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Old 12-10-2019   #51
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Features & Controls
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Power Door Locks
With power door locks, ,you can lock or
unlock both doors-.of your vehicle from
the driver or-passenger door lock switch.
Slide the power door lock switch
reaward to lock the doors. Slide the
switch €ornard to unlock the doors.
Leaving Your Vehicle
If you are leaving,the vehicle, open your
door and set the lucks from inside. Then
get out and close the door.
Your vehicle has a thee detefrent
system. See- the index uader Unzversal
Theft Deterrent.
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Passive KeyEess Entry System
Your Passive Keyless Entry system
operates on a radio frequency subjecto
Federal Communications Commission
(FCC) Rules.
This device complies with Part 15 of the
FCC Rules. Operation is subject to the
following two conditions: (1) This
device may not cause- harmful
interfejrence, and (2) This device must
accept any interference received,
including interference that may cause
undesired operation.
Should interference to this system
occur, try this:
Check to:see if the passive feature is
enabled.
Check the distance. You may be too
far lrom your vehicle. This product
has a maximum range.
Check the location. Other vehicles or
objects-may be blocking the signal.
Check to determine if battery
replacement is. necessary. See the
instructioas .on battery replacement
later in this section.
See your Chevrolet dealer 6r.a
qualified technician for service.
Changes or modifications td this system
by other than an authorized service
facility could void authorization to use
this .equipment.
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Passive Keyless .Entry Description
The Passive Keyless-Entry system, or
PKE, on your Corvette is a new
approach2o remote keyless entry.
Unlike other systems, PKE requires no
specific .action from the operator ,to
unlock or lock the dams. When the
passive kature is er;abled, simply
approach the vehide with the .PKE
trinsmitter-the system automatically
disarms your vehicle's theft deterrent
system and unlocks either the driver's
door or both doors (depending on
which unlock mode it is in). Move back
aut -of range, and P-KE locks all the
doas and arms the theft deterrent
system.
The Passive Keyless Entry system also
has other useful features. The passenger
- door can be unlocked by pressing. the
DOOR button on the transmitter. On
the. coupe, the hatch can be openqd ley
pressing the HATCH button on the
transmitter. In addition to these
features, there is a special function that
prevents thekeys from being locked in
the vehicle while they are in the
ignition.
Your Corvette comes equipped from the
facbry with one transmitter. Additional
transmitters, if desired, .may be
purchased though your dealer. Each
transmitter is co-ded for. secu-rity, and
must be ,programmed to yow vehicle
before it is used. See Programming
Transmitters laterin this section,
Transmitter Range
The Passive Keyless Entry system
sen-ses the transmitter when it is within
a certain-range of the vehicle. When the
transmitter is' within this range, the
doar(s) will unIock auto-matieally (if the
passive feature is enabled), the theft
deterrent system will be disarmed, -and
the courtesy lights wilI be turned on (if
it is dark enough outside).
Transmitter ranges., as shorn in the
coupe and convertibie illustrations, are
as follows:
Range A: .5-7 feet (.11h-2 m)
Range B: 3-5 feet. (1-1% rn)
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The signal of the transmitter is picked
up by two antennas. On the coupe, one
antenna is located in the driver's door
and one is located in the rear of the
luggage-area. These antennas do not
require any routine maintenance I
Transmitter Range (Convertible)
Qn the convertible, one antenna is
located in the driver's door and one- is
located in the passenger's -door. These
antennas do not require any routine
maintenance.
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Transmitter Range Suggestions:
The range of the Passive Keyless
EMry system is very dependent on
bow the transmitter is held. For
opthum range hd performance,
hold the transmitter vertically when
approaching the vehicle.
If the range gradually decreases over
time even though the transiitter is
held vertically, change the battery in
the transmitter.
The range will decrease if mure than
one3ransmitter is in range at the same
time. Avoid taking more than onetransmitter into vehicle range at the
same time.
Do not put the transmitter into a
metal container, which will prevent
the .signal from getting- to the vehicle.
hen you move the transmitter into
vehicle range, the theft deterrent system
automatically disengages and the
driver's door automatically unlocks.
When you move the transmitter out of
vehide range with the' do.ors closed and
the key out af the ignition, the system
will automatically:
Lock both .dooxs after -a five-second
Immediately arm the theft deterrent
Sound the horn once to signal that
Turn-off the interior lights.
delay.
system.
the doors are locked.
The theft deterrent system will still
operate using the .pma d0.w lock. See
the Index under .Universal The#?
DeZerrenzt.
You mEQT also Llnbclr the passenger
door by pressing the-DOOR-buttoil Qn
the transmitter, and the hatch by
pressing the HATCH button, but only
when the ignition is off.
