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Old 08-18-2013   #31
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Default Re: Injector Housing to Head Port Match Issue

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** I will also try to stay away from using any "grit" based bits. I am afraid bits of grit may make it into the the cylinder. I plan on plugging the ports but you know how that goes. If a couple of small flecks of aluminum get in there probably wont damage anything but small bits of carbide grit?....

My existing port job is fairly smooth but could use a bit more polishing, maybe with ultra fine 500-600 grit wet sand paper? How smooth does a port job need to be?
Couple things:

No worries about grit, if you pack the bores tight with (I used) WD40 sprayed paper (shop) towels (the thick, heavy blue ones). Paranoid, I packed each runner twice; one primary plug, and one secondary. When finished, I used a vacuum cleaner with a tube small enough to reach into the ports and pick up the bulk of the loose debris and grit. Then with a super-long set of hemostats, the packing can be retrieved, while vacuuming again before removing the second plug. Then I used fresh towels, sprayed lightly with WD40 and wiped the bore surfaces; changing towels until they came out clean. No grit! No worries!

Like an surgical theater, the entire top of the engine bay is covered with a (I used a shower curtain), and everything but the port being modified is masked off...



Port "matching" in LT5 heads - in progress (note plug)



Surface left by carbide bit before sanding



Note finish imparted by the 60-grit flapwheel...



Far as "grit based" bits go, grinding bits load up almost instantly when cutting aluminum. So the cutting is via carbide bits. However, to remove blemishes and nicks left by the burr (and you will have some!), as Lee pointed out, a 60 grit flapwheel (seen in my photos in previous post on this thread) is ideal for cleaning those up and imparting the right amount of surface roughness to avoid boundary layer encumbrances.

But, back to port matching:

Just my 2-cents, but Flyin Ryan suggested to me that when it comes to changing the diameter of a runner, to prevent pulse reversion it is best to not exceed (if I recall him correctly) 4% change in diameter for a given linear distance (along the axis). (Other sources vary - one I read said 7%.)

I went with 4% - less is better, in some cases - which resulted in a long taper extending from the input and narrowing to just above the valve guide.

WOW! I wish like hell I had dyno'ed it at that point, cuz the seat of the pants improvement I got from top end porting alone was way beyond what I expected! There was a big improvement when I ported the heads as well, but not as much a change as I got from the top end phase - ending up at 432 rwhp, w/ stock cams, stock TB, and SW headers + X-pipe. (Someone tell me again how the stock LT5 isn't starving for air!)

Prolly more than you wanted to know, but mebby somebody will be intrigued enough to consider joining the majority of the FBI gang and port their babies too! BE A WARRIOR!

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Old 08-18-2013   #32
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^^^ The only thing I would add to Paul's post is that I port matched my primaries pretty much similarly, but I rotated the engine 90 degrees 8 times and did each port separately. This ensured that the intakes were closed on TDC just in case a chip or two got left in the port after removal of the wd-40 soaked rags. The worry wasn't a couple of bits touching the piston and blowing through, but more to keep the seats free of debris.



The shower curtain is a good idea. A lot of time was spent on clean-up the way I did it. It was not difficult, just tedious. I was finished in about 5 hours.
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Old 08-18-2013   #33
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^^^ The only thing I would add to Paul's post is that I port matched my primaries pretty much similarly...**
Yes, both primary and secondary runners received the long taper to the valve guide on the initial top-end porting; starting at 36mm a the top and tapering to stock diameter at the valve guide...I meant to say.
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Old 08-18-2013   #34
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I saw your pic and you were working on the secondary (hmmm)... anyways, mine are still intact. Also my port job was more modest at 35-ish mm on the bottom of the I/H with just enough port matching to blend the core shift and 2 mm of size change.

I did remove my injector housings for an unrelated leak repair and took the opportunity to take a little more out of them a few months afterwords, but I feel like any more improvement would come from getting back to the plenum for a little more work there. Since I'm finally running headers, I've seen the light on top end power.
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Old 08-21-2013   #35
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I saw your pic and you were working on the secondary (hmmm)... anyways, mine are still intact. Also my port job was more modest at 35-ish mm on the bottom of the I/H with just enough port matching to blend the core shift and 2 mm of size change.

I did remove my injector housings for an unrelated leak repair and took the opportunity to take a little more out of them a few months afterwords, but I feel like any more improvement would come from getting back to the plenum for a little more work there. Since I'm finally running headers, I've seen the light on top end power.
So as not to confuse, when I made the decision to port the top end, I had also opted to delete the secondaries too, in the name of improved air flow (because the highest velocity in the column of air is in the center...right where that throttle plate and shaft resides...) The stock transition just below the secondary plate is quite abrupt; i.e., not in keeping with my goal of 4% taper, so the runner below the secondary plate got some attention as well.

Anyway... That's what the pix were showing: both primary and secondary ports getting "the business"...And, no steeeeking secondaries!!!

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"FBI" top end ported & relieved
Cam timing by "Pete the Greek"
Sans secondaries
Chip & dyno tuning by Haibeck Automotive
SW headers, X-pipe, MF muffs

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Old 09-09-2013   #36
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Thanks for all the great feed back. I am looking forward to getting everything done within the next few weeks.
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Old 09-30-2013   #37
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Update: Finally got injector housings off and discovered why I had an oil leak, it appears a steel gasket was used...see pictures. Not sure why? I also discovered that the IH secondary ports have been opened up to just shy of 38mm. The steel gaskets are also 38mm but the head was not matched to the gasket or IH. Question: why was a steel gasket used and should I proceed with opening up the primary port on the heads to 38mm to match the IH? I will have to trim some material off the new gasket as well.
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