Refinishing the engine - Would it take away NCRS points?

[RICKYRJ1]

I have the flat gray. I think it does not do the LT5 justice. I'm going with silver PC with red/blk lettering. I deal with the NCRS judges later, I heard they take take payoffs like the refs from the SB

[TommyL]

If you repaint the LT-5 in the factory paint just to freshen or "restore" it, you shold not be affected by NCRS judging unless you are going for the total original "survivor class". If you were to powder coat the engine in a different color or alter it in anyway you WILL loose points.

My advise is: If you plan on having your car judged and want to maintain a so called "perfect" NCRS car, Leave it alone and keep it as original as possible...dont change anything if you dont have to. That is what NCRS is all about ORIGINALITY!

NCRS Will check parts and #s on your car you didnt even know about. They will comb through it and find alot of point deductions unless you do your homework. One item that I can see almost everyone loosing points on is the battery-very few if any of us have the original battery. This type of judging is not for everyone...it is possible for a team of judges to inspect your car for an hour +. As i said in CF you should get the newest NCRS Judging Manual 1990-1991 to get an idea of what they look for and then you will have a good idea of what an NCRS event is all about.

[Kevin]

even if you leave it stock it will loose you points. It's just not worth it IMO

[Ed Hoffman]

Corvette 95,
I am about to have my 1957 judged for the final time in an attempt to receive the Duntov Award of Excellence. It is a hard road to travel, but when you have finished, the value of the Corvette is at it's peak. Buyers look for NCRS judging awards and Bloomington Gold awards. Bloomington has not accepted Corvettes that are less than 25 years old. I just purchased a 93 Ruby ZR with 16,000 miles. The car is absolutly original and looks showroom fresh. The man I bought the car from was a fanatic about keeping and storing the car in a plastic shield. Now for NCRS judging of the ZR-1 Corvettes. The requirements are simple in design. The Corvette must look and function as it did the day it come off the showroom floor, with normal dealer prep. All parts that have a number visible, engine, Oil Filter, Battery, and all such items will be judged for originalty and condition. Every lable is judged. There is 5 sections that are judged. Operations (everything must work), exterior, interior, mechanical, and chassis. This year(2006) NCRS accepted 90 and 91 Corvettes for judging. Oh by the way, I am an NCRS judge, and the fellow(RickyRj1) who posted "NCRS Judges take payoffs" I beleive is living in Na Na land. We do this for nothing, which includes our own plane fare, lodging, and food, when we go to a judging meet. Back to your question. The first thing you need to do is contact and join an NCRS chapter in your area. I know there is a Southeast Chapter and can be reached at (770) 338-2806. After you join the Chapter, you then become eligible to join the National Chapter of NCRS (NCRS.com). You then purchase the NCRS Technicle Information Manual & Judging Guide. This will walk you thru every area that will be judged. My advise to you is, if you want to start down this road be prepared to spend some dollars. The older the Corvette the more expensive it will be. The ZR-1 will be the L-88 or L-89 when it is a few years older. Remember the big block cars started out and 5,000 to 6,000 not long ago. Now look at their value. The ZR-s and the ZO-6's are going to be just like those corvettes. If you need any additional info just e-mail me.

Ed 93 Ruby #384
Stock
Going to NCRS for judging April 2007, Las Vegas, Nv.

[RICKYRJ1]

Ed, The judge pay-off comment was a joke! If you look back at the posting date, it was post Super Bowl. There was a on going rant about the game. How did you find out I live in Na Na Land? The NY Times? Good luck with your car

[taximan1]

Ed is right on with his comments.

I have been an NCRS judge for 2 years now, and a member for 15 years. It is a very worthwhile and informative organization, and plays a huge part in the history and future of Corvette.

I have had 3 Corvettes flight judged over the last 15 years, a 66, a 63 SWC, and currently a 67 BB. I have had a 93 40th annv. ZR1, and a yellow 94 zr1. I regret selling them both, thats why I just purchased a 94 Torch zr1.

I would highly encourage zr1 owners to consider participating in the NCRS. We need new people coming in with knowledge and desire to grow the C4 segment (especially zr1,s) of NCRS.

NCRS is not for everyone. But it is an organization with a lot of good, friendly people that put in a lot of time to this hobby. Don't be scared away by stories of some "super anal" individuals that want to criticize your car like its a piece of crap. There are some of these people in NCRS judging, but fortunately they are the extreme minority.

Ed, good luck on your Duntov award journey. That is certainly a very respected and difficult level to obtain. I only made it to regional top flights on my cars. Unfortunately, with midyears, to go to national level TF requires serious coin for rare items.

[Ed Hoffman]

Amen to that taximan. Oh to have the split window again. Now for Ricky, I knew it was not stated in a serious tone. What I wanted to let the rest of the folks know is, we in NCRS are attempting to draw in the younger group. We, myself included, are the way over the hill gang. All of NCRS wants to pass the torch. Those of us who are long in the tooth, want to teach the razor tothed guys and girls for only one reason. We want the greatest sports car in the world, made in America, to last. By passing the torch we can go to the big Sebring in the sky, knowing all is well and in good hands.

[Kevin]

I'm 24 and I've been involved with the NCRS for many years. I'll say this, it is not for me. I'll judge cars but I'll never put my car through that rigmarole. When it comes to the motor paint you're going to loose points either way. It won't look like it came from the factory and it won't be in a nice condition so you loose points no matter what.

Just PC the damn thing and call it a day.

[RICKYRJ1]

Originally Posted by Ed Hoffman

Amen to that taximan. Oh to have the split window again. Now for Ricky, I knew it was not stated in a serious tone. What I wanted to let the rest of the folks know is, we in NCRS are attempting to draw in the younger group. We, myself included, are the way over the hill gang. All of NCRS wants to pass the torch. Those of us who are long in the tooth, want to teach the razor tothed guys and girls for only one reason. We want the greatest sports car in the world, made in America, to last. By passing the torch we can go to the big Sebring in the sky, knowing all is well and in good hands.

I feel ya The older guys do have to pass the torch to the next generation. NCRS is a positve force in the corvette world but a tough one to crack. I have a 95 ZR1 w/4000 miles, Not original battery, BB exhaust but do have the original to put back on, a hole cut into my upper radiator shroud ( previous owner) I have a new shroud but not all the stickers that go on it ( most are discontinued) Everything else has never been touched. If it stayed in its present condition except for more miles what would the judges give it? Don't worry I won't quote you on it. I'm just putting it out there for further discussion on this matter. It might give us younger guys a good frame of reference on what we are looking at when our cars are qualified to be judged.

[taximan1]

1. Non original battery is 5 points
2. Non original exhaust would be a huge hit (around 85 points)
3. ypu would lose a few condition points for a cut shroud
4. missing or incorrect decals are usually 1 point each.

Remember, even if everything else is correct, you would probably lose condition points along the line. But you would probably sail through to a top flight. Probably somewhere between 96.5 to 98.0