Features & Controls
Passive Keyless Entry Settings
With Passive Keyless Entry, you am usethe system to operate both doors, or'
only the driver's door. You can also
choose to disable the system, ifthere are
times when. you would prefer .not to use
Passive Keyless Entry.
To Sdtch Dbor Settings:
To switch the: setting, from automatically
locking .and unlocking the .driver's door
to autom,atically iocling: and unlocking
both doors:
1. Insert the ignition key, but leave the
ipition off.
2. With the transmitter in range, hold.
the. DOOR, button for more than two
seconds. The system.wil1 then cycle
the doox. locks.
3. To switch back, repeat steps I; and 2.
Turning the Passive Keyless Entry
System Off
1, Take the keys out of the-ignition.
2. Hold the DOOR button on the
tramrnitter for longer than two
seconds.
3: The: system will sfgnal the shut-off by
cycling the locks from lock to unlock.
T.0 make sure the PKE system is off,
turn the ignition on and look for the
PASSIVE KEYLESS ENTRY hght
on the Driver Information Center. If
the PKE system Is on, the light will
come on for-two seconds. If the
systemis off, the light will not come
on.
When the system is off or me
transmitter is left at home, none of the
Passive Keyless. Entry features work.
But you will still be able to work the
manual and power locks, and arm the
theft deterrent system. See the Index
'under Door Lacks, .Power Door Locks
and Univerml Theft Deterrent.
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If you are working around your Corvette
and are- keeping your keys with you,
you rnight want to turn the Passive
Keyless Entry system off to prevent the
transmitter from activating the locks.
You also might want to turn the system
off if you have a passenger remaining in
the vehicle. If the passenger leaves the
vehicle with the dm arme.d, he or she
might set it off.
Enabling the Passive Keyless Entry
System:
To turn .the Passive Keyless Entry
system: on again, simply follow steps 1
through 3'under Turning the- Passive:
Keyless Entry System Off.
There-are two ways to make sure that
the passive feature is on. Either turn- the
ignition on and check to see' that the
PASSTvlE KE%LESS ENTRY light on
the Driver Infomation Center comes
on-for two seconds, or shut the doors.
and walk away from the vehicle with
the keys and transmitter. If the PKE
system is on,.the doors.will lock.
Passive Keyless Entry Safety Features
This system makes it d.Scult for you to
lock-your keys in the vehicle. If the keys
are left In the ignition and you lock-the
doors, the system dl1 automatically
unlock the doors as soon as they close.
Also, this system will not lock the doot
&er the transmitter has moved out of
range until the key is removed from the
ignition and the.-driver's door has been
opened. When using this system, you.
should become aware of the:ham ale-rt
once the doors lock automatically. If
you have left your keys. in the ignition,
the horn will .not souhd. Be sure to, lock
the doors ,once- you have removed the
key from the ignition.
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Passive Keyless Enfry Safety
Features (CONT.)
If you have your keys and the h.om does
not sound, check to see’if the passive.
feature is.enabled. If the system is
enabled and the horn still won’t sound,
see your dealer for -assistance.
The transmitter shuts down after 21
seconds without movement to
maximize battery life. If. you’ve lpclted
your keys in the vehicle, but didn’t leave
them in the ignition, wait 25 seconds,
then rock the vehicle. A motion
detector inside the. transmitter will send
a si-gnal to “wake up’’ the vehicle, which
will then unlock the doors.
It is still possible to lock your lreys in
the vehicle if the transmitter’s battery is
low, or if it is in a location where a
signal can’t be received, .For your
convenience, a€ways take your keys
with.you.
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-Matching Transmitter(§) to Your
Vehicle
Your Corvette comes equipped from the
-factory with one Passive Keyless Entry
system transmitter. Additional
transmitters may be purchased through
your- dealer. Each Bey chain transmitter
is coded to prevent another transmitter
from unlocking your vehicle. If a
transmitter is lost or stolen, a
replacement can be purchasdthrough
your dealer. Remember to bring theremaining. transmitter (s) with you when
you go to your dealer. When the dealer
matches the replacement transmitter to
your vehicle, the remaining
transmitter(s) must aIso be matched.
‘Once the new transmitter is coded, the
lost transmitter will not unlock your
vehicle.
Programming Transmiff ers
The Passive Keyless Entry system
allows up to thee transmitters to be
matched to your Corvette. Each
transmitter has its own code. To
operate with your~particular vehicle, the
code needs to be programmed into the
system.
To Engage the Pmgramming Mode:
1 I Move all transmitters out of range.
2. Turn.the ignition key on.
3. Push the TRIP ODO button on the
Driver Information Center twice.
4. Within five seconds, press and hold
the FUEL INFO button on the
Driver Inforfiation Center until the
PASSIVE KEYLESS ENTRY light
comes on and stays on. --
5. Turn the ignition key to the Off
position, but leave the key in the
ignitiofi..
The PASSIVE KEYLESS ENTRY
light should flash once per second
signaling that the system is ready to
program the first transmitter. The
number of times the light flashes
corresponds to the number ofthe
transmitter you're programming (once
