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Old 01-15-2014   #11
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That was a well thought out modification to a repeatable issue....quarters kept falling all over my inner console area. Needed something to put them in. I like to think I'm a trend setter.
I removed the ash tray and just put the quarters in that rubber liner thingy. Did you put something under the flip top lid to hold quarters?

I use quarters LOTS.....carwash and Cappuccino at local Shell Station takes 8 quarters....exactly

What I over pay in gas I spend on Cappuccino.....did I just say that nonsense

On the start issue of 3 seconds......I prefer a little lag in starting to get some oil pumping at starter rpm before it reves up after started if I have a foot on it.....a better chance to pump up them Chain Tensioners and Lifters that have leaked down
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I removed the ash tray and just put the quarters in that rubber liner thingy. Did you put something under the flip top lid to hold quarters?

I use quarters LOTS.....carwash and Cappuccino at local Shell Station takes 8 quarters....exactly

What I over pay in gas I spend on Cappuccino.....did I just say that nonsense

On the start issue of 3 seconds......I prefer a little lag in starting to get some oil pumping at starter rpm before it reves up after started if I have a foot on it.....a better chance to pump up them Chain Tensioners and Lifters that have leaked down
The rubber liner thingy is now sitting under the console lid, safe and sound.....full of quarters
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Up to 3 seconds on my 90 as well, but tends to be shorter on a hot start. However, I'm in the habit of turning the key ON and listing to the fuel pumps settle before rolling the starter. It, seems to make a difference by maybe a second or so after sitting for a few days.

I read in one of my tech reference manuals that quick starts was one of the goals engineered into the Opti-Spark distributor on the LT1/4 motors. Anywayz, I mention that because that was one of the first things I noticed about my Z was the longer cranking time than my 95 LT1 Vette had. The 95 LT1 with its Opti would reliably fire practically instantly: hot or cold-COLD - it didn't usually matter!
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Up to 3 seconds on my 90 as well, but tends to be shorter on a hot start. However, I'm in the habit of turning the key ON and listing to the fuel pumps settle before rolling the starter. It, seems to make a difference by maybe a second or so after sitting for a few days.

I read in one of my tech reference manuals that quick starts was one of the goals engineered into the Opti-Spark distributor on the LT1/4 motors. Anywayz, I mention that because that was one of the first things I noticed about my Z was the longer cranking time than my 95 LT1 Vette had. The 95 LT1 with its Opti would reliably fire practically instantly: hot or cold-COLD - it didn't usually matter!
I agree. I always let the pumps run prior to starting.
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Old 01-15-2014   #15
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It has to find #1 before it starts
Where's Steve here - is this something that's coded into the ECM? Can you explain this a little more in depth?

This is pretty interesting here...

Does Marc's code over-write for hard hot re-starts have anything to do with the 'find #1 before starting' code?

Mine is the first fuel injected car I've ever owned, that didn't start immediately. I usually keep them tuned well, and mine is pretty cleaned up now (32k), and does start marginally faster with Marc's Memory / Calibration Module here...
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That "rubber liner thingy"? I've had 3 C4s 2
from new and didn't have one? Do the later cars,
91 on, have them? Often wondered what to do with my quarters...
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My statement is a very abbreviated, It refuses section in the FSM 6E3-A-22 thru 29 and 6E3-A-52 & 53 basically when cranking the ECM must see the Camshaft sensor at #1 before it starts. I could be wrong but that's how I read it.
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My statement is a very abbreviated, It refuses section in the FSM 6E3-A-22 thru 29 and 6E3-A-52 & 53 basically when cranking the ECM must see the Camshaft sensor at #1 before it starts. I could be wrong but that's how I read it.
Thanks! You know more than I do here, and I'd sure like to learn more on it...

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That "rubber liner thingy"? I've had 3 C4s 2
from new and didn't have one? Do the later cars,
91 on, have them? Often wondered what to do with my quarters...
I do not know if the Rubber Liner Thingys are stock or not....but.....you can get them on Ebay....but it will cost you 64 quarters

Rubber Liner Thingy on Ebay

I kind of like to spin the crankshaft with the starter a bit as the oil circulates just a tad before it revs up.....I forget exactly when the oil pressure starts showing on the gage but I think I recall oil pressure showing a tad when doing a compression test after a few crankshaft revolutions.....

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That "rubber liner thingy"? I've had 3 C4s 2
from new and didn't have one? Do the later cars,
91 on, have them? Often wondered what to do with my quarters...
Mid America also has them

http://www.mamotorworks.com/Corvette...ction-603188-1
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