The History Saga of my 94 #0009 continues...

[Roadster]

Originally Posted by csavaglio

I'm not much help on this, but my mid-production '91 steel blue (#732) was redirected to the Mesa Proving Grounds in Arizona mid build......on the build sheet, the original dealer was crossed through by hand and redirected to the proving grounds.

I was never able to find out much more about the car, whether it was used for performance testing, reliability testing, a local exec's company car, etc.

I do know the Carfax only shows owners back to '94, so a full 3 years after it was built. I'd have to look at the mileage it recorded the first time it was registered, but I believe it was around 15k miles.

If I recall correct (and it's entirely possible my mind isn't working right), the time on the build sheet is when the build sheet was printed, so it roughly corresponds to the car's production start.

I know I'm not a whole lot of help, but my car sits in that mystery zone too. I know '50s and 60's Vettes that show proving ground delivery on their build sheets are considered valuable, but that's in the eye of the buyer to place a monetary value on that sort of thing.

Chris

Chris, interesting info on your 91, yes there is a mystery to our vehicles for sure. Also similar laspe of time before both of our vechicles were registered.
I have a copy of the AutoCheck report, which I guess is similar to CarFax.
This is dated Nov, 2010.
Event Date..........Event Location........Odometer Reading.....Data Source....
10/05/1995..........CENTRAL REGION......27934.................Auto Auction......
1/12/1996............NORMAN OK.............27982.................TITLE........ .......

It stayed in NORMAN OK until 4/3/2009 with 57202 miles, which on that date was now located in STILLWATER OK, at a dealer, which I may have info on.
From there it was purchase by a buyer in VA, not sure of the purchase date, who owned the car for 3 years. A PA buyer then purchased the Z and owned for a short time and then sold to my PO, who also owned for a short time and used for very little mileage. From 2009 to 2014 just about 2700 miles were driven on the Z, not much for the last 5 years.
During the build time 9/93 to 10/95, 27934 miles were driven during those 2 years. No record of any owners during that time. So was it still being used by the engineering group??? The mystery continues, time for some more investigation..............

[Roadster]

latest update.......

contacted the OK DOT, received the forms to do a title search with all owners in that state, small fee charged, well worth it for the info that will be generated.

contacted the dealer listed on the report in 2009, was told it was sold as a used vehicle, I imagine it was a trade-in. Service manager mentioned that it was serviced there, proceeded to tell me what was done to the Z. I requested all service records if possible, willing to pay a fee for their time to research them.
Said, couldn't do now but took my # and will call when he gets them together.

So progress is being made, off to the notary and mailing out the OK DOT forms.
Hopefully within a few weeks, I will have obtained more history on #0009.
The saga keeps on going.......

[PhillipsLT5]

1 window stick shows 009, 1 shows 017 ???
1 build sheet shows 009, 1 shows 017 ???

[Roadster]

Originally Posted by PhillipsLT5

1 window stick shows 009, 1 shows 017 ???
1 build sheet shows 009, 1 shows 017 ???

Re-read post #4 as "Shrek" is writing about his friend's 93 with similar use as my 94. You are looking at 2 different Build Sheets & Window Stickers from 2 different years..... 93 & 94.......

[Schrade]

Not trying to boost your thread here Roadster; just looking over both owners' paperwork...

VS7 - NON-SALEABLE?

Anyone know how such a car gets in public hands?

Do they come with a Salvage title? WithOUT ever having gotten the 'proto-cars' 'massage'?

Why would a '94 go to GM Engineering? What was new for '94, that would warrant this? Maybe just a Quality Control random check; 'QUAL-EFFIC I'

And the handwritten notation; ship to 56052 - obviously not a car dealer. Original owner perhaps?

Any relation between Serial #, Sequence #, in Z's?

Originally Posted by Shrek

Saw it somewhere:
Buick-Oldsmobile-Cadillac (BOC)
Chevrolet-Pontiac-Canada (CPC).


My friends 93! Check out RPO codes VS7 and YE8

[Roadster]

Originally Posted by Schrade

Not trying to boost your thread here Roadster; just looking over both owners' paperwork...

VS7 - NON-SALEABLE?

Anyone know how such a car gets in public hands?

Do they come with a Salvage title? WithOUT ever having gotten the 'proto-cars' 'massage'?

Why would a '94 go to GM Engineering? What was new for '94, that would warrant this? Maybe just a Quality Control random check; 'QUAL-EFFIC I'

And the handwritten notation; ship to 56052 - obviously not a car dealer. Original owner perhaps?

Any relation between Serial #, Sequence #, in Z's?

It appears mine was sent to the auction in 1995, why would it need a salavage title?
It was used as a test vehicle, probably quality control, etc.,etc..
There are alot of vehicles that go through the same testing, whether there is something new or not for any given year.
And if you notice both the 93 and my 94 were charged and shipped to the Engineering Group, the only difference is the 93 seemed to have been shipped to a different location, not the original owner for the 93, he bought his with 15,000 miles on it.
I think it is kind of neat that there is additional history to these vehicles. Just makes it that much more interesting.

I am waiting on a fax with service records from 2009 and earlier.....
The mystery unfolds each day...........

[PhillipsLT5]

Good luck getting your answers, maybe JVD/Eric Jackson/Graham could shed some light on original sale/destination

[Roadster]

Originally Posted by PhillipsLT5

Good luck getting your answers, maybe JVD/Eric Jackson/Graham could shed some light on original sale/destination

Thanks, since being a new member not knowing everyone as of yet, Graham did give me the info (on another thread I started) about the PROM in my vehicle and the name Tim Holland. Tracked Tim down and had a great conversion. I am assuming that the other two members mentioned are just as informed as Graham??? If that is the case, I will PM them and see what info they may have.
Appreciated....................................... ...Tom

[csavaglio]

Interesting stuff, Tom. Hopefully you unravel it's story. I think uncovering a car's history is extremely interesting, especially when they have an unusual past.

If you end up with any leads about the unusual delivery cars, let me know. I'd love to find out more about my car's first few years. It does explain why mine didn't have a owner's kit. It likely never did since it wasn't sold to the public right off.

I'm working nights and I didn't check the paperwork I have on the car, but if I recall, my car didn't show an auction prior to its first owner and I'm pretty sure I don't have any unusual RPO codes, but as I mentioned, the car was destined for a normal dealer delivery initially and redirected.

Chris

[Roadster]

Originally Posted by csavaglio

Interesting stuff, Tom. Hopefully you unravel it's story. I think uncovering a car's history is extremely interesting, especially when they have an unusual past.

If you end up with any leads about the unusual delivery cars, let me know. I'd love to find out more about my car's first few years. It does explain why mine didn't have a owner's kit. It likely never did since it wasn't sold to the public right off.

I'm working nights and I didn't check the paperwork I have on the car, but if I recall, my car didn't show an auction prior to its first owner and I'm pretty sure I don't have any unusual RPO codes, but as I mentioned, the car was destined for a normal dealer delivery initially and redirected.

Chris

Chris, there is more....just received hours ago from a dealer in OK, 7 pages of service records which covered 4 different visits from March of '09 through Nov of '10 and 156 miles during that time. So for the last 5 years the Z has only racked up a total of about 2900 miles. Not driven much at all during that time span.
Also spoke to the OK DOT and found out that the Z had 3 different owners there, so I filled out the form required to get complete vehicle history of all owners in that state. And the service records I received shows "DEL DATE" of 01JAN94 DD (DD....whatever that stands for???) which is incorrect, for Tim Holland and crew were using the vehicle during that time period.
Still a few more peices of the puzzle slowly get put together.

more to follow.......