NW area status?

[ZRWON]

Originally Posted by IowaZR-1

I can see both sides.....who's fault is it?.......does it really mater?.....it's water under the bridge so to speak.....having been at odds with a younger brother for many many years......nothing was accomplished except lost time we could have spend together....is $875 going to tear us apart into 2 groups?....I surely hope NOT!....let's all learn from each other mistakes and move on after all that is what we are about here isn't it?...the brotherhood of the "Beast" ....sharing and enjoying this fabulous car we love.

Thank you for your words of wisdom.

I was wondering last night if ZR-1 members in other regions were reading this embarrassing petty crap going on between those in NW region and those mighty ones of power in our Executive branch who demand strict adherence to every detail of the rule book even tho some of us don't know them.
I also wondered if we in NW Region were being punished because Jeff Flint was involved in our great stupid mistake... even if it was caused by Jeff. He paid for his mistakes...NOW, get rid of the "punish bad Jeff" crap and get on with productive things.
From some of the executive's comments I've been reading you'd get the impression they were comanding officers or heads of large corporations; not leaders of a social organization.
We the Registry members are not your minions
I''ve seen too many Corvette clubs go down the tubes because political factions destroyed them. PLEASE, NOT HERE
Is all this petty bickering with things like... he said, or I said or rule 31 said, or it was not a formal event, published to all members, or will he attend. etc, going to be the demise of what we all wanted when we first started this group?
I wasn't invited to the outlawed gathering at Jeff's house...maybe because I never attended onein the past and he/they knew I wouldn't attend this one...who gives a sh3t. It's not a failure of any importance.

It's time we have an attitude adjustment by OUR all powerful executives.
Examine why we exist and what you as leaders should be doing to help the group vs. exerting your authority and tearing us apart.

Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy

Let's resolve to forget yesterday and move on as a group of friends helping one another.
If you don't want to be a team member/player then move on to another sport.
Enuff is Enuff

[1990 415]

Originally Posted by ZRWON

Thank you for your words of wisdom.

I was wondering last night if ZR-1 members in other regions were reading this embarrassing petty crap going on between those in NW region and those mighty ones of power in our Executive branch who demand strict adherence to every detail of the rule book even tho some of us don't know them.
I also wondered if we in NW Region were being punished because Jeff Flint was involved in our great stupid mistake... even if it was caused by Jeff. He paid for his mistakes...NOW, get rid of the "punish bad Jeff" crap and get on with productive things.
From some of the executive's comments I've been reading you'd get the impression they were comanding officers or heads of large corporations; not leaders of a social organization.
We the Registry members are not your minions
I''ve seen too many Corvette clubs go down the tubes because political factions destroyed them. PLEASE, NOT HERE
Is all this petty bickering with things like... he said, or I said or rule 31 said, or it was not a formal event, published to all members, or will he attend. etc, going to be the demise of what we all wanted when we first started this group?
I wasn't invited to the outlawed gathering at Jeff's house...maybe because I never attended onein the past and he/they knew I wouldn't attend this one...who gives a sh3t. It's not a failure of any importance.

It's time we have an attitude adjustment by OUR all powerful executives.
Examine why we exist and what you as leaders should be doing to help the group vs. exerting your authority and tearing us apart.

Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy

Let's resolve to forget yesterday and move on as a group of friends helping one another.
If you don't want to be a team member/player then move on to another sport.
Enuff is Enuff

I completely agree with you. This is a car club for car guys, not an assembly of bureaucrats who need to follow every bylaw to the letter. ZRWON, would you consider running for president of the Registry. You have the moxie this club really needs

[-=Jeff=-]

Originally Posted by ZRWON

Thank you for your words of wisdom.

I was wondering last night if ZR-1 members in other regions were reading this embarrassing petty crap going on between those in NW region and those mighty ones of power in our Executive branch who demand strict adherence to every detail of the rule book even tho some of us don't know them.

Yep I read it last night.. Now I am undecided on renewing for next year..

Depending who wins will determine if I renew I think

ZRWON, I agree with 1990 415, I think you as president is what this organization needs

[ZRWON]

Originally Posted by 1990 415

I completely agree with you. This is a car club for car guys, not an assembly of bureaucrats who need to follow every bylaw to the letter. ZRWON, would you consider running for president of the Registry. You have the moxie this club really needs

I'd like to do more but at my age (77) andwith my health problems I would not be able to serve as needed. Thanks for the nice words!!! Bill

[bobbyhi]

Ok now you got my dander up If an organization has by-laws then they should be followed to the letter. That's why they are there. If the organization decides they will not follow the by-laws what good are they. Are we to choose which we like and which we don't like??? They were put in place for a reason. I, for one, have read the by-laws and they are pretty explicid regarding functions. From what I gather from the posts that the rules were followed as they should have been. Let's get over this and stop this talk about not renewing memberships because of this minor bump in the road. Worse things are likely to happen in your life.