-per second-for the..first trarrsmitter,
twice per second for the second
transmitter, and three times per second
for the- third transmitter).
Programming a Transmitter:
1. Bringa transmitter into range.
2. 'The PASSIVE KEYLESS ENTRY
light will come on-and stay an,
signaling that-the code has been
stored..
3. Move, the transmitter out of range.
The system light will flash again and
the system is ready for the next
transmitter.
4. You can turn of€ the. pograrnming,
node by removing the ley from the
ignitipn or by turning the ignition on.
Turning uff the programming. mode
before you pro-gram my transmitters
will-not .cancel-any transmitter codes
akeady programmed into the system.
Bringing m&e than one transmitter
into range at :a time will make it
difficult for the system to search-for
individual codes.
The program-ming: mode will shut off
after two minutes Z
you have not programed any
-* ~l;ou have taken the key out of the
after three transmitters have been
If a transmitter is lost or stden, a
replacement can be .purchased through
yourdealer.
If .fewer-than three transmitters are
programmed, only those transmitters
will work with your vehicle.
When the.first transmitter is
programmed, all prev.ious transmitter
codes.,wiU be erased. So when , , ,
pto'grmming a new transmitter,~d
other transmitters must be
.reprogrammed.
transmittegs,
ignition, or
programmed.
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Baff ery Replacement
Under normal use., the batteries in your
key chain.tramnitter should last about
eighteen months.
You can tell the batteries are weak if the
transmitter won’t workat the normal
range in any location. If you have to get
close to your vehicle before the
transmitter works, it’s probably time to
change the batteries.
To Replace Yaw Battery:
1. Gently pry the back of the transmitter
Off.
2. Gently push back the batteryretainer
and remove the battery (DL2450 or
equivalent),
-3. Replace the battery by placing the
negative side down first.
4. Replace the transmitter covmand
squeeze the two halves together.
5. Check the transmitter operation.
Theft
Vehicle theft is big business, especially
in some cities. Although yo.ur Corvette
$as a number of theft deterrent features,
we how that nothi-ng we put on it can
make it impossible to steal. However,
there are ways you can help.
Key in the Ignition: If you walk awgy
from your vehicle with the keys inside,
it’-s ;an.easy target far joy riders or
professional thieves-so don’t do it.
When you park your Corvette and
open the driver’s door, you’ll heat a
chime reminding you to remove your
key from the ignition and take it with
you. Always do this. Your steering
wheel will be locked, and so will yo.ur
ignition. I€ you have-an autbmatic
transmission,, taking your key out also
locks your transmission-. And
remiember to lock the doors.
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Universal Theft Deterrent
Your Corvette has a theft, deterrent
darm system. Witb-this syitm, the
SECvrriI'IY light will flash..as you open
the door (if yam ignition is off).
This light 1.ernind.s you. tsar..m the theft
deterrent: system.
Here's 'How tu Ro It:
I. open the doQr;
2. Lock the door with the. p.ower.door
lock switch or Passive LQyless Entry
System. The SECURITY light should
come on and stay on,
light should go off.
3. Close -all door$* .The: SECURITY
If a door or the hatch is opened without
ths key or Passive Keyfe'ss Entry
systm, the alarm wil go off.
Your vehicle's horn will sound for thee
minutes, then WilLgo .off to save battery
power. And, your vehiclewill not start.
Remember, the theft deterrent sys-tem
won't arm if you lock the doors with, a.
key ox manual. 4oor lock. It ms only if
you use a power door io& switch or.
'Passive Key]ess Entry system.
Features & Controls
If you set off the alarm by accident,
unlock any door with your key, or insert
the ignition key in the ignition. You can
also turn off the alarm by using,the
Passive Keyless Entry system.
The alarm won't stop if you try to
uniock a door any other way.
How to Test the Alarm:
Follow these steps .to test your alarm
System:
1 Make sure that the rear hatch is
2. Leave -a window down.
3. Arm the system as explained
4. Close the doors and wait five seconds.
5. Reach in though the window, unlock
the door from inside the vehicle, and
open the door. The alarm should
sound.
6. Shut off the alarm by using the. door
key to uniock either door from the
outside of.the vehicle, or insert the
key in the ignition.
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previously.
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If the atarm does not sound when it
should, check to see- if the horn works.
The horn fuse may be blown. To replace
the fuse, see the Index under Pus@ G
Circuit Breukers .
To reduce the possibility af theft,
always arm the theft deterrent system
when leavh.lg your vehicle.
PASS-Key'"
Your vehicle is. equipped with the
PASS-Key'" (Personalized Automotive
Security -System) theft deterrent system.
PASS-Key" is:a passive theft deterrent
System. This m-eans ygu don't have to
do- anything different to amn or disarm
the system. It worlrs when you insert m
remove the key ~~QI-II the ignition.
PASS-Key'" uses a resistor pellet in the
ignition key that matches a decoder in
your vehicle.
Whenthe PAS.S-Key'" system. senses
thgt someone is using the.wrong key, it
shuts dom the vehiWs starter md he1
systems. For about the minutes, the
starter won't work and hel won't


