Why isn't the Registry open to all Z? - Page 2 - ZR-1 Net Registry Forums

Paul Workman · 03-02-2017

As I see it...

The FORUM would easily accommodate other ZR's; a la the CF for only ONE example. Perhaps including other "ZR(one) owners and enthusiasts isn't such a big leap??

The By-Laws state:

Section 2: Purpose Established

The general purpose of The ZR-1 Net Registry, will be educational, to operate as a nonprofit organization, to encourage planned trips, events and social activities for members and to provide and regulate events and exhibitions for ZR-1 Corvette owners and enthusiasts.

As for "the powers that be", that isn't the BOD. The "powers that be" is the MEMBERS.

Pros vs. Cons... Lots to consider - far as expansion goes. Reaping the benefits without loosing anything we (the Registry) has got...is the trick, IMO.

S.hafsmo · 03-02-2017

As mentioned in a similar discussion, pressing "Today's posts" on Corvetteforum doesn't do you much good if you're looking for LT5 or even C4 related posts. This forum currently sees 20-50 posts a day (Probably a poor estimate), but they are all relevant to car that is the common denominator of the members of the forum, thus leaving you with the possibility to look through all new posts.

Adding all other generations of ZR-1 would probably result in 10 - 100 times more traffic, reducing posts relevant to the current users from 100%, to 1-10%, which in turn will cause people to stop using functions like "Today's posts", and only browse certain parts, further reducing activity in the LT5 related threads.

This can of course be solved by completely separating the different generations. Multiple forums under one roof. Though I have not pondered too much of what could be gained of such a setup.

Note: This is only my personal opinion. As a new member it's also hard to understand the purpose of the Registry (If one removes the forum from the equation), but having read almost the whole Z-registry correspondence between 1995 and 2007 (still reading), I am very much aware of it's initial purpose.

Performawheels · 03-02-2017

If it was open to all gens , I'd continue to browse (like I do at CF) but I doubt I'd keep paying money each year for a membership. I value the mission, purpose, and focus of the current site. Just my .02 cents.

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DRM500RUBYZR-1 · 03-02-2017

I stand by my earlier posts, both in this thread and the members only thread, which was supportive of adding the newer generations.

I will add that if you look at the number of users each time you come on board, you might be troubled, as I am, by the small numbers of active users at any given time.

Adding new gen sections would vastly improve that traffic, and surely there would be cross-pollination of the different generations.

More traffic in no way is a bad thing.

Added generations in separate sections, in no meaningful way, destroys or diminishes the value of the C-4 ZR-1 Registry. You lose (or gain) nothing unless you click on that section.

Don't like new gen? Don't go there. Simple.

One last thought.

New(er) Gen could become bigger than us, and if separate, they might add a C-4 gen section. Why help that happen?

We don't stay King of the Hill by Divine Right.

By now, enough commentary has been brought forth.

Time seems right for a decision.

Marty

efnfast · 03-02-2017

Never visit the CF site. I've got everything I need right here.

XfireZ51 · 03-02-2017

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Originally Posted by efnfast

Never visit the CF site. I've got everything I need right here.

Why do u assume that would ever change? I don't understand this concern. If u read the by-laws you will note that a"anyone can join this Registry. It does not require owning a C4 ZR-1. This forum and Registry could be "overrun" TODAY. Hasn't happened. There were 6900+ C4 ZRs built and only 4300 C6 ZRs.

Racinfan83 · 03-02-2017

I will add this tidbit of info from experience. I had a Nova before the Z. I was a longtime member and moderator on the #1 Nova Forum site on the net. There are of course 4 generations of Chevy Novas. The site had separate forums for each generation - as well as all the other common forum headings (General, Wheels & Tires, Drag Racing, Engine Discussion, Etc Etc)
However what happened in many cases is that a thread would get started and commented on - only to figure out ten posts down that the answers didn't pertain to the generation of car the OP was posting about - either because they didn't specify, or had no car info on their visible profile for reference. So basically 10 people either gave wrong info, or had to ask the OP what year car he had. I can see this happening here - no matter how many sticky's and rules you post to "keep your posts in the right topic" - some people just ain't gonna get it.
SO - while I am not completely opposed to allowing others in - I would also like to caution you of the extra moderation required, and that it will cause "dilution" of some of the posts. Some C6 guy is gonna come on and play "knowitall" and post on every C4 post. Or vice versa. Seen it happen. We banned some guys that came on and would argue to the death which generation was better, etc. This site is pretty calm for the most part - which is how it should be. We can pretty much get pertinent info within a couple days on about any problem we experience without having to root through all the garbage posts. And that is a GOOD thing... Just my 2 cents on the subject

