parting out 90 with 179 miles - Page 10 - ZR-1 Net Registry Forums

12-24-2009

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Originally Posted by ZR THIS

I agree. He's from Washington and it's December. If you look at the first post, first pic - you can see the snow outside his driveway. The parted-out pic shows it in the Summer time.

Picture was taken last winter when we were hit hard with snow. Kevin pulled the car out after the regional NCRS guys were being asses and he decided to sell it.

WB9MCW · 12-24-2009

good joke

Z51JEFF · 12-24-2009

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Originally Posted by Jeffvette

Picture was taken last winter when we were hit hard with snow. Kevin pulled the car out after the regional NCRS guys were being asses and he decided to sell it.

As far as Im concerned the NCRS can kiss my ***,Id never pay this group one dime for anything.

Polo-1 · 12-25-2009

Yes, The NCRS guy's put a sour taste in my mouth.
I will try one more time this spring. I bought this car to try out the NCRS stuff. I have a 99.9% car. The original battery is gone, that's it. Unless the car really does sell.
The winter pictures are at a friends in Spokane, he has heated shop in back of the house were the car stays for winter months.
The Summer pictures are from last years 91 Red/Red part-out party. Which help for good pictures for this story

bb62 · 12-25-2009

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Originally Posted by Polo-1

Yes, The NCRS guy's put a sour taste in my mouth.
I will try one more time this spring. I bought this car to try out the NCRS stuff. I have a 99.9% car. The original battery is gone, that's it. Unless the car really does sell.
The winter pictures are at a friends in Spokane, he has heated shop in back of the house were the car stays for winter months.
The Summer pictures are from last years 91 Red/Red part-out party. Which help for good pictures for this story

Polo-1,

Quite frankly, there is nothing wrong with the NCRS as an organization. Sure there are idiots there as there are in virtually every organization, but I would not blame the NCRS. Heck, I'm one of them there NCRS types.

If you run into an issue entering your car into the meet, please contact me and I will make sure that the national judging chairman is aware of your situation. There is NO excuse for your not being able to have your car judged, especially at the chapter level (although note that the "real" judging begins at the regional level because that's where you will get the best national judges). Just make sure you are an NCRS member and you get your application in on time. Some chapters may just have a limitation on the number of cars to be judged given the time constraints to complete the meet (this is what you may have encountered). If you have the details of why you believe you were excluded in the prior meet, please send me the details and perhaps I can find out what happened.

12-25-2009

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Originally Posted by bb62

Polo-1,

Quite frankly, there is nothing wrong with the NCRS as an organization. Sure there are idiots there as there are in virtually every organization, but I would not blame the NCRS. Heck, I'm one of them there NCRS types.

If you run into an issue entering your car into the meet, please contact me and I will make sure that the national judging chairman is aware of your situation. There is NO excuse for your not being able to have your car judged, especially at the chapter level (although note that the "real" judging begins at the regional level because that's where you will get the best national judges). Just make sure you are an NCRS member and you get your application in on time. Some chapters may just have a limitation on the number of cars to be judged given the time constraints to complete the meet (this is what you may have encountered). If you have the details of why you believe you were excluded in the prior meet, please send me the details and perhaps I can find out what happened.

BB62, the NW Chapter is full of tools. I have been to several of their functions and have always basically felt like I was shunned as soon as they found out I was C4 and newer oriented. Several of the good guys that were in the regional have left. Which is sad.

One of the biggest issues with Kevin was the lack of answers from the organizers on what he actually needed to do. He approached and asked the questions on what was needed, and they gave him the run around. He was not doing this a week before the show, but months!

I have had my issues as well, I ordered one of the first copies of the 90-91 C4 manual, and started going through it. The book was riddled with errors. I approached a friend who was deep into NCRS and he passed the word along. There was no response.

4DSZR1 · 12-25-2009

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Originally Posted by bb62

Polo-1,

Quite frankly, there is nothing wrong with the NCRS as an organization. Sure there are idiots there as there are in virtually every organization, but I would not blame the NCRS. Heck, I'm one of them there NCRS types.

If you run into an issue entering your car into the meet, please contact me and I will make sure that the national judging chairman is aware of your situation. There is NO excuse for your not being able to have your car judged, especially at the chapter level (although note that the "real" judging begins at the regional level because that's where you will get the best national judges). Just make sure you are an NCRS member and you get your application in on time. Some chapters may just have a limitation on the number of cars to be judged given the time constraints to complete the meet (this is what you may have encountered). If you have the details of why you believe you were excluded in the prior meet, please send me the details and perhaps I can find out what happened.

