OK...So what is the "FBI" & what is the FBI 500????

[cvette98pacecar]

Originally Posted by -=Jeff=-

Let us know when you will be here and we can try to schedule a pizza gathering too

I have to take my Grandchildren Christmas Shopping, I will be in Chicago Dec 28th weekend. I would be more than happy to meet everyone for a good piece of pie.

[Hib Halverson]

Originally Posted by Pete

The 350ci/500 would not be possible today if it wasn't for the FBI. (snip)

Pete

I respect the business FBI has today, but the above is statement is nothing but a crock of BS.

The 350 in my 95, when it was built in 1997, made 413-hp at the wheels SAE-corrected which, with the 18% C4 manual driveline loss, maths to about 503-hp at the flywheel. The engine has stock cams, VanDeventer heads, cleaned-up stock manifolds, cats, a Z-Industries cal and a custom-build exhaust which uses Flowmaster mufflers.

And yeah...the drivability is there, too.

Automasters built that motor 15 years ago...when "FBI" didn't even exist.

Hell DRM was building 475-hp 350s 20 years ago.

[LGAFF]

I believe that is referring to the head work Pete came up with that moved the cars the next level...Pete's 350 has 470+ rwhp....not sure others have matched that

[LGAFF]

I will say that Pete has done alot of expensive/extensive research.....funniest thing I came across is the fact that Petes cam profiles(done with his own research) are nearly the exact profile that my cams have, and those cams were designed by a group of engineers and cam experts back in the 90s....same guys that made one of the fastest cars in the world.

Pete uses the same practical "engineering" that the folks at Mercury used....based upon experience and not following the "rules"

[Pete]

If one is racing dyno sheets you can shoot out any HP #'s.
The question is can they back them up?

I guess i should've said 550hp
If 413 RWHP is 513 crank then what's 435-440 rwhp?

435-450 rwhp is the norm today for a 350ci these #'s were achieved with 368ci back in the day.
So your saying is all the guys who make 435-450 rwhp and back it up with a 350 ci LT5 are all BS.

This is getting a bit tiresome and old.
Flip me over,i'm done.
Pete

[Blue Flame Restorations]

You can lead a horse to water...but if he thinks he already knows everything there is to know about water.................

[Paul Workman]

Originally Posted by Hib Halverson

I respect the business FBI has today, but the above is statement is nothing but a crock of BS.

The 350 in my 95, when it was built in 1997, made 413-hp at the wheels SAE-corrected which, with the 18% C4 manual driveline loss, maths to about 503-hp at the flywheel. If you use the more common, 15% number, it makes 513-hp at the flywheel. The engine has stock cams, VanDeventer heads, cleaned-up stock manifolds, cats, a Z-Industries cal and a custom-build exhaust which uses Flowmaster mufflers.

And yeah...the drivability is there, too.

Automasters built that motor 15 years ago...when "FBI" didn't even exist.

Hell DRM was building 475-hp 350s 20 years ago.

Hib,

First of all, if you're gonna cry "crock of BS", you should at least have your math right...

413/.82 (18% drivetrain loss) = 503+ chp

However,

413/.85 (15%** drivetrain loss) = aprox 486 chp, not 513

So, it would appear your numbers from days of old are LOW (aka NOT the state of the art, is plain to see), which marginalizes your supposition that somehow "others" got there first and Pete's comment may (in fact) stand after all!

Current FBI performance levels didn't happen all at once. There was and continues to be considerable trial and error involved - constant pushing of the envelope. And, if you think the epitomy was reached by Automasters or VDV or Rippie some 20 years ago, I invite you to check your math and have a discussion with those owners that had their rides initially done some 20 years ago and since modified by Marc or Pete or Lee or Bob and get their opinion of where the state of the art is NOW.

Driving a new stake in the ground...

Pete is now at a documented 474 rwhp on a stock bottom 350 with cams and continues to push the envelope. Marc now advertises a 510 hp package, based on the 15% inertia losses. Pete's saying "if it weren't for the FBI, there wouldn't be a 500 package", I believe means when others left off, he and others have continued to push and push and push the na LT5 with ever improving results. But, soon as one of these monsters gets into the puplic and changed hands once or twice, anyone with a snap gauge and a degree wheel can build a copy (and have!) is Pete's point. LOTS of copying has been done. Others now building 500 packages may well be standing on shoulders of Pete, Marc, Bob G, Lee, to name a few.

Time slips talk and BS walks. Care to bring your "513" hp 95 to a dyno or a drag strip and run it against my little ol' 508 hp FBI? See you at BG next spring???

P.

[BigJohn]

Everyone please re-do your math!!!
It is giving me a headache!!!

[WB9MCW]

[Kevin]

i've never believed that hp loss is a %, it has to be a fixed number. the tranny doesn't use more HP just because there is more available.