Corvette Museum

[Schrade]

There should be no need for multiple "ping"s. A few pings is all that is needed to be registered in the "arp" cache in each server/router along the path. Once in the arp cashe(table) it does indeed "lubricate" the flow in that the DNS lookup for the target no longer needs to be looked up. A better way is a trace route (tracert) command since on most servers the info is kept longer (timeout for data).
There are various incantations of this but the simplest is:
tracert corvettemuseum.org
Then sit back and watch the path your network request takes through all them there pieces of hardware.

Another little secret is to do multiple browser requests for the address. That is if you notice a delay in getting to you target address simply resubmit the address OR "refresh" the page request. It's like punching a hole through a clogged sewer line with a snake :blahblah:
Doesn't mater what browser, what OS, what hardware or what day of the week it is. This works.

You're a little over my head there Scott...

But it seems that once you HAVE the datapath to corvettemuseum.org domain established in ONE browser page, do you HAVE TO establish it again, with more browser pages to the site? Won't that 'clog' your OWN hardware - again, IF you already have the datapath established???

And even if you do NOT, isn't the syn-ack the first order?


Anyway, they did WELL dropping the '93 rubber down. Well done guys! http://www.zr1.net/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.zr1.net/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif http://www.zr1.net/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Wonder why they didn't drop it on to a dolly?

Anyone know where they drove the Z to? None of the other cams showed a truck outside the museum, and none showed the Z outside... Is it inside the museum elsewhere???


Ok guys I'm gonna really sound like a dumb here - but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
No idea what Linux or Unix is. I run Vista on a 5 yr old HP laptop. What is a "command line interface"? Or a "tracert"? Now the "multiple browser request" deal I can figure that out. Just keep hittin "refresh" on the webcam page correct?
ed.:
I'm not sure if Scott was agreeing with me there racinfan, but either way, to get a command line in Windows, click Start, then 'Run, and in the dialogue box, type cmd.exe. That give a Command Line Interface. Type ping corvettemuseum.exe. Your computer will send a rudimentary signal to corvettemuseum.org. Kind of like saying 'Hello'? Are you there? "Keep Talking To Me here".

Linux is a free operating system. Better than Windows is EVERY WAY. You can try it without changing your own PC. Download it [Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Long Term Support) ], burn a CD, and re-boot up from CD.

[Racinfan83]

Well Miss Ruby don't look so good....

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/Racinfan83/Erics%20Other%20Stuff/RubyVette.jpg

[Schrade]

Well Miss Ruby don't look so good....

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/Racinfan83/Erics%20Other%20Stuff/RubyVette.jpg

Are you at the museum racinfan? Anyone else on the boards there?

[scottfab]

Are you at the museum racinfan? Anyone else on the boards there?

I think this is from Webcam Skydome 2

Here is a video of one of the recoveries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SYXGtbAe4w

And since there seems to be a path resolution issue to the Webcam Skydome camera, here is a direct link for tomorrow
if the same should happen:
http://ncm-skydome.click2stream.com/

[Fully Vetted]

I can't get a feed from that link anymore.

[Fully Vetted]

Maybe they will crank up production of some windshields for us. They will need some if they're going to restore them back to original.

[scottfab]

I can't get a feed from that link anymore.

You can use this direct link:
http://ncm-skydome.click2stream.com/
and also
http://ncm-skydome2.click2stream.com/

These links should be good tomorrow IF the path from the NCM webpage fails again.

[Racinfan83]

Are you at the museum racinfan? Anyone else on the boards there?

No I got this pic from the NCM Facebook site.

I will try that command line thing. Thanks for explaining!

[USAFPILOT]

ruby red LT1 is jacked up

[Blue Flame Restorations]

40th is mostly cosmetic. Body panel replacement on a C4 is nothing compared to most other generations of the marque.

[ZZZZZR1]

40th is mostly cosmetic. Body panel replacement on a C4 is nothing compared to most other generations of the marque.

Believe it or not...

The Ruby is WORSE than it looks according to first hand accounts.

:cry:

David

[efnfast]

Yeah, and it was on top.

[Schrade]

Maybe they will crank up production of some windshields for us. They will need some if they're going to restore them back to original.

All camstreams went down late PM; I called about 4:15 local - she said IT guys were working on it.

I was getting 'Forbidden Access' (Apache servers); thought they had begun paid access perhaps.

racinfan - are you 'Erics'? Which cam got the snappic that you posted there?

[USAZR1]

Believe it or not...

The Ruby is WORSE than it looks according to first hand accounts.

:cry:

David


:cry::cry::cry:

[Racinfan83]

All camstreams went down late PM; I called about 4:15 local - she said IT guys were working on it.

I was getting 'Forbidden Access' (Apache servers); thought they had begun paid access perhaps.

racinfan - are you 'Erics'? Which cam got the snappic that you posted there?

Yep - I am "Eric". I don't know which cam - I would assume one of the NCM staffers took the pics. They put up the one I posted and two more on the NCM Facebook page - I saved that one to my computer so I could upload it to Photobucket and post it on here....

If you are on Facebook - the NCM page and also Mid America Motorworks page have been posting quite a bit of stuff about it..

[Paul Workman]

A comment by a local TV news dude in Chicago on Monday remarked that Mustang owners were laughing about the NCM sinkhole and Corvette enthusiasts.[-X

Well.... Just wait till THEIR museum has a sinkhole open up under it!! Oh, wait. They don't have a museum?? Harumph...

