94 Zr1 power key makes car act funny - ZR-1 Net Registry Forums

94Zr1TX · 07-08-2015

Hey guys. I have a 94 zr1 that is acting funny with the power key on. I've read a lot on the secondaries and what not but haven't seen much on what this car specifically is doing. It runs as it should in normal mode but with the power key on it acts like it's missing half the cylinders. There is quite a bit of vibration coming from the engine bay. If I drive it easily with the power key on it "seems" ok but when I step into the gas it starts driving pretty rough. This only happens with the power key on. Does this sound like something y'all have seen? I really want this fixed asap so I can enjoy the car again as y'all know a zr1 is not the same in normal mode, lol. The car is all stock, no mods. Thanks in advance guys.

Zach

Kevin · 07-08-2015

there's a few things i'm thinking, bad injectors, bad secondary pump, vac leak. I know it's a bit of a drive but if possible i'd get the car down to cory henderson in new braunfuls and have him look it over.

Welcome to the board

94Zr1TX · 07-08-2015

I appreciate the welcome. My dad had a 91Z about 20 years ago but was scared to drive it for fear of someone messing with it. I just want to drive and enjoy mine.

I have been reading up on the secondary system trying to get more familiar with how it all works. I guess what is throwing my for a loop is why does the car feel like it drops half the cylinders? My initial thought was secondaries not opening but injectors throwing in too much fuel and choking the car, or secondaries opening and injectors not firing causing the car to have too much air and not enough fuel. I'm not sure if I'm even in the ballpark here though just an initial guess.

I have checked the secondary vacuum pump and it does work. I disconnected the vacuum line to see if it was working as the write-up said to do and it does run continuously. Now I do plan on buying a hand vacuum pump to check for leaks as well but I also wanted to get this out there to see if anyone had ideas I had not thought of.

Bad injectors, secondaries not functioning right...will that make the car run ultra rough too? I had not read anyone specifically say their car did this with bad injectors or bad secondaries, it seems like the only real complaint I've found was low power. Now the car definitely makes less power than with the key off but also runs rough like I said.

Thanks Kevin for the quick reply. Just looking for some direction here. Any Corey is about 4 hours or so away from me so if I can't get it whipped I'll have to take it to him...if I can get it to run right I'd like to have him put a set of SW headers on it and tune it but first things first.

Kevin · 07-08-2015

When you say it's "running rough"? what do you mean? when I had bad injectors it felt like driving your washing machine around the kitchen. Vac leak, especially in higher gears makes the car just feel like it's fallen on its face. get on it and it just bogs.

tccrab · 07-08-2015

If secondary fuel pump operational then next items to check would be secondary butterlys operational, and then fuel injectors.
My bet would be secondary butterflys staying shut on one side causing a too rich mixture misfire.

'Crabs

94Zr1TX · 07-08-2015

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Originally Posted by Kevin

When you say it's "running rough"? what do you mean? when I had bad injectors it felt like driving your washing machine around the kitchen. Vac leak, especially in higher gears makes the car just feel like it's fallen on its face. get on it and it just bogs.

When I say rough basically I just mean that it feels like not all the cylinders are firing. If you take a car and pull a few plug wires and go drive it...that's what it feels like. Does not bog down it just feels like I lose a few or more cylinders.

A26B · 07-08-2015

May be that one of your secondary actuators has failed.

94Zr1TX · 07-08-2015

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Originally Posted by tccrab

If secondary fuel pump operational then next items to check would be secondary butterlys operational, and then fuel injectors.
My bet would be secondary butterflys staying shut on one side causing a too rich mixture misfire.

'Crabs

Could you steer me in the direction to check the secondary fuel pump? What would cause one side not opening? Bad secondary actuator? I did read that failed injectors on the 93-95 Z's is pretty rare but I suppose it's possible.

You guys have no idea how much I appreciate the replies so quickly. Thanks a bunch.

94Zr1TX · 07-08-2015

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Originally Posted by A26B

May be that one of your secondary actuators has failed.

Jerry, Is there a way to specifically check an actuator? I will no doubt be needing to order some gaskets from you though as I'm sure the plenum is going to need to come off. First though I need to get a better idea of what exactly is going wrong.

