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Old 09-09-2011   #11
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but I'm serious...what stress? It takes 8"Hg & they're open fully. They don't close until you back out enough that the ECM says okay, no more. The only stress has to be from the intake stroke when they're closed, right?

On another note: I do hope you get the worst case of permagrin that side of the great plains!


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Tom I concur. The fatigue could be vibration and heat realated and not pressure/tension alone.

I was skeptical as well but remember this has happened to me twice. Once to each head.
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Old 09-09-2011   #12
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To put this into perspective...this is only the second time I have heard of pieces of the secondaries or parts of the throttle body getting into the cylinder. So as not to scare everybody....just check all screws and parts for tightness when you can

Actually third. This happened to each head. 2nd time was the charm
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Old 09-09-2011   #13
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i'm assuming the 11hp was due to extra work like porting or something not just tossing the plates

Well Kevin, Marc Haibeck was involved in Phils build. Im sure a little but of this and a little bit of that made 11HP possible for Phil
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Old 09-09-2011   #14
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To put this into perspective...this is only the second time I have heard of pieces of the secondaries or parts of the throttle body getting into the cylinder. So as not to scare everybody....just check all screws and parts for tightness when you can



Multiangled

Please explain to Biff

Dear Biff Valve treatment.
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90 RED/BLACK #2794. 4L60e Automatic Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless Headers, Corsa Exhaust, SAN Secondaries and Haibeck PROM, Exotic Muscle Coil overs, LED Interior Lights, LED Tail Lights, LED Headlights, 94 Sport seats with black custom Sheepskins , Cragar rear louvers, GS Front calipers, Banski Trailing arms, APSIS Carbon Fiber steering wheel, Front and Rear Baer Eradispeeds, DRLs, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension), Dewitt's Raditor with Dual SPAL fans and a Haibeck 170 T-Stat

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Old 09-09-2011   #15
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Well Kevin, Marc Haibeck was involved in Phils build. Im sure a little but of this and a little bit of that made 11HP possible for Phil
it all makes sense now
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Old 09-09-2011   #16
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Maybe even blueprinting the tranny?

Super Daryll ......

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Already done or I never would have went with the Fidanza. My transmission is a Bill special it was B&B and Cyro treated by the previous owner. One of the key factors in my decsion to buy this car. It wasnt the rear wing lol. GC
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91 WHITE/BLACK #2014. 380 P&P&PCed,Ported Heads, Jeal Long tubes, Corsa Exhaust/FIKSE FM-5s /LED TLs, LED Headlights, Front Wilwood 6 piston narrowlite calipers and rear Wilwood caliper street shop mod,CNCed Coolant Pipes,TPI Cvr,Filter cover,Stainless Bolts, DRM/DOM PROM /ZFDOC mod build #102,DRLs,BMAD with stainless Debris Screen,Coplan Air Blaster, Pioneer APP Radio 4,Brey-Krause HB,Sub Bar,Fire extinguisher seat mount,DRM Coilovers,LEDs everywhere,Compass mirror (orange),V1 DIC hidden display, Homelink sun visor, Carbon Fiber top x3 and APSIS Carbon Fiber interior, APSIS CF Steering Wheel/NAPA Leather, Banski trailing arms, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension) ZFDoc drive shaft safety loop, raptor shift light (orange),AO engineering louver front plate, Console seat cushion, 96CE seats with black custom Sheepskins, ss billet catch can,Viper remote entry/alarm,Cragar Rear Louvers,LED side louver lights, Dewitts Radiator with SPAL fans and a Woods 160 T-Stat

90 RED/BLACK #2794. 4L60e Automatic Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless Headers, Corsa Exhaust, SAN Secondaries and Haibeck PROM, Exotic Muscle Coil overs, LED Interior Lights, LED Tail Lights, LED Headlights, 94 Sport seats with black custom Sheepskins , Cragar rear louvers, GS Front calipers, Banski Trailing arms, APSIS Carbon Fiber steering wheel, Front and Rear Baer Eradispeeds, DRLs, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension), Dewitt's Raditor with Dual SPAL fans and a Haibeck 170 T-Stat

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Old 09-09-2011   #17
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Hey Goldy - I had Marc take my secondaries off this last spring. Haven't notice too much difference as I screwed up my left leg last July and I cannot push the clutch in. She just sits in the garage waiting for the leg to heal. Real bummer BTW when you decided to get rid of the wing I want first chance at it... When do you think yours will be ready for the permagrin???
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Old 09-09-2011   #18
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OMG That would ruin my day. But aren't the throttle plate screws swedged just like the air horn throttle plates to make it impossible for those screws to back out? When I took my throttle body apart for powder coating the screws looked like they were screwed in through the rod then cut off and the tips of them looked like they had been melted. So if you back them out you will rip the thread out. And the screws were flush with the back of the rod so I could not just grind the swedged tip off and unscrew them without ruining the thread. That's why I had to tap them the next size up 8-32. I would think all the throttle plat screws would be the same. Unless of course some one had messed with them previously.
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Then I had to tap them the next size up and install new SS screws and grind them flush to where the wouldn't back out. But not so much that I couldn't back them out and not have to destroy the thread again.


No Dag necessary.

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Old 09-09-2011   #20
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And Frank ought to know. BTW My heads are being ported, welded and Multiangled at this time. With Petes Intake Cams and a 380 bottom end with a Fidanza flywheel. OH Baby
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