[taximan]

I am not sure who made the decision to start up that ZR1 right after it came out of the hole. But it looks like it may have cost them an engine. They fired it up, drove away and left about 8 quarts of oil on the ground.

Why would you start up a car that had that kind of damage without checking it out on a lift first ???

[Z51JEFF]

I am not sure who made the decision to start up that ZR1 right after it came out of the hole. But it looks like it may have cost them an engine. They fired it up, drove away and left about 8 quarts of oil on the ground.

Why would you start up a car that had that kind of damage without checking it out on a lift first ???

I would venture to say once the oil pressure dropped too much the motor would die,safety precaution built into the ECM.I for one was glad to hear that car start.Kind of like telling the sinkhole,kiss my @$$!;)

[RHanselman]

All camstreams went down late PM; I called about 4:15 local - she said IT guys were working on it.

I was getting 'Forbidden Access' (Apache servers); thought they had begun paid access perhaps.

racinfan - are you 'Erics'? Which cam got the snappic that you posted there?

Just wondering...

Are you a corvette museum stalker? [-X :mrgreen: (Attempt at humor… for those of you trying to find if I broke any rules…)

Cheers,

[Hog]

I would venture to say once the oil pressure dropped too much the motor would die,safety precaution built into the ECM.I for one was glad to hear that car start.Kind of like telling the sinkhole,kiss my @$$!;)

Huge advertisement having it pulled from underground and then started up and drive away. It was a GM owned car, I wouldnt be surprised if the order to start and drive away came from GM itself.

Its only an LS9 anyways. Cookie cutter engine. GM has a few thousand laying around.

If any fuel injected car starts, that means it has oil pressure. Its a safety feature for a potential crash site. No oil pressure kicks out the fuel pumps, if it didnt an over turned or wrecked car's fuel pump would empty its fuel tank onto the ground. No oil pressure, no fuel pressure, less fire risk to 1st aiders, not to save the engine itself.

[Jim Nolan]

A comment by a local TV news dude in Chicago on Monday remarked that Mustang owners were laughing about the NCM sinkhole and Corvette enthusiasts.[-X

Well.... Just wait till THEIR museum has a sinkhole open up under it!! Oh, wait. They don't have a museum?? Harumph...

There are mustang museums all over the country they are called junkyards.

[XfireZ51]

Huge advertisement having it pulled from underground and then started up and drive away. It was a GM owned car, I wouldnt be surprised if the order to start and drive away came from GM itself.

Its only an LS9 anyways. Cookie cutter engine. GM has a few thousand laying around.

If any fuel injected car starts, that means it has oil pressure. Its a safety feature for a potential crash site. No oil pressure kicks out the fuel pumps, if it didnt an over turned or wrecked car's fuel pump would empty its fuel tank onto the ground. No oil pressure, no fuel pressure, less fire risk to 1st aiders, not to save the engine itself.

Hog,

I think you are correct. Something tells me that scene will find its way into a commercial. Takes a licking and comes up ticking.
My 84 had an oil pressure switch by distributor that completed circuit for fuel pump. Wow! That's 30 years ago. :eek:

[Hog]

Hog,

I think you are correct. Something tells me that scene will find its way into a commercial. Takes a licking and comes up ticking.
My 84 had an oil pressure switch by distributor that completed circuit for fuel pump. Wow! That's 30 years ago. :eek:
Wow, 30 years ago, it doesnt seem that long ago.

My fleet of 1997-98 Vortec 350 L31 trucks are some of the last distributer equipped vehicles, 2002-2003 vans were the last. These L31 engines use teh same high voltage coils that the LT1/LT4;'s use, and they eat distributer caps/rotors. I change them every year and actually notice seat of the pants power improvements. Such a high voltage cannabalizes the contact points. Its one of the reasons that GM went with CNP in 1997 in the LS1. The 1st BBC to go CNP was the 1998 L21 which is pretty much a Vortec 454 but with CNP(Coil Near Plugs) and ETC(electronic Throttle control) then for MY2000 the L18 8.1 496 GEN 7 BBC came about.

IIRC there is an oil pressure/fuel pump switch on the drivers side of the
block on the 1996-1999 GMT 400(88-98) GM trucks.

[Schrade]

Just wondering...

Are you a corvette museum stalker? [-X :mrgreen: (Attempt at humor… for those of you trying to find if I broke any rules…)

Cheers,

That's 'MR. NCM Stalker SIR', to you.

Now, where's that 'TRole' Call / Ignore List Button here.............

Cheers TO 'ya! ;)

[XfireZ51]

Hog,

I used MSD components. Had a MSD 6A along w MSD HEI coil w Accel module.
Had good success w that. Drilled holes in cap to relieve ionization.

[Hog]

Anyone have a live feed for the camera that actually shows the mancage at work? I am only able to get the other camera that shows the red pillar that blocks the actual view of the work.

thanks

[Hog]

Anyone have a live feed for the camera that actually shows the mancage at work? I am only able to get the other camera that shows the red pillar that blocks the actual view of the work.

thanks

This is the only 1 that works for me.

[RyanChappel]

There is a photo on the Buyavette (Atlanta) website of the 40th after it was pulled out of the sinkhole...every body panel is trashed, windshield and windshield frame is destroyed...full of dirt and gravel...what a shame..

[Racinfan83]

Well they just pulled the millionth Vette out. Said they had the opportunity so they went ahead and got it. Only one pic on the page you really can't tell what shape its in...

[grahambehan]

Well they just pulled the millionth Vette out. Said they had the opportunity so they went ahead and got it. Only one pic on the page you really can't tell what shape its in...

