Close to an end? Obama an illegal.

[efnfast]

I'm not convinced the media isn't controled, or influenced, or, you pick the word, by big brother. I'll blame that on Mr.Obama also. The bro has got to go. We'll be living in a socialist society shortly. Lets force health care on people. Since when is it our governments place to tell us what to buy. No thank you. If you can't afford it, you can't have it. If you didn't work for it or earn it, why should I have to give it to you? I work hard to support me and my family.

[scottfab]

Originally Posted by efnfast

snipped.... If you can't afford it, you can't have it. If you didn't work for it or earn it, why should I have to give it to you? I work hard to support me and my family.

Yah, that's the American way. You're poor so you get to die. I got mine so you can suffer cause I'm cummfy. That's the kind of thinking that wants to charge for breathing air.
Fact is government has the charge to enforce and pass laws that are for the greater good. "Socialist state"?
Right, if that's the case then Eisenhower was a socialist for making us pay for the Interstate system.

Don't follow Russ Limberger too closely. You'll start believing is popping pills too. Don't follow the leader without thinking.

The "bro" as you say has done an outstanding job. The only thing he did wrong was to waste two years trying to reason with old stuck in the mud non-thinking law makers at the beginning. Shame on him for trying to reason with them.

[XfireZ51]

Originally Posted by efnfast

I'm not convinced the media isn't controled, or influenced, or, you pick the word, by big brother. I'll blame that on Mr.Obama also. The bro has got to go. We'll be living in a socialist society shortly. Lets force health care on people. Since when is it our governments place to tell us what to buy. No thank you. If you can't afford it, you can't have it. If you didn't work for it or earn it, why should I have to give it to you? I work hard to support me and my family.

efn,

E pluribus unum. From many, one. The greatness of our country is its community. The brotherhood of man.
You are being played. Sorry, We are being played.

[John Boothby]

The way I see the Affordable Health Care Act, is that the way things are now the hospitals have to provide care to anyone that walks through their doors whether they can pay or not. Under the Affordable Health Care Act, everyone must have basic insurance or pay a fine/tax that goes to help those that cannot afford insurance, to buy it. The govrnment does not tell or force you to buy from any certain company. So, would you rather pay higher health care fees for those that do not/cannot pay, or would you like lower health care fees and everyone have insurance? The idea is that everyone will be insured and the cost will go down. By the way, THIS WAS A REPUBLICAN idea a few years ago!! Also, insurance companies will not be allowed to rape the public anymore like they have been doing for years!!

Regarding our president. I have been aware of every election since Ike, and I cannot recall the amount of hatred for a president (except Tricky Dick) that has been thrown at Obama! Like him or not, he is OUR PRESIDENT! Give him the respect the office is due and if you don't like him, VOTE. What really scares the hell out of me is that any one of the Republican candidates could actually become president!! And yes, I have voted Republican before.

[efnfast]

Politics are great, can we get into religion next?
I don't mind helping a friend, neighbor, or bro out when they are down and out. I don't like supporting those that will not help themselves or even try to help themselves.
Our government definately has a role, like building our highway system and protecting our freedoms (thank you to those that do). I just think they are way overstepping their bounds. And yes, insurance companies have been raping us fr a long time. Too many people think insurance money and government money is free money. Duh, where do you think they get the money from? And I'm sure a lot will be lost in this discusion through the keyboard.
I do support the office of the President, as long as I think that person is doing what is in the best interest of this country.
Sorry, I'm babbling.

[scottfab]

Originally Posted by efnfast

Politics are great, can we get into religion next?
I don't mind helping a friend, neighbor, or bro out when they are down and out. I don't like supporting those that will not help themselves or even try to help themselves.
Our government definately has a role, like building our highway system and protecting our freedoms (thank you to those that do). I just think they are way overstepping their bounds. And yes, insurance companies have been raping us fr a long time. Too many people think insurance money and government money is free money. Duh, where do you think they get the money from? And I'm sure a lot will be lost in this discusion through the keyboard.
I do support the office of the President, as long as I think that person is doing what is in the best interest of this country.
Sorry, I'm babbling.

You're on to the solution (or one of them maybe) I like that in your post. You did not just rant wildly some rhetoric form the extreme right. And I totally agree that helping those that won't help themselves is wrong. Problem has been too many suffer by not helping anyone. I'd gladly trade our welfare for healthcare for the poor but that's not how it works. Absolute minimum in this country has to be "some" level of health care for all. Once you get folks off their high horse and admit that then we can start helping people before they go the the emergency room dieing. That removes clutter in the ER and saves $.
Fact is with increased loss of personal privacy (databases on us all) there should be ways to reduce fraud in both welfare and healthcare now. Combine that with having say one or two less wars should help pay for what we need at home.
If you dismiss the KKK type folks and other haters and just look at what this guy has done and has tried to do he makes the Bush legacy look pretty lamb. Looking forward to 4 more years.
OK now religion
I don't care WHAT religion you are or say someone else is. That's one of our freedoms in the country. That goes for the president even if in someone's mind he's Muslim

[SteelBlueZR1]

[efnfast]

Definatly proud to be an American.
Who brought the KKK into the president thing?

[USAFPILOT]

Well since Obama is half white he must be in the KKK, right?

[efnfast]

Originally Posted by SteelBlueZR1

Wow! This is really compelling story (not?!). If a volunteer investigator - Mike Zullo hired by a rogue Sherriff Arpaio, who himself is under investigation by a Federal Grand Jury for abuse of power, tells a local Fox News affiliate their investigation - prompted by the Tea Party - reveals Obama faked his Birth Certificate... It must be true?
Come on people, use your common sense here and understand the source of allegations is too suspect to claim - "Confirmed Obamas Birth Cert is a Fake.". Our Country's greatness will whither away, unless we seek truths vs. opinions based on preconceived notions - garbage in = garbage out.
Everyone I've met thru ZR1 Net seems to be caring, compassionate and tolerant, so why fill our board with politically motivated banter, when we are really here to share our passion for ZR1's?
I no longer read Corvette Forum, as it is full of political rhetoric and hate speech. I prefer to leave politics to political blogs and ZR1's to the ZR1 forum.

Does it matter who reported this? If the court jester catches the king doing something wrong, do you dismiss it simply because it is reported by the court jester.
Is health care a right?