1990 Throttle hesistation - Page 13 - ZR-1 Net Registry Forums

A26B · 12-22-2013

4 bolts are held in place with c-clip retainers:
http://jerrysgaskets.com/store2/root...roducts_id=354

C-Clip Retainers for 4 bolts:
http://jerrysgaskets.com/store2/root...roducts_id=355

2 top bolts:
http://jerrysgaskets.com/store2/root...products_id=96

Simply order from store & we will get it out to you.....

Schrade · 12-23-2013

Alright; goin' off for 2 days here; if 4-5 of you elves wanna' come re-assemble my mill, solve the 'hesitation', and do a little wax, I'll get over it.

Tools are out, door's open, 3/4 of a half gallon of Crown in the fridge (mixer ( or the rocks, if you have taste ) is on you.

AND FIND THAT BOLT WHILE YOU'RE AT IT!!!

And never mind that battleax Hawkeye Potts next door; she'll watch, but not much more...

Have a good Christmas.

Franke · 12-23-2013

Merry Christmas to you Schrade. Unfortunately Santa has restricted this Elf to Colorado this year but maybe the new year will be kinder to ya. Maybe Santa has some extra bolts from his ZR1. I hear its pretty quick to deliver all those toys in one night.

Schrade · 12-29-2013

I found the bolt earlier today. Haven't actually touched it tho' - I have to corkscrew the light/cam about 270' into place to see it, and take screenshots and snappics, and no landmarks either.

USAZR1 · 12-30-2013

Hydrogen Embrittlement isn't a problem with aluminum. Have you considered powdercoating the case with a high gloss powder. I've seen some that are as shiny as chrome.

Tyler Townsley · 12-30-2013

http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb....Z5Z5Z50000050x~~~

Tyler

Franke · 12-30-2013

I've seen rebuilt alt's from parts stores with silver paint on them to pretty them up because the case is stained just like you said. When I went to wipe them down after installation the paint came off.
As far as the coating on the field core - its there for several reasons. Corrosion resistance mainly. I wouldn't clean it off. Tyler's idea above looks like a good solution for a low buck fix.

Franke · 01-01-2014

Schrade,
There should be a little hole in which to insert a toothpick or other small round stick which holds the brushes in place and protrudes out the back of the case. That way you can pull the pick out when the case is assembled together and allow the brushes to contact the armature. Put the toothpick through the hole in the brushes case as well as the alt case. Don't need fishing line. Try it I think you'll like it.

Also, be careful using rubber as an alt terminal insulator as the original one is made from Bakelite or fiberglass and doesn't compress like rubber to maintain clearance to the case.

Schrade · 01-01-2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franke

Schrade,
There should be a little hole in which to insert a toothpick or other small round stick which holds the brushes in place and protrudes out the back of the case. That way you can pull the pick out when the case is assembled together and allow the brushes to contact the armature. Put the toothpick through the hole in the brushes case as well as the alt case. Don't need fishing line. Try it I think you'll like it.

Also, be careful using rubber as an alt terminal insulator as the original one is made from Bakelite or fiberglass and doesn't compress like rubber to maintain clearance to the case.

Rubber squeeze WAS a concern there Franke, but it's tight enough in the opening so the shank is ok. The bolt head with half a grommet is tentative; probably go with a whole one instead there...

Just saw the opening in the case rear for the tool Jxxxx

, for the brush retension @ assembly. Wondered about that as I went...

Paul Workman · 01-02-2014

Due to the high rpm achieved by the alternator, I'm sure you can appreciate the need for extremely tight balance specs for the rotating hardware; and that includes the impeller (fan). My point is, I don't recommend painting the impeller as doing so may result in upsetting the center of gravity to (at the very least) cause premature bearing wear.

But, if you DO paint the impeller, care must be taken to assure the paint is applied (or plating, if that be the case) absolutely even. One way to do that is to spin the impeller as the paint is sprayed on, OR dipping. (It appears the paint on the impeller is laid on perhaps a bit thick(?), and probably done with the impeller in a stationary state while hand sprayed, yes?

)

Maybe you're OK, but I hope you haven't created a future problem...Just sayin.

FWIW,

P.

12-22-2013	#121
A26B Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Arcadia,OK Posts: 3,394	Re: 1990 Throttle hesistation 4 bolts are held in place with c-clip retainers: http://jerrysgaskets.com/store2/root...roducts_id=354 C-Clip Retainers for 4 bolts: http://jerrysgaskets.com/store2/root...roducts_id=355 2 top bolts: http://jerrysgaskets.com/store2/root...products_id=96 Simply order from store & we will get it out to you..... __________________ Jerry Downey JERRYS LT5 GASKETS & PARTS http://www.jerrysgaskets.com 1994 *ZR-1*, Black/Black, Lingenfelter Aerobody, 416cu in, 3.91 gears, coil-over susp, Brembo brakes, etc. 2016 Black-Red, 3LT-Z51 Auto 8-speed.

