWest GOFAST Family and we hope to have some great news for you in the future!
Kindest Regards,
-Blake & the WGF Crew

[Paul Workman]

Well, that sucks. The Illinois StateTreasury is hemorrhaging as it is. WTF are they buying private aircraft airports for anyway?:mad:

[LGAFF]

Too bad Lake in the hills airport is only .72 miles I think they would do something like this...they are pushing to generate more revenue

[WARP TEN]

Here is a copy of the article in the Trib. It is the Illinois Dept. of Transportation. Part of the land grab for the Peotone airport where all the politicians and their friends probably own land. Paid $34 million of our money for 288 acres or about ten times the value of good Illinois farmland, and ten times the amount paid for the first 3,315 acres bought. Somebody knows somebody I'll bet. Aren't Illinois politics wonderful. -Bob