94Zr1TX · 07-08-2015

Just read that the hand vacuum pump is used to test the actuator functionality so I will buy one tomorrow and start setting up to pull the plenum since it seems like that's the next step. Is there anything special I should know about before the plenum comes off? Aside from needing new plenum gaskets? Thanks guys.

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94Zr1TX Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11	94 Zr1 power key makes car act funny Hey guys. I have a 94 zr1 that is acting funny with the power key on. I've read a lot on the secondaries and what not but haven't seen much on what this car specifically is doing. It runs as it should in normal mode but with the power key on it acts like it's missing half the cylinders. There is quite a bit of vibration coming from the engine bay. If I drive it easily with the power key on it "seems" ok but when I step into the gas it starts driving pretty rough. This only happens with the power key on. Does this sound like something y'all have seen? I really want this fixed asap so I can enjoy the car again as y'all know a zr1 is not the same in normal mode, lol. The car is all stock, no mods. Thanks in advance guys. Zach

07-08-2015	#2
Kevin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: pittsburgh Posts: 4,632	Re: 94 Zr1 power key makes car act funny there's a few things i'm thinking, bad injectors, bad secondary pump, vac leak. I know it's a bit of a drive but if possible i'd get the car down to cory henderson in new braunfuls and have him look it over. Welcome to the board __________________ It's not the car, it's the people - Doug Johnson 90 r/r "KEYS ON" nick named "T.L.B"

07-08-2015	#3
94Zr1TX Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11	Re: 94 Zr1 power key makes car act funny I appreciate the welcome. My dad had a 91Z about 20 years ago but was scared to drive it for fear of someone messing with it. I just want to drive and enjoy mine. I have been reading up on the secondary system trying to get more familiar with how it all works. I guess what is throwing my for a loop is why does the car feel like it drops half the cylinders? My initial thought was secondaries not opening but injectors throwing in too much fuel and choking the car, or secondaries opening and injectors not firing causing the car to have too much air and not enough fuel. I'm not sure if I'm even in the ballpark here though just an initial guess. I have checked the secondary vacuum pump and it does work. I disconnected the vacuum line to see if it was working as the write-up said to do and it does run continuously. Now I do plan on buying a hand vacuum pump to check for leaks as well but I also wanted to get this out there to see if anyone had ideas I had not thought of. Bad injectors, secondaries not functioning right...will that make the car run ultra rough too? I had not read anyone specifically say their car did this with bad injectors or bad secondaries, it seems like the only real complaint I've found was low power. Now the car definitely makes less power than with the key off but also runs rough like I said. Thanks Kevin for the quick reply. Just looking for some direction here. Any Corey is about 4 hours or so away from me so if I can't get it whipped I'll have to take it to him...if I can get it to run right I'd like to have him put a set of SW headers on it and tune it but first things first.

07-08-2015	#4
Kevin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: pittsburgh Posts: 4,632	Re: 94 Zr1 power key makes car act funny When you say it's "running rough"? what do you mean? when I had bad injectors it felt like driving your washing machine around the kitchen. Vac leak, especially in higher gears makes the car just feel like it's fallen on its face. get on it and it just bogs. __________________ It's not the car, it's the people - Doug Johnson 90 r/r "KEYS ON" nick named "T.L.B"

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tccrab Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Folsom CA Posts: 1,654	Re: 94 Zr1 power key makes car act funny If secondary fuel pump operational then next items to check would be secondary butterlys operational, and then fuel injectors. My bet would be secondary butterflys staying shut on one side causing a too rich mixture misfire. 'Crabs __________________ TomC '90ZR1 #792 Honorary Pirate [B]If it ain't FUN, you're doing something terribly WRONG. [/B]

07-08-2015	#7
A26B Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Arcadia,OK Posts: 3,394	Re: 94 Zr1 power key makes car act funny May be that one of your secondary actuators has failed. __________________ Jerry Downey JERRYS LT5 GASKETS & PARTS http://www.jerrysgaskets.com 1994 *ZR-1*, Black/Black, Lingenfelter Aerobody, 416cu in, 3.91 gears, coil-over susp, Brembo brakes, etc. 2016 Black-Red, 3LT-Z51 Auto 8-speed.