Refinishing the engine - Would it take away NCRS points?

[Kevin]

even if you leave it stock it will loose you points. It's just not worth it IMO

[Ed Hoffman]

Corvette 95,
I am about to have my 1957 judged for the final time in an attempt to receive the Duntov Award of Excellence. It is a hard road to travel, but when you have finished, the value of the Corvette is at it's peak. Buyers look for NCRS judging awards and Bloomington Gold awards. Bloomington has not accepted Corvettes that are less than 25 years old. I just purchased a 93 Ruby ZR with 16,000 miles. The car is absolutly original and looks showroom fresh. The man I bought the car from was a fanatic about keeping and storing the car in a plastic shield. Now for NCRS judging of the ZR-1 Corvettes. The requirements are simple in design. The Corvette must look and function as it did the day it come off the showroom floor, with normal dealer prep. All parts that have a number visible, engine, Oil Filter, Battery, and all such items will be judged for originalty and condition. Every lable is judged. There is 5 sections that are judged. Operations (everything must work), exterior, interior, mechanical, and chassis. This year(2006) NCRS accepted 90 and 91 Corvettes for judging. Oh by the way, I am an NCRS judge, and the fellow(RickyRj1) who posted "NCRS Judges take payoffs" I beleive is living in Na Na land. We do this for nothing, which includes our own plane fare, lodging, and food, when we go to a judging meet. Back to your question. The first thing you need to do is contact and join an NCRS chapter in your area. I know there is a Southeast Chapter and can be reached at (770) 338-2806. After you join the Chapter, you then become eligible to join the National Chapter of NCRS (NCRS.com). You then purchase the NCRS Technicle Information Manual & Judging Guide. This will walk you thru every area that will be judged. My advise to you is, if you want to start down this road be prepared to spend some dollars. The older the Corvette the more expensive it will be. The ZR-1 will be the L-88 or L-89 when it is a few years older. Remember the big block cars started out and 5,000 to 6,000 not long ago. Now look at their value. The ZR-s and the ZO-6's are going to be just like those corvettes. If you need any additional info just e-mail me.

Ed 93 Ruby #384
Stock
Going to NCRS for judging April 2007, Las Vegas, Nv.

[RICKYRJ1]

Ed, The judge pay-off comment was a joke! If you look back at the posting date, it was post Super Bowl. There was a on going rant about the game. How did you find out I live in Na Na Land? The NY Times? Good luck with your car

[taximan1]

Ed is right on with his comments.

I have been an NCRS judge for 2 years now, and a member for 15 years. It is a very worthwhile and informative organization, and plays a huge part in the history and future of Corvette.

I have had 3 Corvettes flight judged over the last 15 years, a 66, a 63 SWC, and currently a 67 BB. I have had a 93 40th annv. ZR1, and a yellow 94 zr1. I regret selling them both, thats why I just purchased a 94 Torch zr1.

I would highly encourage zr1 owners to consider participating in the NCRS. We need new people coming in with knowledge and desire to grow the C4 segment (especially zr1,s) of NCRS.

NCRS is not for everyone. But it is an organization with a lot of good, friendly people that put in a lot of time to this hobby. Don't be scared away by stories of some "super anal" individuals that want to criticize your car like its a piece of crap. There are some of these people in NCRS judging, but fortunately they are the extreme minority.

Ed, good luck on your Duntov award journey. That is certainly a very respected and difficult level to obtain. I only made it to regional top flights on my cars. Unfortunately, with midyears, to go to national level TF requires serious coin for rare items.

[Ed Hoffman]

Amen to that taximan. Oh to have the split window again. Now for Ricky, I knew it was not stated in a serious tone. What I wanted to let the rest of the folks know is, we in NCRS are attempting to draw in the younger group. We, myself included, are the way over the hill gang. All of NCRS wants to pass the torch. Those of us who are long in the tooth, want to teach the razor tothed guys and girls for only one reason. We want the greatest sports car in the world, made in America, to last. By passing the torch we can go to the big Sebring in the sky, knowing all is well and in good hands.

