Close to an end? Obama an illegal.

[MikeGolf]

In Kabul, Afghanistan on 31 Jul 07 at 0845 I witnessed what blind loyalty to a faith or a leader can do. I know the color of honor and the color of corwardice is. I earned the rights to wear medals and badges that many great people have done before me. I will always question the integrity of anyone that calls himself a politcian. No you do not have to serve to be a great American. It takes those that build the beans and bullets so we can fight to make the soldier win. But I welcome Home those Vietnam vets that got spit on and called baby killers by their fellow countrymen. They are HERO's.
As for Obama defending the constitution, Isn't his administration fighting in the Supreme Court to see if his Health Care is even constitional legal. So what constitution does he defend when he makes up his own? Or the one ACORN wanted. Or Hollywood has envisioned.
I would also like to point out that this is a demoracy where the majority rules. That doesn't mean that a minority can infringe it's beliefs on the majority. Remember MAJORITY RULES, they may be people but don't force it on me. Or your health care that a majority of states are suing against. But that is why I fought is so that every American can have their own opion no matter how stupid I think it may be. That's what makes America Great Freedom of Speech, Try that overseas.

Stan Lee wrote Spiderman, X-men comic books he always ended them with "nuff said" I quoted him.

PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD!!!!!!

Honor



Cowardice

[XfireZ51]

You're obfuscating. BTW, in our Constitution it is the rights of the individual that are protected, not those of a "majority". That's what you fought for and I salute your service.

[MikeGolf]

Thanks for your support. Now I can be a politician.

[John Boothby]

Mike, I respect, and thank you for your service. And, you have the right to believe what you think is right. You also have the right to speak your beliefs, and I respect that.

The Constitution was established to protect the IDIVIDUAL'S rights, not that of the majority. We have the right to vote, as a group, however, the Supreme Court is there to rule on disputed issues. The Affordable Health Care Law was upheld by some judges as well as ruled unconstitutional by others. The Supreme Court is deciding the matter, hopefully, ignoring politics.

As for gay's in the military, they have been there since the begining of time. I can only imagine what the Greek and Roman Armies were like! Anyway, I think that the only thing that will change is that these people will be able to serve, honorably, without the fear of being kicked out! Remember, they still will have to live by the rules and laws under UCMJ. They break the law, they serve the punishment.

Also, there was a reason our forefather's saw fit to have civilian rule over the military. Yes, we have had presidents that served, but it is not a requirement.

Anyway, welcome home my friend! Be safe, and be true to your beliefs! Keep an open mind though!

[Eric24]

Mike -

It is funny how these great Americans who say the current leader is doing a good job or want to argue with you, someone with 26 years of experience in the
Infantry think they have the right to comment on DADT or other issues.

I don't think it is completely neccessary to have Military background to be the President, but you better damn well support it, unlike our current leader who appologizes and would not wear an american flag on his lapel until he received so much heat for it.

Also, he did not get Bin Laden, that fell in his lap, right place, right time! If he was in charge when 9-11 happened he would of apologized for something and we would have set on our thumbs.

Comments like he waisted his first 2 years drive me nuts. You are top dog, he chose to do what he did, he chose to be a follower instead of a Leader! He has done nothing for us but make promise after promise just like he did when he was running, all talk. Maybe you dont agree with Bush going into Iraq but at least he made a decision and stood by it. Maybe we did not find WMA's but at least we were not seen as weak cowards, i'm glad we went.

What we need is a strong, confident, Leader, one who is truly proud to be an American. All politics suck, i have always tried to stay away from this but it is hard with him in charge.

Look it is already hard to be a Soldier these days but he has made it even harder...

Oh, I currently have 21 years in as a Infantry Soldier

[John Boothby]

[QUOTE:It is funny how these great Americans who say the current leader is doing a good job or want to argue with you, someone with 26 years of experience in the
Infantry think they have the right to comment on DADT or other issues.QUOTE]

Everyone has their opinion. And the right to express it!

What were you doing in 1968? I was enduring almost nightly rocket and mortar attacks in Vietnam! I spent many nights in a trench with my M-14 ready to defend our small post from the NVA!

I enlisted in 1965 and was regular Army! I spent 4 years in the service. Every generation of my family has served in the military back to the Civil War, including North and South! I havn't researched back to the Revolutionary war yet, but my family has been here since prior to 1700!

I think Obama has done a stand up job regardless of the uncomprimising Tea Party Repubs that have tried to block every move he has made to try to fix what they created!

Just because I have different opinions than you does not make me any less of an American or less Patriotic!

I do not hate you, I just have a different opinion of things. This is just a discussion. That is all!

Over and out!

[scottfab]

Originally Posted by John Boothby

I think Obama has done a stand up job regardless of the uncomprimising Tea Party Repubs that have tried to block every move he has made to try to fix what they created!

Just because I have different opinions than you does not make me any less of an American or less Patriotic!