Let me know how you make out
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Old 12-11-2019   #52
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Yes, I see that section now. I was about 7 pages ahead on pass key. I will try programming system tomorrow. Only question I still have is wouldn't the remote be working manually or are you suggesting that the fob could have some how lost its programming?
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Old 12-11-2019   #53
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Could have happened, BUT, you may have toggled it off.
You toggle passive action on or off by depressing and holding the door button for 2-3 seconds until the locks cycle on and off.
You may have inadvertently turned it off.
Perhaps try that first.

I would also check all door switches to make sure that they are working properly, and the hatch switch as well.

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Batteries only last 18 months?
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Your chime, interior lights and ignition key are all interrelated.
Once you have all of them working, I submit that the car will crank.

Everything that you have stated points to the starter circuit not being energized
You hear fuel and vacuum pumps, which are all activated for the start sequence.
However, if you read the FSM, it specifically states that failing the anti theft protocol only prevents CRANKING.

It would be great if you could determine if there is 12 plus volts going to the starter when the key is turned to start.
If it is, then the percussion persuasion applied to the starter as Mark suggested likely will get you going.
Although my bet is you are not getting that voltage as the VATS is preventing it.
The CCM wants to see a car unlocked with the key or the remote, then interior light draw, then correct resistance in the ignition circuit.
Now in the shop I do not have to do all 3 each time, but if 1,2, or 3 have NOT happened, the starter does not get energized by the CCM.
You MAY, repeat MAY have done something to the CCM when you installed the battery or charged it, but I doubt that at this point.
Until you have pass key, chime and interior lights, I would not be suspicious of the CCM.

Also have you tried the start with both the battery and a battery box connected while turning the key?

I am more suspicious of your door switches. they directly control both the chime and the interior lights, and as mentioned the CCM looks for input from those circuits.
If your fuses are all good, then the switches are the next thing to look at.

I am further puzzled as to why your fully charged battery died in one week.
C-4's do not draw enough to do that unless something is creating such a draw.
Or your battery is not as robust as you think.
Did you take it for testing?
And lastly, having only one key has not convinced me that there may still be an issue with the resistance.
Many of these things are simple to rule out.
But at this point, we have not ruled out
1- the battery
2-PKE
3 interior lights
4 key
5 key circuit.

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Marty,Today tried to get remote to work but no good. Tried to reprogram following the sequence you sent me and that did not work. I didn't get any messages displayed when I started the programming. Holding the lock button down also does nothing. The door lock switches both work fine as does horn and headlights and the hatch release button works. Radio works and seats work. I do have full voltage on the 10ga red wire in the wire loom. Still no chime when keys are in the ignition and door is opened, also don't notice any interior lights when door opened. Had battery load tested and its strong, only 2 weeks old. Also put new battery in remote fob 2 weeks ago.
I have tried putting a battery charger on boost 200 amp when the old battery was in and that also didn't work.
When I turn the key on it seems that all the normal lights come on for a time on the dash with the exception of security or PKE. WHAT DO YOU THINK.
Thanks, Ed
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Do your interior lights light if you move the dimmer all the way beyond high to turn on the lights?
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Don't know, I'm guessing that they will not just based on the fact I've never changed the setting from when they were working. I'll be back to where the car is stored on Friday and I will give it a try.
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Old 12-12-2019   #59
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JMHO :

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/add...s-entry-system
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Also good advice, be trying these suggestions tomorrow! Thanks.
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