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GOLDCYLON · 05-12-2009

I gotta ask guys, I understand the concept of pressure and downforce but would not the extra drag of the diffusers cause major tire wear? Or is the handling the offset? GC

flyin ryan · 05-12-2009

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Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON

I gotta ask guys, I understand the concept of pressure and downforce but would not the extra drag of the diffusers cause major tire wear? Or is the handling the offset? GC

Good question Daryll, not much has been made about tire wear on diffuser shod cars, so i would assume not

. From what i understand the extra downforce loads the 'Whole car', not just the back end, so the tire wear would be split among all 'Four' tires, making any 'extra' tire wear not so bad.

tomtom72 · 05-19-2009

Yea I think the "have not's" have arrived, specially the Brawn F1 team. I do believe that the new players have a slight edge w/ the now "legal" diffusers. It appears to me that they have a bit more aero-grip from the under tray and that allows them to use less wing and get a bit more straight line speed in otherwise "high down force" situations. I also suspect that a side benefit of their diffuser is a bit more disturbed air off of the rear so following closely causes the follower to loose the nose to a greater degree....that's just what I think I'm seeing, I could be needing better glasses though!

This week at Monaco should be interesting though. High mechanical grip and high aero grip, not much of a top end place and ya need good stuff out of the turn....this could be fun to watch.

Tom

flyin ryan · 05-19-2009

No passing coming up this week. On one hand Monaco is kinda neat & cool but on the other hand, as far as racing on Sunday, it's a joke

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tomtom72 · 05-20-2009

Okay so I'm the eternal optimist, or very nostalgic....

....I can't help but think that this new aero pkg may, I stress "may", contribute to some on the track passing at a place as tight as Monaco. I hope.

I base that opinion upon no actual understanding of F1 car design.

flyin ryan · 05-20-2009

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Originally Posted by tomtom72

Okay so I'm the eternal optimist, or very nostalgic....

....I can't help but think that this new aero pkg may, I stress "may", contribute to some on the track passing at a place as tight as Monaco. I hope.

I base that opinion upon no actual understanding of F1 car design.

Ha, ha....good one

tomtom72 · 05-22-2009

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Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON

I gotta ask guys, I understand the concept of pressure and downforce but would not the extra drag of the diffusers cause major tire wear? Or is the handling the offset? GC

Ya know Daryl I do think ( I shouldn't do that!) that there is a trade off involved. I'm not sure that all the trick diffuser cars have equal tire distress though. It seems to me that some of the premature front tire graining maybe related to the exact configuration of the trick diffusers. Not all of those guys are having the same magnitude of graining, and even the guys without the trick diffusers are having graining issues. I'm going to guess that the aero loading caused by the trick diffusers, and even the std diffusers is biased to the rear of the car. I think that may cause the front to be sliding around more, generally.

tomtom72 · 05-23-2009

Ha Ha Ryan I'm for sure getting senile. I'm watching qualifying at Monaco and I have truly forgotten how impossibly tight that course is....I have to agree with you. The only passing will be in the pits.

Oh, btw, Hamilton just locked the rear & slammed the wall, he will not get past Q1 session. Jez, some of these guys looked to be on the edge in Q1, and they were using all of the road!

flyin ryan · 05-25-2009

I recorded the race & watched it last night. Tough staying awake for the whole thing

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tomtom72 · 05-25-2009

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Originally Posted by flyin ryan

I recorded the race & watched it last night. Tough staying awake for the whole thing

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but there was some passing going on at the back of the field....okay I know, I know, I need to get better glasses. That place is just too tight, but watching individual cars & their performance was interesting. Those guys can wheel!

Take heart Ryan....Turkey is next and then GB, Hungary, Monza.....

faaaaast tracks where we will see whom has caught up to whom....

05-12-2009	#21
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05-19-2009	#23
tomtom72 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Jacksonville, FL USA Posts: 4,645	Re: Honda bows out of F1 ! ! ! Economy hurts ! Yea I think the "have not's" have arrived, specially the Brawn F1 team. I do believe that the new players have a slight edge w/ the now "legal" diffusers. It appears to me that they have a bit more aero-grip from the under tray and that allows them to use less wing and get a bit more straight line speed in otherwise "high down force" situations. I also suspect that a side benefit of their diffuser is a bit more disturbed air off of the rear so following closely causes the follower to loose the nose to a greater degree....that's just what I think I'm seeing, I could be needing better glasses though! This week at Monaco should be interesting though. High mechanical grip and high aero grip, not much of a top end place and ya need good stuff out of the turn....this could be fun to watch. Tom __________________ 1990 ZR-1, Black/grey, #2233, stock. ZR-1 Net Reg Founding Member #316 & NCM member

05-19-2009	#24
flyin ryan Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta or Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 2,741	Re: Honda bows out of F1 ! ! ! Economy hurts ! No passing coming up this week. On one hand Monaco is kinda neat & cool but on the other hand, as far as racing on Sunday, it's a joke . __________________ There are no limit's mans ingenuity, just as mans ingenuity will never conquer the forces & behavior of this planet...Smokey Y.

05-20-2009	#25
tomtom72 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Jacksonville, FL USA Posts: 4,645	Re: Honda bows out of F1 ! ! ! Economy hurts ! Okay so I'm the eternal optimist, or very nostalgic........I can't help but think that this new aero pkg may, I stress "may", contribute to some on the track passing at a place as tight as Monaco. I hope. I base that opinion upon no actual understanding of F1 car design. __________________ 1990 ZR-1, Black/grey, #2233, stock. ZR-1 Net Reg Founding Member #316 & NCM member

05-23-2009	#28
tomtom72 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Jacksonville, FL USA Posts: 4,645	Re: Honda bows out of F1 ! ! ! Economy hurts ! Ha Ha Ryan I'm for sure getting senile. I'm watching qualifying at Monaco and I have truly forgotten how impossibly tight that course is....I have to agree with you. The only passing will be in the pits. Oh, btw, Hamilton just locked the rear & slammed the wall, he will not get past Q1 session. Jez, some of these guys looked to be on the edge in Q1, and they were using all of the road! __________________ 1990 ZR-1, Black/grey, #2233, stock. ZR-1 Net Reg Founding Member #316 & NCM member

05-25-2009	#29
flyin ryan Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Edmonton, Alberta or Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 2,741	Re: Honda bows out of F1 ! ! ! Economy hurts ! I recorded the race & watched it last night. Tough staying awake for the whole thing . __________________ There are no limit's mans ingenuity, just as mans ingenuity will never conquer the forces & behavior of this planet...Smokey Y.