That's cool one of the few LT1 cars that means something to me, I was at the plant as that car rolled off the line:cheers:

Graham.

[Schrade]

Well they just pulled the millionth Vette out. Said they had the opportunity so they went ahead and got it. Only one pic on the page you really can't tell what shape its in...

I was afraid that ... that they were gonna' 'RIP and KLUDGE' it out, before getting an excavator's vacuum in there and do a little housecleanin' first...

Wheel showin' on the 1984 PPG Pace Car - RIP N Kludge opportunity there !

GET A VACUUM !!!!!


http://img.directindustry.com/pdf/repository_di/41264/fx50-vacuum-excavator-357037_1b.jpg

[scottfab]

Looks like they tried to pull the next one up but stopped then disconnected and pulled up the hoist. maybe too much soil on it and it's too heavy.

[Schrade]

Looks like they tried to pull the next one up but stopped then disconnected and pulled up the hoist. maybe too much soil on it and it's too heavy.

Which one you talkin' about there Scott?

I couldn't get cam1 before... got it now here.

What's the wrinkled greenish thing? Not a hood I'm hopin' here? Looks like not enough starch, whatever it is there.............................

[Hog]

Ruby Vette
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb373/Paul_Schermerhorn/Cars/rubyvette_zpsad2a5942.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Paul_Schermerhorn/media/Cars/rubyvette_zpsad2a5942.jpg.html)

[Schrade]

Is that Blackout on the Parking lenses OEM stuff?

Any other C4's get blackout in the Parking lenses?

[scottfab]

Which one you talkin' about there Scott?

I couldn't get cam1 before... got it now here.

What's the wrinkled greenish thing? Not a hood I'm hopin' here? Looks like not enough starch, whatever it is there.............................

Not really sure but has a yellow strap on it.
http://www.zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2472

[Moonlk]

Is that Blackout on the Parking lenses OEM stuff?

Any other C4's get blackout in the Parking lenses?

My white 93 LT1 had the lights black framed like that.

[We Gone]

Is that Blackout on the Parking lenses OEM stuff?

Any other C4's get blackout in the Parking lenses?


Factory from 91 to 95.. 96 did not have it.

Looks like the 84 PPG car is out

[Kevin]

96 had body colored between the nose and the side of the nose

[scottfab]

The best that I could grab them. http://www.zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2473
http://www.zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2474
http://www.zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2475
http://www.zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2476
http://www.zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2477
http://www.zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2478

[scottfab]

And a few more. Looks like they're done for today.
http://www.zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2479
http://www.zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2480
http://www.zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=194&pictureid=2481

[efnfast]

I didn't see that come out today. I thought anything else they were digging for.

[Hog]

Is that car the 1984 PPG Corvette Pace Car pictured?

Did they get the Millionth produced car out? Is there 5 cars out now?

[Racinfan83]

Yeah they have five out. The millionth is out and they just got the Ppg car out. That one is really bad... flattened on top and back 1/4 is just gone. The NCM person on FB said it was "karate chopped " by a giant slab of concrete... I would grab a pic off and post but I'm at work on my phone and its too difficult..

[scottfab]

I didn't see that come out today. I thought anything else they were digging for.

I think this one was under a slab or two of concrete.

[Schrade]

What's the wrinkled greenish thing? Not a hood I'm hopin' here? Looks like not enough starch, whatever it is there.............................

The wrinkled greenish thing is a tarp, to keep stuff from falling onto the Spyder?

:confused:

[scottfab]

So what's yet left in the hole? Not much going on this morning.
I would think some dirt has to get move out.

[XfireZ51]

They said something about not having been able to see 2 of the cars. Also sounds like they could be using what Schrade was suggesting, a huge vacuum cleaner, before they move further.

[Racinfan83]

Yeah I read that earlier - that they were bringing in some kind of big vacuum deal to get the dirt out. At least they won't have to haul it very far....:p

[scottfab]

Not a lot getting done today but standing and leaning on brooms. Oh well the last few days have been exciting.

[Schrade]

Yeah I read that earlier - that they were bringing in some kind of big vacuum deal to get the dirt out. At least they won't have to haul it very far....:p


That's probably EXACTLY what they're trying to figure - move the dirt FROM the hole, to put it back in the hole later, OR, move it WITHIN the hole, to the deeper corner cavities.

But without knowing where 2 of the cars are exactly, the latter - more practical option isn't an option yet.

GPR radar?

They should have checked for the cars when they checked the integrity of the rest of the museum grounds on day 2...

[Paul Workman]

You can see how big the holes are in the bottom of the pit. If any cars went down one of them, like this one dang near did anyway, you can bet the chances are good we'll see some Chinese 'knock-off' C4s driving around soon.

C-link (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-general-discussion/3430638-the-1-000-000th-is-out.html)

[Tripler]

You can see how big the holes are in the bottom of the pit. If any cars went down one of them, like this one dang near did anyway, you can bet the chances are good we'll see some Chinese 'knock-off' C4s driving around soon.

C-link (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-general-discussion/3430638-the-1-000-000th-is-out.html)

:):):)

[efnfast]

Interesting, they're adding dirt to the hole.

[Schrade]

Interesting, they're adding dirt to the hole.

I saw that front end loader come in a minute ago, and go out...

:confused:



ok - they covered the corner of the Spyder with a tarp or something, and now they're dumping in dirt to fill the corner holes, after the 1mil car almost went down in one corner?????????

Why not re-locate some of the dirt in there NOW, to the corner holes, and uncover the other 3 cars in the process?

[scottfab]

...snip...

