Frame VIN stampings - ZR-1 Net Registry Forums

Daniel_Mc · 05-23-2011

How many locations are the VIN's stamped in the frame, or any identifying numbers? Also what locations?

Thanks in advance,

Daniel

Blue Flame Restorations · 05-23-2011

Daniel, there is one on the outside frame rail, just ahead of the battery tray. Almost under it.

Daniel_Mc · 05-23-2011

Brett,
That's what I thought... Nothing is on this car.

ittlfly · 05-24-2011

It's called a ''secondary '' vin and is used by law enforcment for vechicle theft ID. IF your second vin # is missing from it's "hidden'' location, I would be somewhat concerned. You might consider having it looked at by your state law enforcment unit that handles auto theft to see if they can locate an alternate location for the #.
I spent many years in law enforcment and I'm only saying the above as a suggestion to save yourself a ''little problem'' if you are stopped and there is a need to check the #. ''Crap happens""!

Daniel_Mc · 05-24-2011

The missing VIN just adds to the mystery of #1639. I spoke to several of the guys from Mercury involved with the Black Motor cars. Several of them seem to think this is a Morrison frame under this car and that the frame is made out of thinner material (several hundred pounds lighter). The lack of any VIN numbers and stampings seems to support this along with the red color under the blackout paint. This ZR-1 started life as a black on black ZR-1 and is now white on black along with this and all of the added welding, bracing, and other little things support that this could be a Morrison frame. The Black LT5 in this ZR-1 was originally thought to be a Baker motor but after speaking with some of the guys involved with the Black Widow cars they seem to think this is one of Tommy Morrison?s motors that Kim Baker got from Tommy and tweaked. Just to clarify this ZR-1 is not a Black Widow car it was done before those cars and not done at DRM.

Daniel

ittlfly · 05-24-2011

The fact that the frame is not an ''OEM frame'' is probably a good thing in this case. That said, I understand that it is a Federal Law that a repeat of the vin# be stamped in a specific place (year & model dependent) on the frame before the car is released into the market. I would think that any aftermarket frame mfg would be held to that Fed standard. I'll bet there is a secondary # stamped somewhere on your frame eventho it may not be in the ''required '' location''.

I still suggested you have the car looked at to assure yourself the car DOES have the second vin # on the frame......speaking for myself, I would not want to come up short in that area as ''an ounce of prevention.......'' might save you one big headache.

FU · 05-24-2011

Did you ever ask JVD about this car ?

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USAFPILOT · 05-24-2011

Got pictures of the frame and where it is different? Sweet looking car with the GenII's.

Blue Flame Restorations · 05-24-2011

If you have documentation of the car being modified, the frame vin will be a mute point, as many race cars have no ID on them. You'd be amazed at how many cars do not have a vin# on them these days but are totally legal.

Daniel_Mc · 05-24-2011

Ittlfly,
I was told only a few of these frames were produced, maybe 10 or so and meant for the race cars only. I doubt that anyone ever thought of releasing the frames into the market. Dieline, from what I understand, is a frame company and produced the frames or certain parts of the Corvette frames for GM. I am not sure exactly what the finished product was that Dieline released to GM. This said if this was the case I doubt any Federal Law was taken into consideration since they were to be for untitled race cars and not mass produced. But then again some type of identifying marking had to have been made. I am going to continue to look for any stamping on the frame as I continue to disassemble the car probably just placed in a different location. I would like to have something because you are right, better safe than sorry. I have already had to go through getting a title since the car was sold on a bill of sale only since New Hampshire did not issue titles to vehicles over 15 years old?

FU2,
I email him once before I purchased the car and have not heard back from him. The only people I have spoken with are Greg Van Deventer, the Rippie?s, and another person from the Black Widow program who?s name escapes me at the moment.

USAFPILOT,
I am working on getting pictures together.

Brett,
I have some but not all I am still putting it all together and chasing leads.

Here is a picture I have that came with the car that has the ZR-1?s VIN hand written on the back of it:

05-23-2011	#2
Blue Flame Restorations Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Pendleton, IN Posts: 3,904	Re: Frame VIN stampings Daniel, there is one on the outside frame rail, just ahead of the battery tray. Almost under it. __________________ 1988 KOH Prototype EX5023 sold 1990 ZR-1 #444 Convertible 1990 ZR-1 Black #966 1991 ZR-1 Quazar Blue #296 1957 Duntov SS Project

05-23-2011	#3
Daniel_Mc Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pineville, LA Posts: 586	Re: Frame VIN stampings Brett, That's what I thought... Nothing is on this car. __________________ [COLOR=black]Daniel McGuffee [/COLOR] [B]1989[/B] Red Coupe #10166 [COLOR=black][B]1989 [/B]Black[/COLOR][COLOR=black] Coupe #23990[/COLOR] [COLOR=black][B]1991[/B] ZR-1 White #1639[/COLOR] [COLOR=red]FRANK APPROVED ZR-1[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=red][COLOR=black]1996[/COLOR] G[/COLOR][COLOR=blue]rand[/COLOR] [COLOR=red]S[/COLOR][COLOR=blue]port[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black]Coupe #564[/COLOR] ======================================== "It's not about the car, it's about the people..." DJ Don't forget to support your [URL="http://corvettemuseum.com/"]National Corvette Museum[/URL]!!!

