Rut Roh E-15 soon

[USAFPILOT]

First of all, you shouldn't believe anything from MSNBC. Increasing the supply of Oil to the global market will help to drive down the cost of Oil globally. It will create jobs for our citizens. There is no fathomable reason the govt. should be blocking the project.

Also, the only real way to drive down gas prices in this country is to remove the red tape preventing the construction of new refineries. We have plenty of oil here, but not enough capacity to produce gas, nor the competition between gasoline creating companies to bring it to market cheaper. Our government needs to get out of the way.

We should eliminate the EPA, the IRS, the DHS and probably a few more regulation creating agencies that are hamstringing our collective ability to keep this country the most free and most economically powerful in the world.

[efnfast]

Agree with the pilot. That brings up a good point, how come gas is all the same price? Shouldn't it be different with different companies. Might that not be price fixing when all the companies charge the same price, or within pennies of each other.

[John Boothby]

The great thing about this country, is that we can debate this stuff and then go VOTE! And the world goes around. Long live the ZR-1!

[FU]

Originally Posted by USAFPILOT

First of all, you shouldn't believe anything from MSNBC.

Our government needs to get out of the way.

We should eliminate the EPA, the IRS, the DHS and probably a few more regulation creating agencies that are hamstringing our collective ability to keep this country the most free and most economically powerful in the world.

Touche ! All are EXCELLENT points.

[tomtom72]

Originally Posted by FU2

Well I was hoping to discuss the effects of E15 on our ZR1 fuel systems. Hopefully E15 will be easy on the ZR1's fuel system. Or will is there enough ethanol to start effecting the later model LT5 injectors ?Will the increased ethanol start to effect (gulp) the metal ie: gas tank , fuel lines pumps etc. ? Time will tell , lets keep our finger's crossed.

Maybe this should be moved to the Tech section ?

I'd be very concerned because of our bladder in the tank, the o-rings in our fuel piping, the insulating epoxy on our injectors' coils ( OEM or aftermarket ), "wash down" effect of raw fuel on our liner walls and what happens when it reaches the oil in the sump. Maybe the last concern is a bit out there thought?


Tom

[FU]

Originally Posted by tomtom72

I'd be very concerned because of our bladder in the tank, the o-rings in our fuel piping, the insulating epoxy on our injectors' coils ( OEM or aftermarket ), "wash down" effect of raw fuel on our liner walls and what happens when it reaches the oil in the sump. Maybe the last concern is a bit out there thought?


Tom

All are valid concern's Tom. The 'wash down" effect of the highly corrosive ethanol will be a problem. OEM injectors will be done with and possibly fuel lines etc.
And this is all due to lobbyist concern's , and not the green weenies. The ethanol from the gas stations here on Long island is making it's way into the groundwater and drinking water.

[BigJohn]

You can drink Ethanol!
Methanol would kill you and is highly corrosive, but has been used in racing for years.

[John Boothby]

They havn't remediated all those leaky steel underground tanks back there yet? All the steel tanks out here were replaced with fiberglass way back in the 70's 80's. There are still some old gas station sites being monitored here. All part of the super fund, if I remember right.

[WB9MCW]

I had the pleasure of cleaning out my 350cc Yamaha Enduro this spring because it would only idle and not accelerate when started after not being run since last spring.

(I know stable or draining the carb would have prevented this but I did not plan to go this long between running the bike)

First I tried changing the gas out but same conditions so off came the carb.

Now I have torn down many carbs on various motorcycles I have owned over the years but this time I found something I have never seen before.

In the float bowl I found a dried up paste of green anywhere that the gas had been.

This paste of green was coating everything. Now I have never encountered this before so I took a smell of the carb bowl.

It smelled like fresh cut grass a very strong mint type smell.

Then it hit me -- it was the smell you get from a plant when you pinch the stem and the green fluid comes out -- chlorophyll -- Yes indeed the biomolecule critical in photosynthesis allowing plants to absorb energy from light.

It took a long time to clean this green paste out of the bowl and off all the jets etc.

Once done and reassembled the bike fired right up and was good to go and all back to 100% operation.

So unless I am wrong I figure that anytime you allow this E10 gas to sit for a long time and it evaporates off you get the mean green pasties.

My conclusion is that plant material even when refined to ethanol does not really mix well and fully with petrol. It seems to me it was a very bad idea and we all have been sold out and pushed down the road.

If I can see these results in a simple dirt bike carb I can only imagine what happens in complex fuel delivery systems like the ZR-1.

I am so glad I fire up my Z every 30 days and never let the gas get too old.

My marine mechanic friend tells me that Mercury Marine has put out special notice on E10 for their engines.
1- The E10 can go bad in as little as 30 days (so use stable in all gas now)
2- Do not store the boat full tank - Use up as much a you can and store with low level in the tank - The fill up come spring time will allow the ethanol to attract and combine with any H2O condensate just like adding "heat" to your gas.

The problem I see with our Z doing this is the well known issues with a low tank allowing air to rust the pump and float etc.

Final conclusions -- I now run STABLE in everything since E10 is a bummer and screwing everything up.

It can only be worse with E15.

[FU]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

You can drink Ethanol!
Methanol would kill you and is highly corrosive, but has been used in racing for years.

give me a M for 200 Alex. And yes....I'll drink to that (ethanol).

Originally Posted by John Boothby

They havn't remediated all those leaky steel underground tanks back there yet? All the steel tanks out here were replaced with fiberglass way back in the 70's 80's. There are still some old gas station sites being monitored here. All part of the super fund, if I remember right.

The tanks were replaced with double walled fiberglass and are monitored on a regular basis now. What's getting in the groundwater is the vapor's of Methanol from the gas. That stuff is that bad .