Why not re-locate some of the dirt in there NOW, to the corner holes, and uncover the other 3 cars in the process?

Ya have to wonder if there are more voids back in and under the remaining concrete. Scary thought. And what of the remaining structures, parking lot, etc ?

[Racinfan83]

They said on Facebook today they put a heavy tarp over the Spyder and then added a bunch of sand around it - to act as a "pillow" to protect it while they remove all the hanging and compromised concrete and shore up the walls. Guess they figure some of that will inevitably fall in there and didn't want to take any chances.
I get all this from the NCM Facebook site. "Like" it and you will see all of it and good pics as well. I guess if Ya'All aren't on FB I will just keep posting the updates... :cheers:

[Schrade]

They said on Facebook today they put a heavy tarp over the Spyder and then added a bunch of sand around it - to act as a "pillow" to protect it while they remove all the hanging and compromised concrete and shore up the walls. Guess they figure some of that will inevitably fall in there and didn't want to take any chances.
I get all this from the NCM Facebook site. "Like" it and you will see all of it and good pics as well. I guess if Ya'All aren't on FB I will just keep posting the updates... :cheers:

Sand. Good call. Lower angle of repose (dirty laundry stacked carefully in dorm room corner = HIGHEST AOR :mrgreen: ).

[Schrade]

3rd cam put in over sinkhole...

http://www.corvettemuseum.org/webcam/camera15.shtml

[efnfast]

Yeah, it filled in a nice blind spot.

[scottfab]

I see the usual group of white hats standing around looking into the hole this morning.

[efnfast]

At least we know they'll still be working on it when we get there in May.

[FU]

At least we know they'll still be working on it when we get there in May.

2014 or 2015 ?

[efnfast]

Both Frank.

[scottfab]

I'm really liking that third webcam. Best view in the house.
I just watched them lift a 20ft rod/poll and drop it into a small hole
located 20ft from the sink hole. They lowered it in with a wrench
attached half way up. Then backed the fork lift away. Then a guy calmly
walked over and removed the wrench whereupon the poll dropped in the hole
completely out of sight. Me thinks they are shoring up the area around the sink
hole making it more stable.

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2489
Below you can see the larger pipe. The small diameter pipe/rod was inserted inside
the larger pipe. I estimate the small rod to be 20 - 30ft long.
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2490

[Schrade]

I think a 3rd cam would be better served over the hole, OPPOSITE the support column...

[scottfab]

lots of activity at the base of the red cone today.
I saw some, what looked like, pumping of concrete into that area yesterday.

[scottfab]

Bringing in the big guns.
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2496

[We Gone]

Well at least they trust the floor that rig weights at least 35,000lbs!!

[scottfab]

Well at least they trust the floor that rig weights at least 35,000lbs!!

I figure that is why they pumped in concrete yesterday.
I bet the rig is there as a test of that work.

[Schrade]

Do they have a 3D of cars' locations?

They gonna' remove dirt? Or move it around IN the hole? Away from the cars?

[scottfab]

Do they have a 3D of cars' locations?

They gonna' remove dirt? Or move it around IN the hole? Away from the cars?

Either that or there is going to be a "burial at dirt".
They've got to vacuum out some dirt to get at what's left but
maybe there's some bean counting going on to justify not
getting them all out.

[Tripler]

It mus be hot in there !!! . I just saw them open some doors and they are hooking up industrial portable 3 foot fans ...

[Tripler]

I think a 3rd cam would be better served over the hole, OPPOSITE the support column...


I agree . A camera directly above the hole would be perfect :dancing:dancing:dancing

[Tripler]

Haha ,,,one guy sweeping and the others just watching . Are they government workers :) :) :)
They do know that the whole world is watching them right !!! ???

[Racinfan83]

Good thing they don't have webcams watching my work... Just sayin...:p

[BigJohn]

It mus be hot in there !!! . I just saw them open some doors and they are hooking up industrial portable 3 foot fans ...

It is to remove gases; like when I open a window before I start the Harley in the kitchen!!!

:neutral:

[XfireZ51]

Haha ,,,one guy sweeping and the others just watching . Are they government workers :) :) :)
They do know that the whole world is watching them right !!! ???

I guess the free market private sector actually can have its own set of "slackers". Isn't Kentucky a right to work state?

[-=Jeff=-]

It is to remove gases; like when I open a window before I start the Harley in the kitchen!!!

:neutral:

I figured it was something like this that you used

http://www.foodchannel.com/files/0001/3825/blender_blaster_medium.jpg

[scottfab]

I guess the free market private sector actually can have its own set of "slackers". Isn't Kentucky a right to work state?

I think they need to plan it out a bit first.

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2500

[BigJohn]

I figured it was something like this that you used

http://www.foodchannel.com/files/0001/3825/blender_blaster_medium.jpg


I like that, where did you get it??????????
:)

[scottfab]

They are prepping some sort of I-beam.
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2501

[efnfast]

They've cut some of the floor out, and are farting around with some I beams. Must be a union job, there are 47 of them scurrying around doing the work of 3.

