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Old 10-29-2009   #1
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Default Another 1991 Fails CA emissions... Help!

I've read all the posts about failing emissions, but haven't come across my particular problem (close, but not quite).

I've had the car since it was about 4 years old / 4,000 miles and have since added Borla exhaust and an X-pipe. The car is otherwise unmodified and completely stock. It has always passed smog with flying colors in the past and the last test was only about 8-10k miles ago.

Since the last test: I added the X-pipe and changed the alternator (by removing the throttle body, not the plenum). I just changed the oil to Mobil 1 High mileage about 400 miles ago to protect the cams. The car has 39,800 miles.

I had to go to a test only station since the state has selected me as a "high emitter profile" and here in Sacramento we have to do emissions testing under load on a dyno at 15 and 25 mph.

I filled the tank with 91 octane (I always run super) and drove it on the freeway prior to the test to warm it up and blow out the carbon. The coolant temp was around 220 and the car was audibly pinging during the test.

The failure is in NOx emissions at 15 mph (and nearly failed at 25 mph). All other measurements were passing and quite low.

15 mph / 1298 rpm
CO2: 14.7 (no limit)
O2: 0.2 (no limit)
HC: 14 (limit 112)
CO: 0.01 (limit 0.72)
NO: 1135 (limit 778) ***

25 mph / 2106 rpm
CO2: 14.7 (no limit)
O2: 0.2 (no limit)
HC: 13 (limit 86)
CO: 0.01 (limit 0.60)
NO: 527 (limit 717)

What has failed? The tech suggested maybe carbon deposits (but I blow it out quite frequently and did just prior to the test) and the coolant temperature being high.

Man I hate California! I already can't drive my '78 Trans Am with 48k due to failing as a gross polluter an now this @#$%#$%. Wish I could just bribe someone...
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Old 10-29-2009   #2
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Wish I could just bribe someone...
Shhhhh! Don't tell anybody you heard it from me but You can bribe somebody. Just be ready with a 24 pack of bear on a friday night an hour before they quit for the night.
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Old 10-29-2009   #3
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Shhhhh! Don't tell anybody you heard it from me but You can bribe somebody. Just be ready with a 24 pack of bear on a friday night an hour before they quit for the night.
Unfortunately, this ridiculous state sends out undercover investigators (including little old ladies) to try to get smog techs (and fine them heavily and revoke their licenses). If you don't know them personally, they pretty much jump at every shadow. It's far easier to buy said 24 pack of beer if you're under age.
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Old 10-29-2009   #4
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Possibility of running lean with hot spots in the combustion process.
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Since a '91 doesn't have an EGR system, my next guess would be fouled Cats.
Bummer.
Be prepared to spend some time at the referee station.

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Old 10-29-2009   #6
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Sorry to hear this.
Cant a special propose chip be burned for this?
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Old 10-30-2009   #7
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if you need OEM Manifolds an cats assuming you determine yours are bad I have mine off my 90 I would sell cheap
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Possibility of running lean with hot spots in the combustion process.
I had some luck with colder iridium plugs. Any rate if the plugs have more than 5-7000 miles I would change them.
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The audible pinging is a clue - it's running lean with advanced timing. Maybe a failing injector or knock sensor. What gear do they run the 15 and 25 mph in?

Also, has CA lowered the NOx limit recently?
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Since a '91 doesn't have an EGR system, my next guess would be fouled Cats.
Bummer.
Be prepared to spend some time at the referee station.

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I have no real reason to believe fouled cats, since that would cause the HC and CO to go up dramatically as well.
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