Z51JEFF · 03-02-2017

As far as the idea of interest diminishing in this site if there were other pages,I don't see that. My BOOKMARKS are the ZR-1 sites first then other Corvette sites second,thats how I look at them. As far as the header at the top of the page should things change,the C4 ZR-1 should always be center stage flanked by the other gens. If somebody has a specific interest in a specific Gen that's where they are going to look and then once they find what they need they will browse the other GEN out of curiosity to see what's there.

XfireZ51 · 03-02-2017

To reiterate, the by-laws don't require any member to be an owner of a C4 ZR-1. So the issue of "dilution" is difficult to understand. I have been on CF for 15 years. My interaction w those who may own or are enthusiasts of ANY Corvette has typically been a positive one. And I get to tell them how great a C4 ZR is.
And as a C4 ZR owner of 10 years, I am excited as hell to hear that GM is planning on bringing out a successor to our KOTH. And that they honor that legacy by powering it with a successor to the original LT5. If that's not deserving of brotherhood, I am not sure what is.

Kevin · 03-03-2017

Separate generation forums under this roof wouldn't be the worst thing. It would help our numbers at Carlisle

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Paul Workman Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Squires (near Ava MO in the Mark Twain N'tl Forest) - Missouri Posts: 6,493	Re: Why isn't the Registry open to all Z? As I see it... The FORUM would easily accommodate other ZR's; a la the CF for only ONE example. Perhaps including other "ZR(one) owners and enthusiasts isn't such a big leap?? The By-Laws state: Section 2: Purpose Established The general purpose of The ZR-1 Net Registry, will be educational, to operate as a nonprofit organization, to encourage planned trips, events and social activities for members and to provide and regulate events and exhibitions for ZR-1 Corvette owners and enthusiasts. As for "the powers that be", that isn't the BOD. The "powers that be" is the MEMBERS. Pros vs. Cons... Lots to consider - far as expansion goes. Reaping the benefits without loosing anything we (the Registry) has got...is the trick, IMO. __________________ Good carz, good food, good friendz = the best of timez! 90 #1202 "FBI" top end ported & relieved Cam timing by "Pete the Greek" Sans secondaries Chip & dyno tuning by Haibeck Automotive SW headers, X-pipe, MF muffs Former Secretary, ZR-1 Net Registry

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S.hafsmo Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Norway Posts: 397	Re: Why isn't the Registry open to all Z? As mentioned in a similar discussion, pressing "Today's posts" on Corvetteforum doesn't do you much good if you're looking for LT5 or even C4 related posts. This forum currently sees 20-50 posts a day (Probably a poor estimate), but they are all relevant to car that is the common denominator of the members of the forum, thus leaving you with the possibility to look through all new posts. Adding all other generations of ZR-1 would probably result in 10 - 100 times more traffic, reducing posts relevant to the current users from 100%, to 1-10%, which in turn will cause people to stop using functions like "Today's posts", and only browse certain parts, further reducing activity in the LT5 related threads. This can of course be solved by completely separating the different generations. Multiple forums under one roof. Though I have not pondered too much of what could be gained of such a setup. Note: This is only my personal opinion. As a new member it's also hard to understand the purpose of the Registry (If one removes the forum from the equation), but having read almost the whole Z-registry correspondence between 1995 and 2007 (still reading), I am very much aware of it's initial purpose. __________________ - '90 ZR-1 Last edited by S.hafsmo; 03-02-2017 at 04:01 PM.