[scottfab]

They've cut some of the floor out, and are farting around with some I beams. Must be a union job, there are 47 of them scurrying around doing the work of 3.

yup in the old days the whole project would be done by now of course it would have been done by a group of 12 year olds working 12 hour days 7 days a week but that would just be the cost of doing business. and who knows how many deaths there would have been doing the project. Oh well they're lucky to have had jobs.:-(

[-=Jeff=-]

I like that, where did you get it??????????
:)

that was just a google search

[RICKYRJ1]

yup in the old days the whole project would be done by now of course it would have been done by a group of 12 year olds working 12 hour days 7 days a week but that would just be the cost of doing business. and who knows how many deaths there would have been doing the project. Oh well they're lucky to have had jobs.:-(

somewhere in the middle is the truth of both statements :cheers:

[Schrade]

yup in the old days the whole project would be done by now of course it would have been done by a group of 12 year olds working 12 hour days 7 days a week but that would just be the cost of doing business. and who knows how many deaths there would have been doing the project. Oh well they're lucky to have had jobs.:-(

One death / $30 million in construction.

I spent a year batching concrete on the Neuse River / US 70 bridge, New Bern NC. $120 million, no deaths. One guy got raked across some Nelson studs, broken ribs, and a crane tipped over with a gashed forehead, and a fight over some found pot plants - no spleef on the jobsite guys http://www.tahoeforum.com/images/smilies/smokin.gif

[scottfab]

They just chipped out another piece. Progress....... slowly but surely.

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2502

[Vetman]

I would think the longer the other three cars are buried, the more moisture damage to the running gear would be occurring. Wish they would at least pull the spider out!!! Seems like they could do that fairly safely!!!

[scottfab]

Looks like they're starting to suck out dirt now that the overhang of concrete has been mostly removed.

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2505

[Schrade]

SkyDome Webcams 1, 2, 3 links not uplinking anymore?

[Dynomite]

SkyDome Webcams 1, 2, 3 links not uplinking anymore?

Yes they are on full operation...they are sucking out some debree.....

[Schrade]

Got it; new laptop w/Linux OS... (Windows W8 SHUT)

Good job with dirt vacuum............................... ;)

[Schrade]

I'm kinda' surprised here that they haven't sunk some I-Beams in front of the perimeter fissures - especially on the right, and put some retainment plating of some sort, in front of the loose dirt walls...

Looks like they're starting to suck out dirt now that the overhang of concrete has been mostly removed.

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2505

[scottfab]

G
...snip...

Good job with dirt vacuum............................... ;)

I gotta get me one of those for clean up after a project in my wood shop! I could just pull out the tools later on.

[scottfab]

Sure hope they don't cut so must as to let the red cone fall over [-X

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2510

[-=Jeff=-]

I think they need to just add a spiral stair way and make it a new lower level, then they can fit more cars :)

[scottfab]

I think they need to just add a spiral stair way and make it a new lower level, then they can fit more cars :)

They could fashion it into a large kitchen sink and put all the highly modified cars in it. They could call it "Everything but the Kitchen Sink".

[Schrade]

Another rock hoisted from the dirt...

[GOLDCYLON]

I think they need to just add a spiral stair way and make it a new lower level, then they can fit more cars :)


Hellouva elevator ride down for the cars although ;)

[scottfab]

More slabs out from the bottom. Getting closer......

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2511

[Schrade]

It is to remove gases; like when I open a window before I start the Harley in the kitchen!!!

:neutral:

You start the Harley in the KITCHEN???

Jeez... :rolleyes:

You might get food on the Harley!


ed.:
lunchtime in the hole. Brass is doin' assessment...


Fancy car-finding gizmo? Or maybe they're watchin' NCAA Brackets?

http://www.zr1.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3334&d=1395939113

[BigJohn]

You start the Harley in the KITCHEN???

Jeez... :rolleyes:

You might get food on the Harley!


ed.:
lunchtime in the hole. Brass is doin' assessment...


Fancy car-finding gizmo? Or maybe they're watchin' NCAA Brackets?

http://www.zr1.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3334&d=1395939113

Who eats at home any more?
Kitchen table is for rebulding carbs and heads.
The oven is for baking cookies and powdercoat parts.
:neutral:

[mike100]

I've been known to wash parts in the dishwasher myself. Melts the cosmolene right out of surplus rifle parts too.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c265/mschrameck/Cars/plenum_wash_sm.jpg~original

[Schrade]

I've been known to wash parts in the dishwasher myself. Melts the cosmolene right out of surplus rifle parts too.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c265/mschrameck/Cars/plenum_wash_sm.jpg~original

YiKEs!

Cosmo makes a mess. There's a reason they use it on shootin' irons...

But do be hasty oilin' guns down after removing it; flash rust will light up in short order post removal...


Who eats at home any more?
Kitchen table is for rebulding carbs and heads.
The oven is for baking cookies and powdercoat parts.

And Parkerizing gun parts!!!
Agree with Steve job well done!

She really let you use the stove to do job of such?

Well, first time, G/F was out. Came back, and started asking questions about why the kitchen was so clean. I 'fessed up. She went back in kitchen, and :15 minutes later, said "You need to [do your business] more often".

Irony is that Parking makes about ZERO mess, except for the Parking pot.

[LGAFF]

[QUOTE=mike100;198874]I've been known to wash parts in the dishwasher myself. Melts the cosmolene right out of surplus rifle parts too.[QUOTE]


Funny I did not know anyone else knew what that was....when I was in high school my job was to remove the cosmolene from newly shipped Hondas.

[scottfab]

Yet another cool tool
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2512

[USAZR1]

Yet another cool tool
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2512

What is that?

[ZRXMAX]

What is that?

Its an excavator with a long reach stick on it. Looks to me they need a bigger excavator with an even longer "stick" ( goes from the boom to the bucket )

unless they put a mini excavator in the hole and load the excavator bucket with a mini excavator.

