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Aurora40 · 03-13-2009

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Originally Posted by rkreigh

what I don't understand is changing the emissions laws to be tighter than the car was designed to pass in the first place. that's just wrong.

I'm with you! VA seems to get stricter every time I take my car in... The other kicker is that newer cars don't even need to do the sniffer test at all. And of course the biggest kicker is that the jerks in Richmond who pass these laws don't even have to abide by them, it only applies to Northern VA!

GOLDCYLON · 03-13-2009

I hear you Ron thats why I gave up and went another route. Its hard to stay in complaince when the standards are a moving target.

The new cars are a joke to test, all they do here is plug the car into the OBD II scan port. No code no issue right. Well I know those codes can be removed at the PROM level.

jonszr1 · 03-13-2009

cant one apply for a varience in va .plea your case with the supporting data from when our cars were built . one would think that,even they would have to alter the figs to match when the cars were built . either that or file suit to get a historical designation . i know its a pain in the keister but would think they either have to do that or buy your car . moving the laws to obsolite cars should be a crime .

Sgreg · 03-14-2009

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Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON

Ok update.... Went to see my friends house Fred (A forum member) heres what we looked at Fuel rail pressure about 42 Lbs Constant and holds after car shut off, Ruled out fuel pressure, surging and Injectors. Put in the stock 91 Prom. Pulled plugs on Driver side two a little loose but nice even burn on the set (Light brown). Pulled plugs passenger side two loose plugs hand tight and suspect oil fouled. Two completly oil fouled #2 and #6 exceedingly saturated, could not even see the electrode on the end of the NGK irdiums they had about 25K on them. Put in a fresh set on non Tappered flat ACs as they were all I could get my hands on. What would cause one side to oil foul before the other. Fred suspects two week cylinders or seals under camcover?

The car with the stock prom idles about 650-700 with Rippies Prom it idled about 850-900. Would the Prom and the plugs as stated be enough to hose the test? From my view it should help but would it be enough?

You betcha. Ram two new plugs in and the stock chip and go for it .

Sgreg · 03-14-2009

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Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON

3rd Test today. New Plugs, Stock Prom, Car Temp was at least 230 you could see the thermals in the shadows under my car. I also threw in a bottle of Heet (Alcohol) in the last 5 gallons of gas I had in the car

HC 1.30 FAIL But better
CO 6.71 Pass but was not an issue
NOX 4.30 FAIL but worse I suspect the additive

Im convinced these CATS wont make it through any IM147 test. So I using another option.

Hot is not the answer. In Texas they run fans into the engine compartment.

Sgreg · 03-14-2009

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Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON

1st test $36.00
2nd re-test Free
3rd test $36.00

My advise to anyone else considering long tubes is to stay away from the metal substrate bullet cats and go with the bullet ceramic cats. I think they are too free flowing and will never meet a 1.00 HC standard. My factory cats when not damaged would pass without a problem. GC

D, it is not the cats.

Sgreg · 03-14-2009

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Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON

Yeah the guy I bought it from told me

how the Texas Ahem inspection stamps work.... If you have cash you pass......

A little exaggerated I think about the Texas emissions test. The results are totally computer generated. They have to be passing it as an antique.

npritchard777 · 03-14-2009

I had issues getting mine to pass here in CA. I did two things, went back to original Delco plugs (had Bosh in there when it failed) and I did a top end clean to get rid of the carbon build up. It passed just fine after.

-Nate

flyin ryan · 03-14-2009

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Originally Posted by npritchard777

I had issues getting mine to pass here in CA. I did two things, went back to original Delco plugs (had Bosh in there when it failed) and I did a top end clean to get rid of the carbon build up. It passed just fine after.

-Nate

Funny you say that, i've 'Always' found Bosch to be absolute junk in the engines i build. They can't be 'that' bad, but i've had no luck with then what-so-ever.

jonszr1 · 03-14-2009

i agree with ryan on the bosch fusion plug .being a plug nut (i try them all)car ran like junk. put in some E-3s and the idle was smoother than its been in along time,.ive also done the seafoam clean and couldnt believe the junk that came out of the pipes .

03-13-2009	#52
GOLDCYLON Join Date: May 2007 Location: Peoria, AZ Posts: 9,155	Re: Emissions retest another failure I hear you Ron thats why I gave up and went another route. Its hard to stay in complaince when the standards are a moving target. The new cars are a joke to test, all they do here is plug the car into the OBD II scan port. No code no issue right. Well I know those codes can be removed at the PROM level. __________________ GOLDCYLON - 91 ZR-1 #2014 GOLDCYLON - 90 ZR-1 #2794, 4L60e (Formerly Schrade's) GOLDCYLON - 11 CTS-V Arizona State Director 91 WHITE/BLACK #2014. 380 P&P&PCed,Ported Heads, Jeal Long tubes, Corsa Exhaust/FIKSE FM-5s /LED TLs, LED Headlights, Front Wilwood 6 piston narrowlite calipers and rear Wilwood caliper street shop mod,CNCed Coolant Pipes,TPI Cvr,Filter cover,Stainless Bolts, DRM/DOM PROM /ZFDOC mod build #102,DRLs,BMAD with stainless Debris Screen,Coplan Air Blaster, Pioneer APP Radio 4,Brey-Krause HB,Sub Bar,Fire extinguisher seat mount,DRM Coilovers,LEDs everywhere,Compass mirror (orange),V1 DIC hidden display, Homelink sun visor, Carbon Fiber top x3 and APSIS Carbon Fiber interior, APSIS CF Steering Wheel/NAPA Leather, Banski trailing arms, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension) ZFDoc drive shaft safety loop, raptor shift light (orange),AO engineering louver front plate, Console seat cushion, 96CE seats with black custom Sheepskins, ss billet catch can,Viper remote entry/alarm,Cragar Rear Louvers,LED side louver lights, Dewitts Radiator with SPAL fans and a Woods 160 T-Stat 90 RED/BLACK #2794. 4L60e Automatic Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless Headers, Corsa Exhaust, SAN Secondaries and Haibeck PROM, Exotic Muscle Coil overs, LED Interior Lights, LED Tail Lights, LED Headlights, 94 Sport seats with black custom Sheepskins , Cragar rear louvers, GS Front calipers, Banski Trailing arms, APSIS Carbon Fiber steering wheel, Front and Rear Baer Eradispeeds, DRLs, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension), Dewitt's Raditor with Dual SPAL fans and a Haibeck 170 T-Stat 11 RED/GREY CTS-V

03-13-2009	#53
jonszr1 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: lone pine and mammoth lakes Posts: 1,407	Re: Emissions retest another failure cant one apply for a varience in va .plea your case with the supporting data from when our cars were built . one would think that,even they would have to alter the figs to match when the cars were built . either that or file suit to get a historical designation . i know its a pain in the keister but would think they either have to do that or buy your car . moving the laws to obsolite cars should be a crime .

03-14-2009	#58
npritchard777 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Santa Maria, CA Posts: 33	Re: Emissions retest another failure I had issues getting mine to pass here in CA. I did two things, went back to original Delco plugs (had Bosh in there when it failed) and I did a top end clean to get rid of the carbon build up. It passed just fine after. -Nate

03-14-2009	#60
jonszr1 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: lone pine and mammoth lakes Posts: 1,407	Re: Emissions retest another failure i agree with ryan on the bosch fusion plug .being a plug nut (i try them all)car ran like junk. put in some E-3s and the idle was smoother than its been in along time,.ive also done the seafoam clean and couldnt believe the junk that came out of the pipes .