12-23-2013	#122
Schrade Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: NC Posts: 1,786	Re: 1990 Throttle hesistation Alright; goin' off for 2 days here; if 4-5 of you elves wanna' come re-assemble my mill, solve the 'hesitation', and do a little wax, I'll get over it. Tools are out, door's open, 3/4 of a half gallon of Crown in the fridge (mixer ( or the rocks, if you have taste ) is on you. AND FIND THAT BOLT WHILE YOU'RE AT IT!!! And never mind that battleax Hawkeye Potts next door; she'll watch, but not much more... Have a good Christmas. __________________ I'm getting my snappics / threads removed blindly as fast as I can, to get in compliance with copyright / license TOS on the boards here (lots of FSM pages and other copyright / license violations on my part; sorry guys). And thanks to all the guys who didn't whine when I posted those FSM copyrighted / licensed stuff in my threads... ( :thumbsup: [b]and to think I complied with a mod's request to delete a pic of him in a Challenge Car in NCM Museum, so he wouldn't get in hot water)[/b] Thanks to several guys here for sending parts FREE; BearlyFlying, WeGone, Geezer, GoldCylon, and more there, TonyD, mike100, fletchusmc... 1990 #2794; 4L60e Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless, Power Effects 3" [IMG]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-GHpfzty7DVU/UQn-0Ru2xAI/AAAAAAAAA14/08mz1p4QLD4/s445/Screenshot-5.png[/IMG] Last edited by Schrade; 12-23-2013 at 04:40 PM.

12-23-2013	#123
Franke Join Date: May 2013 Location: Beaver, PA Posts: 516	Re: 1990 Throttle hesistation Merry Christmas to you Schrade. Unfortunately Santa has restricted this Elf to Colorado this year but maybe the new year will be kinder to ya. Maybe Santa has some extra bolts from his ZR1. I hear its pretty quick to deliver all those toys in one night.

12-29-2013	#124
Schrade Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: NC Posts: 1,786	Re: 1990 Throttle hesistation I found the bolt earlier today. Haven't actually touched it tho' - I have to corkscrew the light/cam about 270' into place to see it, and take screenshots and snappics, and no landmarks either. __________________ I'm getting my snappics / threads removed blindly as fast as I can, to get in compliance with copyright / license TOS on the boards here (lots of FSM pages and other copyright / license violations on my part; sorry guys). And thanks to all the guys who didn't whine when I posted those FSM copyrighted / licensed stuff in my threads... ( :thumbsup: [b]and to think I complied with a mod's request to delete a pic of him in a Challenge Car in NCM Museum, so he wouldn't get in hot water)[/b] Thanks to several guys here for sending parts FREE; BearlyFlying, WeGone, Geezer, GoldCylon, and more there, TonyD, mike100, fletchusmc... 1990 #2794; 4L60e Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless, Power Effects 3" [IMG]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-GHpfzty7DVU/UQn-0Ru2xAI/AAAAAAAAA14/08mz1p4QLD4/s445/Screenshot-5.png[/IMG]

12-30-2013	#125
USAZR1 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wichita Falls,Tx Posts: 604	Re: 1990 Throttle hesistation Hydrogen Embrittlement isn't a problem with aluminum. Have you considered powdercoating the case with a high gloss powder. I've seen some that are as shiny as chrome. __________________ Clint & Sherry 1994 ZR-1 White/Red #152 (sold) 1991 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody #1332 (sold) 1990 ZR-1 Red/Red #952 (sold) 2002 Z06 Torch Red/Mod Red widebody

12-30-2013	#126
Tyler Townsley Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nichols, FL Posts: 615	Re: 1990 Throttle hesistation http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb....Z5Z5Z50000050x~~~ Tyler __________________ 55 Polo White (Project) 61 Jewel Blue (Sold to buy above) 66 Nassau Blue 68 Torch Red 88 ZR1 Blue 90 ZR1 White

12-30-2013	#127
Franke Join Date: May 2013 Location: Beaver, PA Posts: 516	Re: 1990 Throttle hesistation I've seen rebuilt alt's from parts stores with silver paint on them to pretty them up because the case is stained just like you said. When I went to wipe them down after installation the paint came off. As far as the coating on the field core - its there for several reasons. Corrosion resistance mainly. I wouldn't clean it off. Tyler's idea above looks like a good solution for a low buck fix.

01-01-2014	#128
Franke Join Date: May 2013 Location: Beaver, PA Posts: 516	Re: 1990 Throttle hesistation Schrade, There should be a little hole in which to insert a toothpick or other small round stick which holds the brushes in place and protrudes out the back of the case. That way you can pull the pick out when the case is assembled together and allow the brushes to contact the armature. Put the toothpick through the hole in the brushes case as well as the alt case. Don't need fishing line. Try it I think you'll like it. Also, be careful using rubber as an alt terminal insulator as the original one is made from Bakelite or fiberglass and doesn't compress like rubber to maintain clearance to the case. Last edited by Franke; 01-01-2014 at 09:26 PM.

01-02-2014	#130
Paul Workman Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Squires (near Ava MO in the Mark Twain N'tl Forest) - Missouri Posts: 6,493	Re: 1990 Throttle hesistation Due to the high rpm achieved by the alternator, I'm sure you can appreciate the need for extremely tight balance specs for the rotating hardware; and that includes the impeller (fan). My point is, I don't recommend painting the impeller as doing so may result in upsetting the center of gravity to (at the very least) cause premature bearing wear. But, if you DO paint the impeller, care must be taken to assure the paint is applied (or plating, if that be the case) absolutely even. One way to do that is to spin the impeller as the paint is sprayed on, OR dipping. (It appears the paint on the impeller is laid on perhaps a bit thick(?), and probably done with the impeller in a stationary state while hand sprayed, yes?) Maybe you're OK, but I hope you haven't created a future problem...Just sayin. FWIW, P. __________________ Good carz, good food, good friendz = the best of timez! 90 #1202 "FBI" top end ported & relieved Cam timing by "Pete the Greek" Sans secondaries Chip & dyno tuning by Haibeck Automotive SW headers, X-pipe, MF muffs Former Secretary, ZR-1 Net Registry