I don't think anybody would want to work in the hole unless a crane was tethered to the mini excavator and they had their seatbelt on. :eek:

They say the hole is stable so perhaps the risk of being in the hole all day moving dirt isn't that dangerous.

[scottfab]

I'm wondering if they intend to stabilize the sides when the remove all that dirt. Looks dangerous. Here's hoping all goes well.

They sure do have a lot of toys. I've been taking screen shots of each one.

[Schrade]

I think they gave up on the vacuum, for now at least... Too bad. I think they should stay on it...

And [or] move dirt to the 'corners', not OUT...

[-=Jeff=-]

I am looking forward to seeing this in person tomorrow either before or after my plant tour

[scottfab]

I am looking forward to seeing this in person tomorrow either before or after my plant tour

Great opportunity to grab a memento. Maybe a piece of concrete or ???
from the hole (or the pile outside). I did this when visiting ground zero in NYC. (concrete and piece of glass)

hey, get a bunch of concrete for all of us :)
Oh and say hi to my NCM brick out next to the ZR1 BIG brick.

[Racinfan83]

hey, get a bunch of concrete for all of us

Me (the baggage handler) "What the :censored: are these people packin - ROCKS??" :confused::cheers:

[scottfab]

Me (the baggage handler) "What the :censored: are these people packin - ROCKS??" :confused::cheers:

When I checked in for the flight back from Italy a few months back the guy grunted when moving my bag. He said in an Italian accent, "Whata youa gotta ina herea, rocksa?"
I had a few in there but UNDER the weight limit. :dancing

[FU]

I hear the Museum is going to make a reality series out of this.

[efnfast]

I hear the Museum is going to make a reality series out of this.

Sounds like a plan, looks like it is going to go on for several seasons.

[scottfab]

Sounds like a plan, looks like it is going to go on for several seasons.

Title?
"The Day the Earth Ate Vettes"
"Sink Hole From Hell"
"Power Tools and the Men that Run Them"
"Excavating for Vetts"
"Colored Hats and the Men that Wear Them"
"????"

[BigJohn]

I just can't say it!!!!

[-=Jeff=-]

Flight? Heck we drove. Not in the vette unfortunately. I really want a C7, the plant tour was awesome

[XfireZ51]

Flight? Heck we drove. Not in the vette unfortunately. I really want a C7, the plant tour was awesome

I KNEW IT! Are u going to tell up us you went w Alex to look at YOUR C7 being built?

[-=Jeff=-]

I KNEW IT! Are u going to tell up us you went w Alex to look at YOUR C7 being built?

Oh how I wish that was the reason

[scottfab]

I KNEW IT! Are u going to tell up us you went w Alex to look at YOUR C7 being built?

That's what I thought it was :p

[Racinfan83]

Two members of the Corvette Club I belong to have accepted delivery of a new C7 there in the last 5 months - one just last week...

I could only wish....:cry::cry:

[-=Jeff=-]

I met a couple today that took delivery of a night race blue with red interior. Sharp combo to me

[scottfab]

I see the guys are working OT again today (Saturday).
Last week they worked 1/2day OT.

[XfireZ51]

Waiting for a full report from =Jeff=. He was just there w his son Alex for spring break father-son bonding trip. I suspect =Jeff= is using that as a cover for going to see his C7 being built but not saying anything to the rest of us! :mad::mad: BUSTED.

[efnfast]

I see another tire!!

[efnfast]

Sumpin' got unearthed and it don't look good.

[ZZZZZR1]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/zr-1spyder_zps5df02e59.jpg (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/pennstatefootball/media/zr-1spyder_zps5df02e59.jpg.html)

very sad....

[FU]

Calling Dr. Brett please report to the OR stat !

Squished spyder !

[LGAFF]

I am not sure that one is coming back

[BigJohn]

With enough money; it can!!!

There have been succsessful restorations from much worse!!!!!

[LGAFF]

I agree John, anything is repairable, but that thing is hammered and no parts you can get off the shelf for that....finding the convertible stuff from ASC might not be easy either, although there is an L98 or LT-1 version somewhere

[scottfab]

I see absolutely no problem. If a totally smashed and squashed beyond recognition prototype ZR-1 from UK can be "restored" and claimed as a ZR-1 then ANYTHING is possible.
Imagine the bragging rights. "Here is the resurrected Spider ZR-1 from the sink hole. "
It' s a great Easter lead in.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/zr-1spyder_zps5df02e59.jpg (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/pennstatefootball/media/zr-1spyder_zps5df02e59.jpg.html)

very sad....

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I'd bring it back to life if given the opportunity.

EX5023 is not a ZR-1. It's a King Of The Hill Proof of Concept Prototype. The term ZR-1 wasn't coined at the time the car was built. Though it "is" what started it all for the wide bodies that we call ZR-1's. :flag:

http://i60.tinypic.com/k3q68l.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/1rstqf.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/mujrdt.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/de8xz8.jpg

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I agree John, anything is repairable, but that thing is hammered and no parts you can get off the shelf for that....finding the convertible stuff from ASC might not be easy either, although there is an L98 or LT-1 version somewhere


Lee, I'll be making the molds for my Conv next month. Would only have to make the deck lid and behind-between the seats pcs and side gills. C'mon down to Pendleton and we'll give it a go!

[Z51JEFF]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/zr-1spyder_zps5df02e59.jpg (http://s160.photobucket.com/user/pennstatefootball/media/zr-1spyder_zps5df02e59.jpg.html)

very sad....