[Kevin]

I'm 24 and I've been involved with the NCRS for many years. I'll say this, it is not for me. I'll judge cars but I'll never put my car through that rigmarole. When it comes to the motor paint you're going to loose points either way. It won't look like it came from the factory and it won't be in a nice condition so you loose points no matter what.

Just PC the damn thing and call it a day.

[RICKYRJ1]

Originally Posted by Ed Hoffman

Amen to that taximan. Oh to have the split window again. Now for Ricky, I knew it was not stated in a serious tone. What I wanted to let the rest of the folks know is, we in NCRS are attempting to draw in the younger group. We, myself included, are the way over the hill gang. All of NCRS wants to pass the torch. Those of us who are long in the tooth, want to teach the razor tothed guys and girls for only one reason. We want the greatest sports car in the world, made in America, to last. By passing the torch we can go to the big Sebring in the sky, knowing all is well and in good hands.

I feel ya The older guys do have to pass the torch to the next generation. NCRS is a positve force in the corvette world but a tough one to crack. I have a 95 ZR1 w/4000 miles, Not original battery, BB exhaust but do have the original to put back on, a hole cut into my upper radiator shroud ( previous owner) I have a new shroud but not all the stickers that go on it ( most are discontinued) Everything else has never been touched. If it stayed in its present condition except for more miles what would the judges give it? Don't worry I won't quote you on it. I'm just putting it out there for further discussion on this matter. It might give us younger guys a good frame of reference on what we are looking at when our cars are qualified to be judged.

[taximan1]

1. Non original battery is 5 points
2. Non original exhaust would be a huge hit (around 85 points)
3. ypu would lose a few condition points for a cut shroud
4. missing or incorrect decals are usually 1 point each.

Remember, even if everything else is correct, you would probably lose condition points along the line. But you would probably sail through to a top flight. Probably somewhere between 96.5 to 98.0

[Ed Hoffman]

To all who read this message. NCRS gives all of the judged corvettes 4510 points to start with. Remember all 93-95 ZR-1's were built in 1993. The exhaust is no big thing to acquire, I have seen them on the net for a few hundred dollars, I know of three systems right here in Las Vegas. Most of the lables will or have been reproduced by after market sources. If not do what I did, go on the NCRS Tech Net and see if anyone has the items. You would be surprised. I just found an NOS PF-970C, still in the original box, oil filter. It was'nt $11.00 like the new replacement, but was very reasonable. That is now, wait until 2008 when all of the ZR's will be accepted for judging by NCRS, the price for everything will go up. An example is, the matching four barrel carbs for my 57 cost $56.00 from 1957 thru 1970's. That is $25.00 each plus tax. A set of those carbs, on an original Intake manifold, with the original air cleaners, and thermostat housing costs around (NOS) $5,000.00, thats inflation, and lack or parts. You figure there was 6,336 1957's made and 6,600+ ZR-1's made, all you have to do is the math. Like I have said in another thread, the ZR will be the way of the BB 427 of the 60's and 70's. Check out those figures at Barrett-Jackson, wow.

[taximan1]

Well said,

The bottomline is this. No matter what any of us think about NCRS, or "NCRS type" shows, the value of all of your zr1 's in the future will be determined by condition and originality. No other organization in the world sets the standard to knowledgeable Corvette buyers, like the NCRS.

Think about it... in 10, 15, 20 years and beyond, you will have the most limited production, full VIN produced Corvette since the 1953 Corvette. When investors, or plain old buyers for that matter, look for these cars in the future, they are going to look for originality, and condition. They won't care how reliable a particular zr1 was when SCCA raced, or how fast another did the quarter mile with a LPE makeover. They will want originality, and condition. It has been that way for every Corvette since 1953.

This doesn't mean that anyone who cusomizes or races their zr1 is wrong. They are not. Their is no right or wrong answer. If a zr1 gives its owner many years of pleasure by beating it down a 1/4 mile track, then that owner made the right choice. If an original owner is a big time "waxer", then that works for him.

If you don't care what your zr1 is worth down the road, then none of this matters. If you do care, you have to realize that the NCRS is extremely well respected as one of the ultimate sources of value (ie. originality and condition).