Being this topic is on the table, let me voice experience I had with NCRS. In 2008 I was Barret-Jackson in Scottsdale and walked up to the NCRS vendor booth. They had three or four people (3 men and a woman as I rember) in the booth and struck up a conversation with one of the men. I told him what I had. I know its not a 1963 restored split-window but from that point on I was made to feel like my car or myself are not that improtant to their organization and that they felt like it was a neccessary evil to have to address the C4.

I know I'm not the most dynamic personality in the room, but I'm a potential paying customer to them and deserved some respect and at least, common business courtesy. If it was my company I would have fired the guy on the spot. As we walked away the guy I was with said, jeezuz I cant believe they are still in business with that attitude. I'm sure there are good ones in the group, but if you and I were putting together a vendor booth, wouldn't we put together our A team for manning it? Yes we would, so if this is the best they have, then it will be a cold day in hell when they get any of my money.

Merry Christmas Everyone

bb62 · 12-25-2009

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Originally Posted by Jeffvette

BB62, the NW Chapter is full of tools. I have been to several of their functions and have always basically felt like I was shunned as soon as they found out I was C4 and newer oriented. Several of the good guys that were in the regional have left. Which is sad.

One of the biggest issues with Kevin was the lack of answers from the organizers on what he actually needed to do. He approached and asked the questions on what was needed, and they gave him the run around. He was not doing this a week before the show, but months!

I have had my issues as well, I ordered one of the first copies of the 90-91 C4 manual, and started going through it. The book was riddled with errors. I approached a friend who was deep into NCRS and he passed the word along. There was no response.

Jeff,

I hear you on the attitude some have to C4 and later Corvettes. For what it's worth, when the NCRS first included C2s there were members who strenuously objected.

I would still like to know the particulars of why Kevin had a problem. I will personally bring this up with the NCRS to make sure this doesn't happen again. I hate that type of attitude and it must stop.

As to the manual, keep in mind that they still have problems with the 63/4 manual. And the 56/7 cars still aren't adequately worked out. But remember that this is just a volunteer organization so the people who put together are just putting in personal time. If you have issues with the 90-91 manual, I would find out specifically who's writing the manual and contact them directly.

xlr8nflorida · 12-25-2009

Honestly, You can meet jerks anywhere. The NCRS shouldn't act that way but I know of one judge on CF that is a NCRS judge who constantly bashes C4's. That being said, I met 2 national judges a few months ago that were awesome. At the same time however, 1 of them had a Comp Yellow 90 Convertible and the other had a red 90 ZR-1 with about 16,000 miles. He also had a 57 and 4 other corvettes.

There is no reason for the attitude but I think I can understand where some of them are coming from. The NCRS is about originality and typically its older Corvettes. While getting a top flight award for a ZR-1 would be nice, it doesn't interest me at this point in time. Our cars are only 20 years old. Granted its not that easy but at 20 years its not that hard either. When a car has 179 miles what do you expect? Of course it will do well with NCRS.

Historically, NCRS certificates increase the value of a car but on a car that is 20 years old, I don't think it will make hardly any difference at this point in time in sales price. (to me anyway) Down the road it will.

NCRS would not interest me until about the 30 or 40th year mark. At that point, I guarantee NCRS guys won't snub their nose.

NCRS impresses me when someone has a thrashed corvette or a corvette that is far from original and then brings it back. If it is just a low mileage car that has had a few owners then the task is much easier.

When I think of old historic Corvettes, I think of NCRS. When I think of ZR-1, I don't think historic at 20 years or even 15 years if its a 95.

A nice Corvette is a nice Corvette regardless of what the NCRS says. The reason people pay more for NCRS documentation is because its authentic and there is less chance they will get ripped off. For some, its simply a hobby and for others, they do it to get more $$ for their historic corvette when they sell it. If i was to buy a C1 or C2, I would buy a NCRS one because quite frankly while I'm very good at knowing all the years/ options etc, I wouldn't be able to spot a fake from a legitimate big block car. I was born in the 70's and that generation of Corvettes was before my time so I'm not able to check them out as quickly as say a C4 which is the generation I grew up with.

Maybe I'm odd and illogical

jrd1990zr1 · 12-25-2009

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Originally Posted by 4DSZR1

Being this topic is on the table, let me voice experience I had with NCRS. In 2008 I was Barret-Jackson in Scottsdale and walked up to the NCRS vendor booth. They had three or four people (3 men and a woman as I rember) in the booth and struck up a conversation with one of the men. I told him what I had. I know its not a 1963 restored split-window but from that point on I was made to feel like my car or myself are not that improtant to their organization and that they felt like it was a neccessary evil to have to address the C4.

