Black Tag going into '94 Z

[WVZR-1]

Originally Posted by YungEff

Sure, here is a pic of the blue tag ZF6 I removed from my '94.

Thanks!! Does have a lift ring on the shifter! Correct?

[YungEff]

It's Actually got a hurst short-throw shifter so it does not have a lift ring.

[WARP TEN]

Originally Posted by YungEff

It's Actually got a hurst short-throw shifter so it does not have a lift ring.

When I had Marc install a Hurst shifter on my '93 back in about 1995 (because I hated the lift ring) it seemed to have enough spring pressure when pushing it sideways that I did not feel any further safeguard was necessary. I never missed a 4-5 shift and went into reverse.--Bob

[Paul Workman]

Originally Posted by WARP TEN

When I had Marc install a Hurst shifter on my '93 back in about 1995 (because I hated the lift ring) it seemed to have enough spring pressure when pushing it sideways that I did not feel any further safeguard was necessary. I never missed a 4-5 shift and went into reverse.--Bob

Well, actually I think you meant a 5-6 shift...is where one would be most likely to miss and go into reverse. But, maybe a 2-3 shift too w/o a lift ring would (technically) avail an accidental 2- reverse shift.

However, Ami's Hurst shifter is way more positive that stock. I have accidentally done a 2-5 instead of hitting 3rd on several speed shift attempts on occasion with my stock shifter.

[WARP TEN]

Originally Posted by Paul Workman

Well, actually I think you meant a 5-6 shift...is where one would be most likely to miss and go into reverse. But, maybe a 2-3 shift too w/o a lift ring would (technically) avail an accidental 2- reverse shift.

However, Ami's Hurst shifter is way more positive that stock. I have accidentally done a 2-5 instead of hitting 3rd on several speed shift attempts on occasion with my stock shifter.

Yes Paul you are right. 5 to 6. Forgot reverse was down and away. So easy to do when you have graduated to an automatic..... In any case I do recall getting slightly hung up in the side-to-side reverse gate once when shifting from 4 to 5, but not actually going into reverse (which would be in the other direction as you note). I also had Hursts in both cars and their spring detent was certainly sufficient to keep me out of reverse except when I wanted to
go there.--Bob

[Corvette95]

Old thread..but does anyone have step by step procedures and pictures on swapping the guide tube (and related parts etc) from a black label transmission to a blue label transmission?

[Ccmano]

Originally Posted by Corvette95

Old thread..but does anyone have step by step procedures and pictures on swapping the guide tube (and related parts etc) from a black label transmission to a blue label transmission?

Why? Just use the later Throwout bearing...
I'm running a blue label in my 90', works just fine that way.
H

[Corvette95]

Well, that is the other option. I was trying to prevent issues with getting a new pilot bearing seated just right and hoping to get a good (not China) throw out bearing. I don?t know which is the better way. I am open to suggestions in the best course of action . I know what throw out bearing to use, what pilot bearing do I use if I went that route and what style ? I originally thought swapping the sleeve would be easier and less risky for noise. Anything to swap with fork? Help me make a good decision here. Thanks! I?ll be honest , in all my research I didn?t not catch the guide sleeve until I COMPLETELY installed the blue tag to completion and mean hydraulics hooked up and bleed , c beam in...done. I luckily have not started the engine , I found this by accident as I was researching early model 90 Voss sensors and found one small thread mentioning the tube... oh well, a blessing if I look at it right because I caught it before it was started. I can?t sleep now thinking of redoing the job again on my back on jack stands without a proper trans jack! I researched the swap extensively, maybe it would make a good solutions sticky?

[Ccmano]

Yeah that would not have worked. Don't drive the car that way. It would destroy the clutch assembly and probably the input shaft in short order. Switching the Throwout bearing is the only thing you have to do because of the smaller diameter input shaft on the blue label. Everything else is the same, fork included.
I'm sure someone here might have a TO bearing stashed. Your old one could even be traded or sold. The rarely go bad. Put up an ad.

If I'm not mistaken the Centerforce TO bearing is made in Brazil not China. While not the same quality as the originals I believe it's serviceable for a stock HP engine. Here's one advertised on EBay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224102665349

Good thing you caught that.

Oh and don't sweat the pilot bearing install. It's a simple install, it rests against a machined stop in the end of the crankshaft. The only thing you can really do wrong is not put it in deep enough. If your concerned simply measure the depth of the old one before you remove it and install the new one to the same depth.
H

[Corvette95]

Originally Posted by Ccmano

Yeah that would not have worked. Don't drive the car that way. It would destroy the clutch assembly and probably the input shaft in short order. Switching the Throwout bearing is the only thing you have to do because of the smaller diameter input shaft on the blue label. Everything else is the same, fork included.
I'm sure someone here might have a TO bearing stashed. Your old one could even be traded or sold. The rarely go bad. Put up an ad.

If I'm not mistaken the Centerforce TO bearing is made in Brazil not China. While not the same quality as the originals I believe it's serviceable for a stock HP engine. Here's one advertised on EBay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224102665349

Good thing you caught that.

Oh and don't sweat the pilot bearing install. It's a simple install, it rests against a machined stop in the end of the crankshaft. The only thing you can really do wrong is not put it in deep enough. If your concerned simply measure the depth of the old one before you remove it and install the new one to the same depth.
H

Thanks...the car never even got started before I found the problem...it was research on the different exhaust hanger bracket for the different tail shaft that I found by luck the TO bearing difference. I ordered a roller bearing tpe pilot, that is what Marc H recommends, I understand Bill B recommends the fluted type...which are you using?