05-24-2011	#4
ittlfly Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Redding Calif Posts: 223	Re: Frame VIN stampings It's called a ''secondary '' vin and is used by law enforcment for vechicle theft ID. IF your second vin # is missing from it's "hidden'' location, I would be somewhat concerned. You might consider having it looked at by your state law enforcment unit that handles auto theft to see if they can locate an alternate location for the #. I spent many years in law enforcment and I'm only saying the above as a suggestion to save yourself a ''little problem'' if you are stopped and there is a need to check the #. ''Crap happens""! __________________ 1994 ZR-1 # 0102...SOLD

05-24-2011	#5
Daniel_Mc Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pineville, LA Posts: 586	Re: Frame VIN stampings The missing VIN just adds to the mystery of #1639. I spoke to several of the guys from Mercury involved with the Black Motor cars. Several of them seem to think this is a Morrison frame under this car and that the frame is made out of thinner material (several hundred pounds lighter). The lack of any VIN numbers and stampings seems to support this along with the red color under the blackout paint. This ZR-1 started life as a black on black ZR-1 and is now white on black along with this and all of the added welding, bracing, and other little things support that this could be a Morrison frame. The Black LT5 in this ZR-1 was originally thought to be a Baker motor but after speaking with some of the guys involved with the Black Widow cars they seem to think this is one of Tommy Morrison?s motors that Kim Baker got from Tommy and tweaked. Just to clarify this ZR-1 is not a Black Widow car it was done before those cars and not done at DRM. Daniel

05-24-2011	#6
ittlfly Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Redding Calif Posts: 223	Re: Frame VIN stampings The fact that the frame is not an ''OEM frame'' is probably a good thing in this case. That said, I understand that it is a Federal Law that a repeat of the vin# be stamped in a specific place (year & model dependent) on the frame before the car is released into the market. I would think that any aftermarket frame mfg would be held to that Fed standard. I'll bet there is a secondary # stamped somewhere on your frame eventho it may not be in the ''required '' location''. I still suggested you have the car looked at to assure yourself the car DOES have the second vin # on the frame......speaking for myself, I would not want to come up short in that area as ''an ounce of prevention.......'' might save you one big headache. __________________ 1994 ZR-1 # 0102...SOLD Last edited by ittlfly; 05-24-2011 at 12:35 PM.

05-23-2011	#1
Daniel_Mc Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pineville, LA Posts: 586	Frame VIN stampings How many locations are the VIN's stamped in the frame, or any identifying numbers? Also what locations? Thanks in advance, Daniel __________________ [COLOR=black]Daniel McGuffee [/COLOR] [B]1989[/B] Red Coupe #10166 [COLOR=black][B]1989 [/B]Black[/COLOR][COLOR=black] Coupe #23990[/COLOR] [COLOR=black][B]1991[/B] ZR-1 White #1639[/COLOR] [COLOR=red]FRANK APPROVED ZR-1[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=red][COLOR=black]1996[/COLOR] G[/COLOR][COLOR=blue]rand[/COLOR] [COLOR=red]S[/COLOR][COLOR=blue]port[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black]Coupe #564[/COLOR] ======================================== "It's not about the car, it's about the people..." DJ Don't forget to support your [URL="http://corvettemuseum.com/"]National Corvette Museum[/URL]!!!

05-24-2011	#7
FU Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Found Member Posts: 4,346	Re: Frame VIN stampings Did you ever ask JVD about this car ? . __________________ Frank Urbo. NCM Lifetime member # 982 Registry Founding # 237

05-24-2011	#8
USAFPILOT Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Spring TX Posts: 1,348	Re: Frame VIN stampings Got pictures of the frame and where it is different? Sweet looking car with the GenII's.

05-24-2011	#9
Blue Flame Restorations Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Pendleton, IN Posts: 3,904	Re: Frame VIN stampings If you have documentation of the car being modified, the frame vin will be a mute point, as many race cars have no ID on them. You'd be amazed at how many cars do not have a vin# on them these days but are totally legal. __________________ 1988 KOH Prototype EX5023 sold 1990 ZR-1 #444 Convertible 1990 ZR-1 Black #966 1991 ZR-1 Quazar Blue #296 1957 Duntov SS Project

05-24-2011	#10
Daniel_Mc Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pineville, LA Posts: 586	Re: Frame VIN stampings Ittlfly, I was told only a few of these frames were produced, maybe 10 or so and meant for the race cars only. I doubt that anyone ever thought of releasing the frames into the market. Dieline, from what I understand, is a frame company and produced the frames or certain parts of the Corvette frames for GM. I am not sure exactly what the finished product was that Dieline released to GM. This said if this was the case I doubt any Federal Law was taken into consideration since they were to be for untitled race cars and not mass produced. But then again some type of identifying marking had to have been made. I am going to continue to look for any stamping on the frame as I continue to disassemble the car probably just placed in a different location. I would like to have something because you are right, better safe than sorry. I have already had to go through getting a title since the car was sold on a bill of sale only since New Hampshire did not issue titles to vehicles over 15 years old? FU2, I email him once before I purchased the car and have not heard back from him. The only people I have spoken with are Greg Van Deventer, the Rippie?s, and another person from the Black Widow program who?s name escapes me at the moment. USAFPILOT, I am working on getting pictures together. Brett, I have some but not all I am still putting it all together and chasing leads. Here is a picture I have that came with the car that has the ZR-1?s VIN hand written on the back of it:

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