Wow, profound and well articulated.

A key feature to look for on those that disagree with policy is the language. There is hate for the man (president) and not the policy itself. Those are the haters.
Why are some of the states oppose to the current health care law? And why is it in the court? Because it maybe in fact unconstitutional. If so, so be it. That does NOT mean the president that supported it is against the constitution or violating his oath. It's a test of the legality. Only if he challenges the courts authority is he violation his oath.

My opinion of heath care is this. It's a simple embarrassment that we didn't have a health care law. nuff said. We can go off following a supposed "strong" leader even if he's wrong but we can't take care of our own? sad.

Bin Ladin thrown in Obama's lap? Yah right. That's why it took 3yrs to find and approve of taking him out. Oh wait. He couldn't make that decision right? He's weak, right? The only thing that got thrown in Obama's lap was a high pile of stinking economy with banks running a muck. Thanks to George W and his mediocre fumbling ways.

One of the things I admired about George H was that he got into wiping out Sadam and then got out. I don't disagree with this country taking decisive action against tyrants but we have a terrible record of getting the hell out when done. What? we're still there protecting our freedom over here? hmmmm

Ok next onto the "Buffet" tax.... I'd really like to hear arguments of why billionairs should not pay more that 14% tax and I pay 31%?
Oh sorry I should say "job providers" right?
I'm going to be watching very carefully what law-makes oppose this come voting day. Remember these are the same law-makes that raise their own salaries and benefits even as the country suffers.

[Eric24]

Bin Ladin thrown in Obama's lap? Yah right. That's why it took 3yrs to find and approve of taking him out. Oh wait. He couldn't make that decision right? He's weak, right? The only thing that got thrown in Obama's lap was a high pile of stinking economy with banks running a muck. Thanks to George W and his mediocre fumbling ways.

First, I resepct your opinion on whoever you like as the President or want as the President, no issues there....

What i have an issue is when people bring in the Military stuff, and #1 have not served or #2 dont know the real facts.

He was the Presdient at the right time with Bin Laden, if you have been there you would know how hard it is to find people, especially him. I will leave it at that.

If he is so great then why has he not fixed or at least improved on this, "high pile of stinking economy"? He has worked on it, he has made it worse....

Bottom line, I dont agree with any policies he has tried to bring, he has no clue, and is NOT a leader in my eyes...If you disagree with me, thats your right, your welcome.

[Eric24]

John-

Thanks for your service, Vietnam was a bad war and you all were treated like crap when you came back....BOTTOM LINE

I talk to Vets all the time, we support and remember the Golden Rakkasans from the great 101st Airborne Division every year for the Hamburger Hill fight. I get to talk to those great Americans every year, so I know about that war as well.

I dont want to compare the 2 wars or this or that but...

I enlisted as well in 1990, my family has served as far back as i know as well. I have served multiple tours and have seen my fare share of IDF, IED, Direct Fire Attacks as well...

I dont think he is a stand up guy at all, and i have not fouond one person in my line of work that disagrees with me

Never said your less of an American or Patriot and if it seemed like that I'm sorry, did not mean it that way

I dont hate you either, i dont hate anyone...

[scottfab]

Originally Posted by Eric24

He was the Presdient at the right time with Bin Laden, if you have been there you would know how hard it is to find people, especially him. I will leave it at that.

If he is so great then why has he not fixed or at least improved on this, "high pile of stinking economy"? He has worked on it, he has made it worse....

Bottom line, I dont agree with any policies he has tried to bring, he has no clue, and is NOT a leader in my eyes...If you disagree with me, thats your right, your welcome.

I guess I can agree he was in the right place. But you'd have to agree he approved of the action taken. That is not a weak thing to do.

I don't think Obama is a "great" president. He's just not as weak or impotent as you'd have him be. And I guess he was just in the right place at the right time to get us the hell out of Iraq. Again not a great president just one in the right place at the right time.

I would advise you to check your facts on the economy. Sounds like you're just passing along what you hear from the opposition party cronies and the blocking tactics in congress. It is in fact recovering. He has in my opinion done an outstanding job there. But then again he's just in the right place at the right time. Bush handed this opportunity to him. To do your research study what Hover did to cause the world (that's right the whole world) to go into a depression. His trickle down economy set out to make money more scarce (spend less) and this caught on as a message to the rest of the world as well as the people of the US. This caused an avalanche of like type thinking wish made a bad situation even worse.
(Discovery Channel special on Hover)

Will i vote for Obama again? Not really sure. Depends on what the other side has to offer and says, and if I can believe them. I am keeping an open mind. But I will tell you that I will not hold ANY one's religion a deciding factor even if they are accused of being a certain religion or of having multiple wives. Or if ones father was Muslim.

I congratulate you on having opinions and expressing them. I challenge you to look at opinions of others from both sides with an open mind. Then if you believe such things as not having a US flag lapel pin is a deal breaker for you, go for it.