Done with my rant - flame me if you want......

[4DSZR1]

Originally Posted by ZRWON

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I also wondered if we in NW Region were being punished because Jeff Flint was involved in our great stupid mistake... even if it was caused by Jeff. He paid for his mistakes...NOW, get rid of the "punish bad Jeff" crap and get on with productive things....

Enuff is Enuff

This is EXACTLY what this issue is about. I find it sad when egos have power in our social organization.

Rick

[Nick]

Originally Posted by 4DSZR1

This is EXACTLY what this issue is about. I find it sad when egos have power in our social organization.

Rick

Rick, sadly, this is what it has become. Arrogance reigns supreme in some examples here.
We should just do our own thing, and forget the Registry. That's what apparently is happening for 2010 anyway. We tried!

[ZRWON]

Originally Posted by bobbyhi

Ok now you got my dander up If an organization has by-laws then they should be followed to the letter. That's why they are there. If the organization decides they will not follow the by-laws what good are they. Are we to choose which we like and which we don't like??? They were put in place for a reason. I, for one, have read the by-laws and they are pretty explicid regarding functions. From what I gather from the posts that the rules were followed as they should have been. Let's get over this and stop this talk about not renewing memberships because of this minor bump in the road. Worse things are likely to happen in your life.

Done with my rant - flame me if you want......

You are probably correct about the bylaws but how many members even know what our bylaws say. I've never seen a copy. Is it a secret document for executives only. Any of you other members ever read them? They don't exsit on clay tablets do they?
I've been a member of several social organizations where special circumstances required flexibility and these issues were addressed with with approval by some pre defined number of board members or officers etc. just in caser flexilility was needed
In most large corporations they have documented policies, operating practices, administrative procedures, mission statements, goals etc. With correct lever of management approval decisions for the good of the enity were accomplished as an exception to company docs.
Maybe we need to review exactly what our bylaws state and make changes for flexibility if it's for the betterment of this social organization.

[bobbyhi]

Originally Posted by ZRWON

You are probably correct about the bylaws but how many members even know what our bylaws say. I've never seen a copy. Is it a secret document for executives only. Any of you other members ever read them? They don't exsit on clay tablets do they?
I've been a member of several social organizations where special circumstances required flexibility and these issues were addressed with with approval by some pre defined number of board members or officers etc. just in caser flexilility was needed
In most large corporations they have documented policies, operating practices, administrative procedures, mission statements, goals etc. With correct lever of management approval decisions for the good of the enity were accomplished as an exception to company docs.
Maybe we need to review exactly what our bylaws state and make changes for flexibility if it's for the betterment of this social organization.

I agree with you 100%. However, the bylaws are what they are. The new administration should set up a panel/committee to review them. As in most organizations or corporations there is a time line as to when and how to do this. This should be reviewed and the changes approved by the membership. With age comes wisdom.............

[Aurora40]

Wow! I assume most of you have met the people you are talking about? If not, maybe that's the problem. None of the guys I've met have ever struck me as anything other than car guys who enjoy ZR-1's. I've never noticed any arrogance or egotism. And I read Jerry's response. Nothing in that strikes me as anything more than an honest (and appreciated) explanation of his point of view.

The registry has something like 600 members at about $50 per (not counting any merchandising sales, etc). That's ~$30k a year. I for one am glad there is some basic process in place for disbursing that amount of money.

And I can see what Jerry was saying about tarnishing the club's reputation. Now I'm reading how it's some petty payback for Jeff (oddly you all seem more outraged by the club following their rules than you were by financial misappropriation). And how the club laws are some secret that are engraved on a gold ring, only visible with fire (here's a clue, they are right on the registry website: http://www.zr1netregistry.com/member/memberbylaws.htm). There's more drama than daytime TV!

How many people went to this event? It was $875/how many people? The Registry has made their decision to play by the rules they set out. If it's going to cause such bad blood for the NW folks, I'd be willing to chip in a few bucks to help out, I'm sure others would be as well.