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Old 09-21-2015   #11
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Default Re: Likely Heater Core Failure

If hes venting/misting at the windshield and leaking in the passenger footwell. I'm 100% certain its the Heater Core. Thats what mine did before it crapped the bed
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Old 09-21-2015   #12
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Thanks all. I'm thinking after a couple of hours of disassembly I'll be able to determine if removal of the existing Heater Core without removing the dash pad is feasible. I'm not sure I have anything to lose by giving it a try. At the same time, please let me know if you have first hand experience and don't think this is going to work!

GC, sounds like you've done this on a 1991 ZR-1. My car is a 1991 also. I'd be real interested in your thoughts on the likelihood of succeeding without removing the dash. I do understand there will be problems with a couple of mechanical connections that will be difficult to see without dash removel. For these connections, I'm planning to use a fiber optic inspection camera as a work around.

Jim, I understand you're busy. I might take you up on pressure testing the system if you think it makes sense. I'm just not sure what else would result in the symptoms I'm experiencing other than the heater core. The symptoms are:

- vapor and condensation on the windshield at and between AC/Heat setpoint temperatures of 60 and 90 degrees.
- vapor clearly smells like antifreeze.
- unmistakable antifreeze puddle in the plasitic passenger side footwell.

Thanks again for any thoughts or suggestions.
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Old 09-21-2015   #13
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If hes venting/misting at the windshield and leaking in the passenger footwell. I'm 100% certain its the Heater Core. Thats what mine did before it crapped the bed
GC, I'm no expert but I agree!
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Old 09-21-2015   #14
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GC, sounds like you've done this on a 1991 ZR-1. My car is a 1991 also. I'd be real interested in your thoughts on the likelihood of succeeding without removing the dash. I do understand there will be problems with a couple of mechanical connections that will be difficult to see without dash removel. For these connections, I'm planning to use a fiber optic inspection camera as a work around.
Since I didnt even consider it without pulling the dash I felt this was the best way to go. On Corvette forum on the 84-89 there is a well documented "Fast guy" method. That all changed for MY90 and up. My suggestion is that it will be easier in the long run. Otherwise the positioning is very ackward and the access the the bolts is just a plain bear even with the glove box out of the way. GC
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90 RED/BLACK #2794. 4L60e Automatic Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless Headers, Corsa Exhaust, SAN Secondaries and Haibeck PROM, Exotic Muscle Coil overs, LED Interior Lights, LED Tail Lights, LED Headlights, 94 Sport seats with black custom Sheepskins , Cragar rear louvers, GS Front calipers, Banski Trailing arms, APSIS Carbon Fiber steering wheel, Front and Rear Baer Eradispeeds, DRLs, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension), Dewitt's Raditor with Dual SPAL fans and a Haibeck 170 T-Stat

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Old 09-21-2015   #15
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spend a few dollars and give Gordon Killabrew a call. he literally "wrote the book" and was explaining that he had a few tricks that will really help.

it's very easy to bypass in the meantime so you can isolate the core and continue to enjoy the car.

the rad stench is a B though. don't pump any more of it into the car.

my first Z did this at about 80k miles JUST in time for me to sell it.

could've waited a few more weeks and I would have been happier it went to cali where you don't even need it!!
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Old 09-23-2015   #16
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From engine side its not possible to remove the heater-core.
I can send pictures from engine side with the module a.c. Evaporator and blower motor removed.

Did you checked already if it is maybe leakeage from the heater hoses, thru the bulkhead seal material..... If there is coolant leaking from those hoses it can enter that area where the heater assembly is.

Toke away the ac evap/blower module toke me three hours. I did this because of a leaking evaporator element.
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Old 09-23-2015   #17
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I removed both seats in order to have more room.it was a job to put the pad back on by yourself. I would also give you a hand.

Nelson


QUOTE=QB93Z;232467]Hi Scott, I am busy with rehab'ing a rental property, but if you let me know when you are going to work on it, I will try to come down to your area and help. Nelson has experience pulling the dash pad and I am sure he would be glad to help as well.

I have a coolant system pressure tester that you can borrow if you want to try and verify a heater core leak.

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Old 09-24-2015   #18
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Here's a few photos from the 93 I changed.






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Old 09-24-2015   #19
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Old 09-24-2015   #20
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Great Photos......but SCARY
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