This is honestly one of the saddest things Ive ever seen.I was hoping that maybe on a slim chance it wouldn't be this bad,not the case.Im going to go somewhere and cry now.:cry:

[edram454]

man, that is hammered. I never thought it would be so bad. what was on top of it that destroyed it so badly?? I guess the earth swallowed it up and crushed it. It is done. I would still take the rims and tires! very, very sad.

ed ramos #3028

[USAZR1]

That car was my favorite. Seeing it like that makes me sick to my stomach. :(

[JimZRyd]

It sure didn't appear to be that bad in the initial shots when the blue C6Z was still down there. Man that's sad:cry:

[Racinfan83]

Yeah that is bad. Probably worse then the PPG car which I thought was non-repairable.
Were the doors open on this car when it was displayed or did they get ripped open?

[Paul Workman]

Wow... That ain't gonna buff out!! But, then if anyone could make something from nothing, Brett can (and has, many times).

[efnfast]

Spyder is out and on a flatbed.

[scottfab]

I live 27mi from the sight where a man lost his life when his car was caught up in the pyroclastic flow of Mt. St. Helen. The car has been left there in tact. Maybe that would make a nice NCM exhibit. The squished spider ?

Nah. It needs to be restored even if it's 99% parts from other sources.
(one of my pics from 1999)
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2514

I must say it hurts to look at it this way. Reminds me of visiting a sick relative in the hospital.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Wow... That ain't gonna buff out!! But, then if anyone could make something from nothing, Brett can (and has, many times).

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Paul.

On a serious note, the car "can" be restored. The frame looks to be bent but that's fixable, as well as the windshield frame. Door geometry would need to be evaluated and put back to spec. Once these things are done though, with the mechanical driveline, it's just all cosmetics. I have access to another bare frame for cannibalization. I'm sure GM has folks to do the job right.

It's simply a "process". No different than building a house. Once your foundation is set, the rest is pretty straight forward.

[Dynomite]

It's simply a "process". No different than building a house. Once your foundation is set, the rest is pretty straight forward.

Me thinks the "foundation" got bent in this case. That front end looks squished like it ran into a truck.
How many more down there?

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/pennstatefootball/zr-1spyder_zps5df02e59.jpg

[Schrade]

I think there's 2 left; isn't there? Which ones?

[USAZR1]

Did they ever retrieve that Black 62 and the Mallett Z06?

[scottfab]

Did they ever retrieve that Black 62 and the Mallett Z06?

I think the 62 was first out.
I think the Mallett and 1.5 M white car are left.

This is the full list


1993 ZR-1 Spyder on loan from General Motors
2009 ZR1 “Blue Devil” on loan from General Motors
1962 Black Corvette
1984 PPG Pace Car
1992 White 1 Millionth Corvette
1993 Ruby Red 40th Anniversary Corvette
2001 Mallett Hammer Z06 Corvette
2009 White 1.5 Millionth Corvette

[Tripler]

Sad about the Spider . Looks like the frame is pretty twisted also .

Could someone suggest to TPTB to install a vid cam on the crane ? It would be cool to be looking down into the hole from the cranes arm .
Crane Cam Anyone ??? :) :) :)

[Vetman]

Get that spider to Blue Flame resto and let him have at it!!! Maybe we could take up a donation;)

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Get that spider to Blue Flame resto and let him have at it!!! Maybe we could take up a donation;)


Thanks
Wouldn't that be quite the honor? Can't wait to see how the GM guys do with it. :dancing

[BigJohn]

Sad about the Spider . Looks like the frame is pretty twisted also .

Could someone suggest to TPTB to install a vid cam on the crane ? It would be cool to be looking down into the hole from the cranes arm .
Crane Cam Anyone ??? :) :) :)


www.cranecams.com (http://www.cranecams.com)

:confused:

[efnfast]

www.cranecams.com (http://www.cranecams.com)

:confused:

Big John, I don't think that's what he had in mind.:)

[scottfab]

www.cranecams.com (http://www.cranecams.com)

:confused:

That's pretty funny :-D

[scottfab]

They're getting pretty close to pulling the last car out.

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2521

[efnfast]

They're getting pretty close to pulling the last car out.

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2521

Scott, I think that's only #7??

[Blue Flame Restorations]

The NCM bought one of my C4 bare frames that I sold a couple of years ago. According to Adam, the intent is to use the windshield portion for the 1,000,000th Corvette's restoration.

http://i62.tinypic.com/30vm2yf.jpg

[scottfab]

Oh Oh, big meeting with FOUR different colored hats.
Must be important!
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2522

[Vetman]

I wonder what is left of the hood with all the signatures. could it be pieced back together if only to display along with the restored car someday!!!

[Racinfan83]

They found a couple pieces of the hood today - and I mean PIECES...

Appears they are really trying to be careful to find and collect what they can. Pics of the hood pieces are on the NCM website...

[scottfab]

What one more left now?

http://corvettemuseum.smugmug.com/Events/Sinkhole/i-4r4Z6W5/0/S/DSC_00481-S.jpg

[scottfab]

I thought I was the only one that took 3hr lunch breaks.

[Racinfan83]

Sometimes mine are 2hrs depending on what gate I'm working and the flight schedule...;)

[scottfab]

Last car is coming up very soon. They are connecting to it now.
Camera 1 seems to be best for now.

[scottfab]

She's up. Beyond a doubt the most toasted one of all.
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2530
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2531

http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roadandtrack/images/Fa/001-chevrolet-corvette-mallett-ncm.jpg

[Racinfan83]

Yeah that one is REALLY :censored: ed...
I think they need to forget trying to fix that one and use it for the permanent "sinkhole" exhibit...
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/Racinfan83/Erics%20Other%20Stuff/IMG_53296845881256.jpeg (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Racinfan83/media/Erics%20Other%20Stuff/IMG_53296845881256.jpeg.html)

[Vetman]

I agree, leave this one as a permanent exhibit in its current state.