03-02-2017	#13
Performawheels Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Southern California Posts: 119	Re: Why isn't the Registry open to all Z? If it was open to all gens , I'd continue to browse (like I do at CF) but I doubt I'd keep paying money each year for a membership. I value the mission, purpose, and focus of the current site. Just my .02 cents. Sent from my iPhone using ZR-1 Net Registry

03-02-2017	#14
DRM500RUBYZR-1 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mullica Hill, New Jersey Posts: 2,593	Re: Why isn't the Registry open to all Z? I stand by my earlier posts, both in this thread and the members only thread, which was supportive of adding the newer generations. I will add that if you look at the number of users each time you come on board, you might be troubled, as I am, by the small numbers of active users at any given time. Adding new gen sections would vastly improve that traffic, and surely there would be cross-pollination of the different generations. More traffic in no way is a bad thing. Added generations in separate sections, in no meaningful way, destroys or diminishes the value of the C-4 ZR-1 Registry. You lose (or gain) nothing unless you click on that section. Don't like new gen? Don't go there. Simple. One last thought. New(er) Gen could become bigger than us, and if separate, they might add a C-4 gen section. Why help that happen? We don't stay King of the Hill by Divine Right. By now, enough commentary has been brought forth. Time seems right for a decision. Marty

03-02-2017	#15
efnfast Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Dunbarton NH Posts: 7,491	Re: Why isn't the Registry open to all Z? Never visit the CF site. I've got everything I need right here.

03-02-2017	#17
Racinfan83 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Eastern Missouri Posts: 773	Re: Why isn't the Registry open to all Z? I will add this tidbit of info from experience. I had a Nova before the Z. I was a longtime member and moderator on the #1 Nova Forum site on the net. There are of course 4 generations of Chevy Novas. The site had separate forums for each generation - as well as all the other common forum headings (General, Wheels & Tires, Drag Racing, Engine Discussion, Etc Etc) However what happened in many cases is that a thread would get started and commented on - only to figure out ten posts down that the answers didn't pertain to the generation of car the OP was posting about - either because they didn't specify, or had no car info on their visible profile for reference. So basically 10 people either gave wrong info, or had to ask the OP what year car he had. I can see this happening here - no matter how many sticky's and rules you post to "keep your posts in the right topic" - some people just ain't gonna get it. SO - while I am not completely opposed to allowing others in - I would also like to caution you of the extra moderation required, and that it will cause "dilution" of some of the posts. Some C6 guy is gonna come on and play "knowitall" and post on every C4 post. Or vice versa. Seen it happen. We banned some guys that came on and would argue to the death which generation was better, etc. This site is pretty calm for the most part - which is how it should be. We can pretty much get pertinent info within a couple days on about any problem we experience without having to root through all the garbage posts. And that is a GOOD thing... Just my 2 cents on the subject __________________ [LEFT][SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][/LEFT] [CENTER][COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=4][I][B] Now Sold 1990 ZR-1 #2093, Black on Black..[/B][/I][/SIZE][/COLOR][/CENTER]

03-02-2017	#18
Z51JEFF Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fremont,Ca Posts: 3,079	Re: Why isn't the Registry open to all Z? As far as the idea of interest diminishing in this site if there were other pages,I don't see that. My BOOKMARKS are the ZR-1 sites first then other Corvette sites second,thats how I look at them. As far as the header at the top of the page should things change,the C4 ZR-1 should always be center stage flanked by the other gens. If somebody has a specific interest in a specific Gen that's where they are going to look and then once they find what they need they will browse the other GEN out of curiosity to see what's there.

03-02-2017	#19
XfireZ51 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chicagoland, IL Posts: 9,708	Re: Why isn't the Registry open to all Z? To reiterate, the by-laws don't require any member to be an owner of a C4 ZR-1. So the issue of "dilution" is difficult to understand. I have been on CF for 15 years. My interaction w those who may own or are enthusiasts of ANY Corvette has typically been a positive one. And I get to tell them how great a C4 ZR is. And as a C4 ZR owner of 10 years, I am excited as hell to hear that GM is planning on bringing out a successor to our KOTH. And that they honor that legacy by powering it with a successor to the original LT5. If that's not deserving of brotherhood, I am not sure what is. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Former Membership Chairman Former ZR-1 Registry - BOD 1972 Corvette 4speed base Coupe SOLD long time ago 1984 Corvette Z-51/4+3 SOLD 1992 Corvette ZR-1 Aqua/Gray #474 SOLD 1992 Corvette ZR-1 Black Rose/Cognac #458 2014 Honda VFR Interceptor DX

03-03-2017	#20
Kevin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: pittsburgh Posts: 4,632	Re: Why isn't the Registry open to all Z? Separate generation forums under this roof wouldn't be the worst thing. It would help our numbers at Carlisle __________________ It's not the car, it's the people - Doug Johnson 90 r/r "KEYS ON" nick named "T.L.B"