I know I'm not the most dynamic personality in the room, but I'm a potential paying customer to them and deserved some respect and at least, common business courtesy. If it was my company I would have fired the guy on the spot. As we walked away the guy I was with said, jeezuz I cant believe they are still in business with that attitude. I'm sure there are good ones in the group, but if you and I were putting together a vendor booth, wouldn't we put together our A team for manning it? Yes we would, so if this is the best they have, then it will be a cold day in hell when they get any of my money.

Merry Christmas Everyone

Jeffvette and Polo1,

I too would like to know of the problems you have had in getting you car judged on the west coast. I am a member of the NCRS, a chapter chairman and a master judge. Please PM me the details and I will see if I can help.

I own 2 1990 z's and an 1986 coupe. My one 1990 Z was judged first at a regional and then at a national NCRS event. I would be happy to provide you some advice. My 1986 has also been judged at a chapter level event. There is a definate bias and favoritism in the NCRS towards the C-1 through C-3 MYs. The sad thing about NCRS membership is it is static. What I mean is owners of C-3s and C-4s join and with the bias toward the older cars the new car owners tend to drop out. Maybe theNCRS will wake up as time goes on.

Like I said I would like to hear of the difficulties you have encountered getting a ZR1 judged. If you were on the east coast I would make sure you get a spot at out judging meet this coming Fall. Any other NCRS/ZR1 registry members in the Northeast interested in having their Z judged feel free to PM me. I'll be happy to provide any advice I can.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.

12-24-2009	#92
WB9MCW Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: McHenry, Il. Posts: 6,584	Re: parting out 90 with 179 miles good joke

12-25-2009	#94
Polo-1 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 956	Re: parting out 90 with 179 miles Yes, The NCRS guy's put a sour taste in my mouth. I will try one more time this spring. I bought this car to try out the NCRS stuff. I have a 99.9% car. The original battery is gone, that's it. Unless the car really does sell. The winter pictures are at a friends in Spokane, he has heated shop in back of the house were the car stays for winter months. The Summer pictures are from last years 91 Red/Red part-out party. Which help for good pictures for this story Last edited by Polo-1; 12-25-2009 at 03:12 AM.

12-25-2009	#99
xlr8nflorida Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,093	Re: parting out 90 with 179 miles Honestly, You can meet jerks anywhere. The NCRS shouldn't act that way but I know of one judge on CF that is a NCRS judge who constantly bashes C4's. That being said, I met 2 national judges a few months ago that were awesome. At the same time however, 1 of them had a Comp Yellow 90 Convertible and the other had a red 90 ZR-1 with about 16,000 miles. He also had a 57 and 4 other corvettes. There is no reason for the attitude but I think I can understand where some of them are coming from. The NCRS is about originality and typically its older Corvettes. While getting a top flight award for a ZR-1 would be nice, it doesn't interest me at this point in time. Our cars are only 20 years old. Granted its not that easy but at 20 years its not that hard either. When a car has 179 miles what do you expect? Of course it will do well with NCRS. Historically, NCRS certificates increase the value of a car but on a car that is 20 years old, I don't think it will make hardly any difference at this point in time in sales price. (to me anyway) Down the road it will. NCRS would not interest me until about the 30 or 40th year mark. At that point, I guarantee NCRS guys won't snub their nose. NCRS impresses me when someone has a thrashed corvette or a corvette that is far from original and then brings it back. If it is just a low mileage car that has had a few owners then the task is much easier. When I think of old historic Corvettes, I think of NCRS. When I think of ZR-1, I don't think historic at 20 years or even 15 years if its a 95. A nice Corvette is a nice Corvette regardless of what the NCRS says. The reason people pay more for NCRS documentation is because its authentic and there is less chance they will get ripped off. For some, its simply a hobby and for others, they do it to get more $$ for their historic corvette when they sell it. If i was to buy a C1 or C2, I would buy a NCRS one because quite frankly while I'm very good at knowing all the years/ options etc, I wouldn't be able to spot a fake from a legitimate big block car. I was born in the 70's and that generation of Corvettes was before my time so I'm not able to check them out as quickly as say a C4 which is the generation I grew up with. Maybe I'm odd and illogical Last edited by xlr8nflorida; 12-25-2009 at 05:09 PM.