[scottfab]

I agree, leave this one as a permanent exhibit in its current state.

And they need to leave all that red dirt patina in place too.
I'm told patina ads value. Never met the guy so don't know.;)

[Kevin]

oh good, not the one i'd been thinking it was. shame about it being ummm...scrap but I had thought this was the green one

[BigJohn]

It's a fixer upper!

Now we can make it any color we want!

[Racinfan83]

DIRT is a color....:dancing:p:mrgreen:

[USAZR1]

Good Lord,that car is hammered! :(

[USAFPILOT]

wow…i guess C5's are not as tough. I'll take the engine though!

[scottfab]

Apparently attaching a camera to a long a$$ boom ?
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2534

[RyanChappel]

What a great hot rod ..a total shame.

[Racinfan83]

Tuesday, team members involved with the National Corvette Museum’s sinkhole recovery and remediation met to discuss the future of the Skydome and construction plan moving forward.* Presentations were made of all of the findings, from drillings, to microgravity readings, and the WKU cave and karst team’s exploration into the hole.

Dr. Jason Polk with WKU shared that the void discovered beneath the Skydome extended in two directions– one leading from the Skydome towards the Museum’s truck parking lot, and the other leading from the Skydome towards the pond.* Both cave areas start approximately 50 feet underground.* According to Dr. Polk, “You don’t typically have sinkholes without caves or voids of some type below them, so this finding was not surprising.”* He also indicated that in our area of Kentucky we drive through and around sinkholes and caves every day, with some types of sinkholes even being miles wide.* There are dozens of known, mapped caves in the Bowling Green city limits, and over 200 documented caves in Warren County.

Dr. Polk stated that they found mineral deposits which are indicative of dry conditions in the northern extension of the cave.* This information means that this portion of our cave is likely thousands of years old and has been there since long before the Museum was constructed.* The cave also probably hasn’t had flowing water in a very long time.

The team reviewed the construction documentation from the original building and Skydome.* Prior to construction of the building a geo-technical test was completed in accordance with normal standards.* They found nothing to indicate any problems.* “Normally if there is enough rock, it doesn’t matter what is below it,” said Danny Daniel of Scott, Murphy & Daniel Construction.* Daniel also indicated that rebar was not required in the concrete flooring of the Skydome.* “It’s no different than the floor of your garage at home.* Rebar was not needed to support the weight of the cars in the Skydome,” he added.* [EDITORS NOTE: SMD Construction did not build the original portion of the Museum]

The team thinks that our sinkhole was caused by the collapse of a portion of a cave roof, although they are still compiling data.*Several things could have caused this, including the extra weight from clay soils above the roof becoming saturated from heavy rain. The team stressed that there is no reason for anyone to be any more concerned for safety here than any other area prone to significant karst development and sinkhole collapse, and it is important to note that much of Bowling Green/Warren County is located in just such an area.

Dr. Polk and Dr. Leslie North, also with WKU Center for Cave and Karst Studies, will be conducting a presentation on Saturday, April 26 at 3:15pm CT on the sinkhole collapse and how it happened. The presentation will be in the Museum's Conference Center.

Moving forward the team is exploring ways to rebuild the Skydome floor.* One such plan includes drilling with micro piles then adding beams to ensure the Skydome floor is fully secure.* The Museum is also exploring various ideas, which would in some way preserve a portion of the sinkhole, helping to tell the story of what is now Museum and Corvette history.* “We will continue to explore these ideas as the process has not moved along far enough to know if keeping a portion of the hole is feasible or not,” said Wendell Strode, Executive Director of the Museum.* “The interest in our sinkhole and the rescued Corvettes has been more than expected, and our attendance for March was up 56% over March of last year,” Strode added.* “Our special display focusing on this event is now open in our Exhibit Hall.* Current plans are to keep the cars on display as they are so that guests through the summer and especially the thousands attending our 20th Anniversary Celebration will have a chance to see the cars and witness the sinkhole for themselves.”

On Thursday the Museum received a donation of a 40th Anniversary “Ruby Red” Corvette. Lynda Patterson of Louisville, Kentucky donated her car in response to the news of the sinkhole swallowing another “Ruby.”* The complete release on Ms. Patterson’s car donation is available online here.

Representatives from GM will be meeting with the NCM next month to inspect each of the Great 8 and determine which ones are appropriate to be restored.* The Corvettes that are not restored will be kept on permanent display as part of preserving and telling the story of the February 12th Sinkhole Collapse.

Links to photos, videos and information related to the sinkhole are available on the Museum's website at www.corvettemuseum.org. For the latest updates visit the Museum’s Facebook Fan page at www.facebook.com/corvettemuseum.

[scottfab]

Hmmmm, I put rebar in the floor of my garage........

One has to wonder about sink holes below the factory.
But then based on the report there would seem to be no increased
risk as compared to other parts of the county.

"The team stressed that there is no reason for anyone to be any more concerned for safety here than any other area prone to significant karst development and sinkhole collapse, and it is important to note that much of Bowling Green/Warren County is located in just such an area."

I think the NCM and factory should move to Washington state.
No sink holes here, just volcanoes
http://tonyrogers.com/news/images/mt_st_helens_01_700px.jpg

[scottfab]

No work currently being done.
It's open season for tourists and photo ops
http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2543