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Re: Changing clutch – can I do this myself?
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On the other hand if you have the time to wait for the order to come in and you think you'll be tearing the C beam out a lot, go for it. You can list it as on of the performance improvements you made to the car.
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The best overall reason to buy beam plates is if you just can't hold the hardware on top of the C beam and you think your work may need to be redone soon.
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A few things you said here raises some flags: "This is called "Torque steer"...To my knowledge no one has measured this effect with or without these magic plates...There is still some slop in the C beam holes and the bolt even with the plates." Those statements seem to be in conflict. No one has measured...still some slop...'magic plates'"?? If no one has measured, how do we know there's still some slop?? To the best of your knowledge no one has objective data on the effect of the beam plates as it relates to steering stability, YET there is objective data to show movement remains in spite of the plates?? And your referral to them as "magic plates" suggests (to me) either some subjectivity or perhaps some specific (untold) knowledge allowing you to scoff at the plates? If there is a objective source, please enlighten us! In the mean time, I suppose the debate on their effectiveness is open. Pete said he doesn't use them, and we've seen him lauch as hard as anyone. But, after installing the plates the lateral "kick" I experienced on my Z was gone. Was the improvement on my car due to the plates, or simply re-torquing the bolts??...I dunno. But, I will say this: In my experience with the C beam removal and reinstallation (especially) without the plates it was such a mo-fo PIA!! The first time I installed the "magic plates" (your words) they completely transformed the entire chore of removing and reinstalling the C beam to the point of not even having to give it a second thought! If you try them, especially if your hands are average to large, you might change your mind. "Magic plates"? You might be right about them - at least in some regard! P.
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Re: Changing clutch – can I do this myself?
Aman to that Paul. Not only does the simple design eliminate the nuts but the added thickness of the SS plats give you more beef and strength to prevent the cbeam holes from wallering out. Aluminum is pretty soft stuff. Before installing the plates my car would kick out to the right. The drag strip christmas tree operator looked worried as my car would come right toward him until i straightened out. Not anymore. The car goes straight. Im able to powerslide the car around any corner an controle where it goes.
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05-28-2012 | #36 |
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Re: Changing clutch – can I do this myself?
Always happy to display the added benefits of the beam plates.
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05-28-2012 | #37 |
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Re: Changing clutch – can I do this myself?
Do NOT over-tighten the "C" beam bolts,
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05-29-2012 | #38 |
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Re: Changing clutch – can I do this myself?
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whether you put the magic plates in or not, do focus on those things that really matter like your clutch plate and surfaces AND the rear bolts on the bell housing. It was touched on in this thread but needs more info shared . Two of the rear bolts are grounding points for various things on the car. You should clean the bell housing surface and the grounding lugs then apply dielectric grease to them before reinstalling the bolts. This won't improve your gas mileage or times at the drag strip but will keep you from having to go back in and deal with it later. When there are grounding problems there the symptoms are wildly unexpected and varied from car to car. No fun. Later if you really want to improve things that mover around under WOT there is a really good thread going on stiffening the frame to avoid torque steer here. http://zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17491
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06-02-2012 | #39 |
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Re: Changing clutch – can I do this myself?
Thanks to everyone for their helpful suggestions
I've made a list to keep track of it all. I contacted Pete and he's agreed to change the clutch at a great price and he'll even let me help We plan on doing this in a week or so. I'm not sure why I'm hesitant about doing this myself - I guess it's because it's the first major job on my "new" Z and I don't want to screw up and take 3 weeks. I've really learned a lot between your posts and talking with Bill Boudreau and Jim Jandik. |
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Re: Changing clutch – can I do this myself?
It will be 100 times easier on a lft and 2 hands woulds really help, plus Pete is a pro and it will be a great experience
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