Just saw this on Craigslist, can you say...Black Widow?????

[A1990]

Originally Posted by tccrab

1. 1991 White/Blue 475hp
2. 1991 Black/Black 525 hp
3. 1990 Black/Black 460 hp
4. 1991 Black/Black 500 hp
5. 1993 Ruby/Ruby 475 hp
6. 1992 Red/Black 465 hp
7. 1993 Aqua/Gray 475 hp
8. 1991 White/Gray 475 hp

These are the 8 Black Widows. The others listed in this thread are DRM black painted motors, prepped by Rippie, but not considered a Black Widow.

The DRM 600 was available to anyone that wanted to pay for it. The Widow Maker on the Registry site was named by the original owner and is a 385 and was the first DRM 600 while the Black Widows retained the stock displacement.

The attached document, prepared by the late Jim Van Dorn, details each Black Widow the only time they were together. Ownership has changed, but the VIN is included.

Thanks to Jim for this history. Anyone that has information about current ownership of these cars please PM me.

[USAF Retired]

The Black Widow story is confusing. This BW is for sale on this website, if this is the real thing or a fake?

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/Market...-39900-MN.aspx

[A1990]

Originally Posted by USAF Retired

The Black Widow story is confusing. This BW is for sale on this website, if this is the real thing or a fake?

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/Market...-39900-MN.aspx

That car was named by the original owner as "widow maker 001" and is not considered a black widow. Only the listed 8 are the black widow cars.

[USAF Retired]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[BlackSheepz]

Originally Posted by A1990

These are the 8 Black Widows. The others listed in this thread are DRM black painted motors, prepped by Rippie, but not considered a Black Widow.

The DRM 600 was available to anyone that wanted to pay for it. The Widow Maker on the Registry site was named by the original owner and is a 385 and was the first DRM 600 while the Black Widows retained the stock displacement.

The attached document, prepared by the late Jim Van Dorn, details each Black Widow the only time they were together. Ownership has changed, but the VIN is included.

Thanks to Jim for this history. Anyone that has information about current ownership of these cars please PM me.

Very cool article, thanks for sharing! So what you are saying is that there are many DRM600s out there, but only 8 True Black Widow cars is that correct? (That's what I'm getting out of this thread).

[A1990]

I don't believe the Black Widows were DRM600's. The DRM600 is a 385 cu in motor


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[USAF Retired]

What year or model is considered the most valuable ZR1 ever made? The rarest color or the was there a Car made that is considered the highest value? How would you rank them from say 1 to 5?

[BlackSheepz]

Originally Posted by USAF Retired

What year or model is considered the most valuable ZR1 ever made? The rarest color or the was there a Car made that is considered the highest value? How would you rank them from say 1 to 5?

Super tough question as so many peoples tastes are different.

I personally Love Steel Blue as a color (very rare, only 56 of them as I recall) but not everybody likes that color. I also LOVE Black/Red (171 or so made I think?).

That doesn't make them more valuable over all, just more valuable to me, and only a little as I know what I'd pay for a car in those colors. (FWIW the one i own is Red/Red)

That said, there is only 1 Yellow/Red (94) and 1 Admiral Blue/Red (Also 94). The Yellow/Red is probably an acquired taste so not likely crazy valuable right now but Most people I know love the idea of the Blue/Red. But again, they are only worth what someone is willing to pay, whether in private sale or auction.

Then you have things like the Callaway and Lingenfelter cars, which will be worth more than a base one due to the name associated but the owners won't get crazy money out of them. The 850hp Twin Turbo ZR-1 sold at Gateway Classic cars and or Mecum a year or two ago but as I recall didn't get as amazing a price as you might think. Can't recall what it sold for but I know the conversation was that someone stole it.

If I had to pick MY top 5 cars I'd Personally want? Knowing if they exist or not, money is no option?

1. Black/Red Lingenfelter 415 (although I'd take 368 or 386)
2. Callaway Supernatural Bright Red/Black (body kit is a must)
3. Lingenfelter Twin Turbo ZR-1
4. Black Widow Car Doesn't matter which to me (Actual Black Widow not just DRM600)
5. Probably the Yellow/Red one. Kinda wild, I kinda dig it.

[DRM500RUBYZR-1]

Originally Posted by A1990

I don't believe the Black Widows were DRM600's. The DRM600 is a 385 cu in motor


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Dennis is correct.
The "Black Widow" cars had no lower end work performed increasing displacement, only top-end work to a standard block and crank.
They are, with the exception of the black paint, the same engine described as his DRM500 package.

Marty

[USAF Retired]

How and where could I purchase an original Black Widow ZR1? Whatever became of Doug Rippie? Does he still tune?