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Old 07-19-2020   #1
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Default More fun with Fan issues... Different car...

Been running into mutliple issues lately.. Now the fans in my 1991 do not come on even when signaling to turn them on with the Tech one, sometimes they turn on for a split second and off.... Now the odd part, if you go into service/Diagnosis mode it will turn the fans on as it sound.

Temp gauge seems to be working per the tech one.....


Cant win I am thinking this is another ECM issue

Thoughts?
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Old 07-19-2020   #2
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Default Re: More fun with Fan issues... Different car...

Can you check just the fans; maybe they are beginning to fail.
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Old 07-19-2020   #3
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Did that direct power to fans, and they work....... When I run the diagnostic and it does the ECM check "12" fans come on instantly and are strong.

Gauge fuse is also good
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Also swapped relays not difference
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Old 07-19-2020   #5
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Also swapped relays not difference
Lee my son just went through this on his GS was the temp sensor that also read GOOD via tech-1A. We replaced the sensor and them installed the new SPAL fans. GC
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Default Re: More fun with Fan issues... Different car...

Swapped ECMS in the 91 to the 90, in the 90 the Fans work when commanded by the Tech one .. odd.

1991
-fans work with direct power to the fan motor
-fans work in Tech one Diagnostic mode.... Testing ECM
*so we know relays, wiring, and fans are good
-Fans wont command on in the 1991w/th the tech 1 and wont come on at
205 degrees as they should
-TEch one command for fan test works on other cars with the same ECM

GC how does the sensor shut down the Tech One when its in a fan testing mode?
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Swapped ECMS in the 91 to the 90, in the 90 the Fans work when commanded by the Tech one .. odd.

1991
-fans work with direct power to the fan motor
-fans work in Tech one Diagnostic mode.... Testing ECM
*so we know relays, wiring, and fans are good
-Fans wont command on in the 1991w/th the tech 1 and wont come on at
205 degrees as they should
-TEch one command for fan test works on other cars with the same ECM

GC how does the sensor shut down the Tech One when its in a fan testing mode?
I'm confused, the statements in BOLD above seem to be contradictory.
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Default Re: More fun with Fan issues... Different car...

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Originally Posted by LGAFF View Post
Swapped ECMS in the 91 to the 90, in the 90 the Fans work when commanded by the Tech one .. odd.

1991
-fans work with direct power to the fan motor
-fans work in Tech one Diagnostic mode.... Testing ECM
*so we know relays, wiring, and fans are good
-Fans wont command on in the 1991w/th the tech 1 and wont come on at
205 degrees as they should
-TEch one command for fan test works on other cars with the same ECM

GC how does the sensor shut down the Tech One when its in a fan testing mode?

New clue Lee just relating what worked for me.
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90 RED/BLACK #2794. 4L60e Automatic Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless Headers, Corsa Exhaust, SAN Secondaries and Haibeck PROM, Exotic Muscle Coil overs, LED Interior Lights, LED Tail Lights, LED Headlights, 94 Sport seats with black custom Sheepskins , Cragar rear louvers, GS Front calipers, Banski Trailing arms, APSIS Carbon Fiber steering wheel, Front and Rear Baer Eradispeeds, DRLs, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension), Dewitt's Raditor with Dual SPAL fans and a Haibeck 170 T-Stat

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Hans

With the TECH 1 there are different tests:


Diagnostic Service for when you pull codes: This is when the fans come on and it flashes the SES lights and gives you the code numbers; when I am in this test mode the fans work. That tells me the relays and wiring harnesses/grounds are not the issue

Then there is a Misc Test Mode This allows the Tech one to command systems on and off. In this case I was using the fan function and it did not work in the 91...sometimes turning on and off.. in the 90 the ECM worked fine turning on and off w/command (Go to 5:25 in the video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSrANDurszU
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Default Re: More fun with Fan issues... Different car...

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Originally Posted by LGAFF View Post
Swapped ECMS in the 91 to the 90, in the 90 the Fans work when commanded by the Tech one .. odd.

1991
-fans work with direct power to the fan motor
-fans work in Tech one Diagnostic mode.... Testing ECM
*so we know relays, wiring, and fans are good
-Fans wont command on in the 1991w/th the tech 1 and wont come on at
205 degrees as they should

-TEch one command for fan test works on other cars with the same ECM

GC how does the sensor shut down the Tech One when its in a fan testing mode?
Maybe 90/91 are different/ but 92 up work as follows:

Fan 1 comes on at 228
Fan 2 comes on if temp gets to 240

Fan 2 turns off when temp falls to 240
Fan 1 turns off when temp fall below 228.
Both fans come on at any temp if AC is turned on.


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