Refinishing the engine - Would it take away NCRS points?

Originally Posted by Ed Hoffman

Now lets go to the Dunn heads. In 1994 the company that was producing the LT5 heads went out of business(an english company) Mercury Marine contacted Lotis in England and were told that the Dunn Co. could finish the production run. In 1994 some of the ZLT5 motors had right hand Malie heads athe the left side were Dunn heads. For the remainder of the run, 1995, the heads were made by Dunn. What you might not know is all of the 1993 to 1995 LT5 motors were built in 1993. The last engine built was on Nov 21, 1993, at 1:30 P.M. and the last four of the engine number was 0003. Hows that for obscure information. Kevin if you would like to know anything else about the LT5 motor I have a lot more. Like what was the broom stick used for in the delicate measurment on the LT5 motor at Stillwater, Oaklahoma, home of Mercury Marine.

Mahle was the piston manufacturor. In fact they are still in business and make a nice replacement LS1 piston. Birmal is the head manufacturor you are looking for.

Birmal got out of the LT5 cylinder head way before 94.

Originally Posted by Ed Hoffman

The value of a 93 405Hp Ruby is now at 47,600,\. Kevin do the math.

The value that you place on your Ruby and the actual price paid will probably be vastly different. Throw it up on the open market at 47,600 and see how many people come tire kicking.

[Ed Hoffman]

You are right Jeff, I was typing so fast that my mind was one year behind my fingers. First year for the 427 was 1966. In fact the part # for the 396 425 HP engine was 3856208 and the 425Hp 427 was 3873858. Hows that for detail. Yuk-Yuk.

[Ed Hoffman]

Regarding the value of the 93 Ruby, first you have to find one. Second when you do the mileage has to be below 20,000. I found two, both in Ca. One with 12,000 and it went for 41,600. The second one had 16,000 and I bought that one. I did not pay 46,600, but it was close to 34,000. Face it I got a deal and I know it. Look at the adds anywhere and see how many Ruby Zr,s are for sale. The 90 Zr,s are asking between 28-34K, with 20 to 30K miles. One I saw had 900 miles and it was offered for 38,000. Thats beats 12K for most C-4 basic vettes from 87 to 95. Oh and by the way more Rubys were sold in Ca., 31 to be exact, than any other state. According to the ZR-1 registry my ZR is the first one to leave Ca for Nv. In Nv only two exist and both came from out of state. All Ruby ZR are accounted for according to the registry. The value of any ZR is determined by the lack of product and the desire of the public. History is the best lesson, do you agree.

Originally Posted by Ed Hoffman

Regarding the value of the 93 Ruby, first you have to find one. Second when you do the mileage has to be below 20,000. I found two, both in Ca. One with 12,000 and it went for 41,600. The second one had 16,000 and I bought that one. I did not pay 46,600, but it was close to 34,000. Face it I got a deal and I know it. Look at the adds anywhere and see how many Ruby Zr,s are for sale. The 90 Zr,s are asking between 28-34K, with 20 to 30K miles. One I saw had 900 miles and it was offered for 38,000. Thats beats 12K for most C-4 basic vettes from 87 to 95. Oh and by the way more Rubys were sold in Ca., 31 to be exact, than any other state. According to the ZR-1 registry my ZR is the first one to leave Ca for Nv. In Nv only two exist and both came from out of state. All Ruby ZR are accounted for according to the registry. The value of any ZR is determined by the lack of product and the desire of the public. History is the best lesson, do you agree.

So between those two purchases that puts the median prices at 37,800. Far cry from your 47,600. I would expect California to have the most Rubies, as they have the most ZR-1's. Following would be Texas, Florida, New York.... maybe Michigan after that.

Any thoughts on the ruby car for sale on the registry site right now? Has under 6,000 miles and is asking only 40,000.


No comment on Birmal/Mahle?

[Ed Hoffman]

Jeff, the figure comes out of an estimate published in the registery. I do not recall the writer, but it was his estimates. Check the registery for that info. As far as the 6,000 mile car, who knows unless you see the car close up. It may be perfect or it may have gone the way of the road racer and been thrashed. Each car stands on it's own merits. What kind of a comment do you want regarding Birmal, they made heads and Malhle made pistons. Ok.

[RICKYRJ1]

Originally Posted by taximan1

1. Non original battery is 5 points
2. Non original exhaust would be a huge hit (around 85 points)
3. ypu would lose a few condition points for a cut shroud
4. missing or incorrect decals are usually 1 point each.

Remember, even if everything else is correct, you would probably lose condition points along the line. But you would probably sail through to a top flight. Probably somewhere between 96.5 to 98.0

dumb question but why would I lose condition points? I have the original exhaust( mint cond ) bubble wrapped and sealed and the car is in mint condition. It will never see rain. My lack of time does not allow me to put many miles on so mileage will always be low. Wouldn't somebody offer all the proper decals in the future? How about a repro. battery? How many points for the oil filter? I have an original black stock one. Thanks for your time and knowlegde. Rick

[taximan1]

You mentioned that you had a cut shroud. That would be a deduction for condition. In addition, any car with more than about 5,000 miles on it, will naturally have some detrioration of components. Unfortunately, even zr1's with 500 miles on them will take a hit for delaminating windshields.

I am not sure if anyone has yet made an exact repo battery. Ed, you may know that.

An incorrect oil filter would be 2 or 3 points.

[Kevin]

The bottom line in this is that the ZR-1 was never designed to sit around and collect dust. It was designed to be run hard and often. The more it sits around the more things will go wrong with it. When you go to PV test the car, secondaries won't work, the car won't run correctly and any number of other things.

[RICKYRJ1]

Originally Posted by taximan1

You mentioned that you had a cut shroud. That would be a deduction for condition. In addition, any car with more than about 5,000 miles on it, will naturally have some detrioration of components. Unfortunately, even zr1's with 500 miles on them will take a hit for delaminating windshields.

I am not sure if anyone has yet made an exact repo battery. Ed, you may know that.

An incorrect oil filter would be 2 or 3 points.

Thanks for the info. I have a new shroud but do not plan on installing it any time soom. Sounds like you can drive yourself crazy trying to have a NCRS car. Going to lose points anyway so I will drive it and enjoy it