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Old 02-25-2018   #31
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I cannot find it on 1990 (L98)??


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We tried. So unless some can determine the electronic differences and some how update the earlier ones, repair the ones we have or build new ones we are SOL.
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Old 02-25-2018   #32
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We tried. So unless some can determine the electronic differences and some how update the earlier ones, repair the ones we have or build new ones we are SOL.
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It would take somebody of -=JEFF=-'s caliber to tear both an early C4's module apart and a 90 ZR-1 module apart to see what the difference is as the form factor is identical. Maybe it's as simple as unpinning a wire or changing a capacitor. This would be a great project for the club to invest in. As Dom states we are all on borrowed time electronically. GC
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Old 02-25-2018   #33
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Default Re: Electronic Spark Module ... future MY 90 Achilles Heel?

It would be better easier to convert to 1991 BIN and knock setup
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Old 02-25-2018   #34
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It would be better easier to convert to 1991 BIN and knock setup
I would have to take your word on that -=JEFF=-
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91 WHITE/BLACK #2014. 380 P&P&PCed,Ported Heads, Jeal Long tubes, Corsa Exhaust/FIKSE FM-5s /LED TLs, LED Headlights, Front Wilwood 6 piston narrowlite calipers and rear Wilwood caliper street shop mod,CNCed Coolant Pipes,TPI Cvr,Filter cover,Stainless Bolts, DRM/DOM PROM /ZFDOC mod build #102,DRLs,BMAD with stainless Debris Screen,Coplan Air Blaster, Pioneer APP Radio 4,Brey-Krause HB,Sub Bar,Fire extinguisher seat mount,DRM Coilovers,LEDs everywhere,Compass mirror (orange),V1 DIC hidden display, Homelink sun visor, Carbon Fiber top x3 and APSIS Carbon Fiber interior, APSIS CF Steering Wheel/NAPA Leather, Banski trailing arms, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension) ZFDoc drive shaft safety loop, raptor shift light (orange),AO engineering louver front plate, Console seat cushion, 96CE seats with black custom Sheepskins, ss billet catch can,Viper remote entry/alarm,Cragar Rear Louvers,LED side louver lights, Dewitts Radiator with SPAL fans and a Woods 160 T-Stat

90 RED/BLACK #2794. 4L60e Automatic Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless Headers, Corsa Exhaust, SAN Secondaries and Haibeck PROM, Exotic Muscle Coil overs, LED Interior Lights, LED Tail Lights, LED Headlights, 94 Sport seats with black custom Sheepskins , Cragar rear louvers, GS Front calipers, Banski Trailing arms, APSIS Carbon Fiber steering wheel, Front and Rear Baer Eradispeeds, DRLs, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension), Dewitt's Raditor with Dual SPAL fans and a Haibeck 170 T-Stat

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Old 03-09-2018   #35
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Did some looking.. you could change the 1990 Calibration to the 1991 Calibration by doing the following:
- Change to the 1991 Knock sensor and add the wire going to the ECM
- Add the 2 wires for the Power Light and Power Input to the ECM
- Simple Relay circuit wired between the new Power wires and the Key and light.
- Add the knock PCB to the MEMCAL
- use a 1991 Definition and BIN file and it should work


** I am assuming the CCM will not complain between 1990-1991, I think the CCM-ECM streams are the same. 1991 adds features on the CCM side, like DAB, Oil level and turn signal chime..

EDIT.. I have not tried this yet
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Default Re: Electronic Spark Module ... future MY 90 Achilles Heel?

FYI

Someone on E-bay has a bunch of the 16080211 Knock sensors for $59.00 each. Claims they are new not used. I just bought one for a spare.

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FYI

Someone on E-bay has a bunch of the 16080211 Knock sensors for $59.00 each. Claims they are new not used. I just bought one for a spare.

John
Good find. I have a spare already hopefully other MY90 owners will consider just in case. GC
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Default Re: Electronic Spark Module ... future MY 90 Achilles Heel?

Altho =Jeff= and I discussed a way of utilizing the 91-95 proms w on-board KS for the 90s.
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Default Re: Electronic Spark Module ... future MY 90 Achilles Heel?

I snagged one for my spares also.
Thanks for the heads-up guys.
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Someone on E-bay has a bunch of the 16080211 Knock sensors for $59.00 each. Claims they are new not used. I just bought one for a spare.

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I snagged one for my spares also.
Thanks for the heads-up guys.
I'd be interested in some better snapshots of what you guys bought and also maybe some 'date code' info. Snapshots on the eBay offering lack much detail.
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