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Funracer · 11-25-2014

My 91Z has been on a battery tender in between drives for probably 10 years. Recently unplugged and went for a 3-4 mile drive and pulled into gas station to refill. After fill up car would not start. Loud click in engine compartment each time i turn the key. Someone jumped me and car started.

Drove home and after i got home car started fine. Plugged in the tender overnight and next day started first try. Drove about three miles then left it parked for 4 hours at the golf course. Would not start - heavy clicking no starter engagement. Got jumped went to Autozone bought a new battery. Started first time. Drove home plugged in the tender and started first try the next day.

Thought the new battery fixed it but problem remains. When on the tender it starts normally. After driving a few miles it won't start.

Starter could be out, but why does it start easily when voltage is topped up and not start (solenoid clicks but no engagement) after a short drive? Alternator?

With holidays and work wont be able to troubleshoot for a week or more. Just wondering if anyone is familiar with this issue.

Thanks

GOLDCYLON · 11-25-2014

If I was to guess I would say you need the clutch switch bypass. since you have ruled out the battery

http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread....=clutch+bypass

Bearly Flying · 11-25-2014

Sounds like it might be the Starter Solenoid. Try repeatedly clicking the Starter next time it does it to you. If it is a worn or arced Solenoid contact, they will usually engage after a few repeated tries.

Good New's is if it's the Solenoid, it's only a $3.00 part to replace.

Bad New's is getting at it, means pulling the Plenum.

Funracer · 11-25-2014

It will only start when overvoltage is applied like when on a charger. The starter engages 100 % of the time on first turn of the key in that condition. Once the car is driven and left to its own charging system and battery it will not turn over (click but not engage) 100% of the time.

I will perform the clutch switch bypass before pulling the plenum again.

BigJohn · 11-26-2014

New Battery!
We played that game with a truck at work; turned out to be the battery.

QB93Z · 11-26-2014

I suggest checking the alternator. It sounds like the tender is the only thing charging the battery.

Good Luck.

Jim

Funracer · 11-26-2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by QB93Z

I suggest checking the alternator. It sounds like the tender is the only thing charging the battery.

Good Luck.

Jim

That would seem to be the next thing to check.

GOLDCYLON · 11-26-2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funracer

That would seem to be the next thing to check.

Another thing is to have the "new battery" load tested. Ive seen a few fail that were brand new. Im sure its fine but aonther item to check. Then on to the alternator. However you did not say you saw any under undervoltage issues on the dash while driving the car. Just that it wont start are driving the car so its either you are powering down the battery after driving it and the alternator is not working properly to maintain a charge. If its not the alternator my guess still the clutch bypass. However you have a few items to check first. D

gbrtng · 11-26-2014

Loud click means the solenoid is actuating = pulling in. Sounds like the starter is the culprit, but check the battery terminal voltage when the solenoid is actuated. Should be well over 9 volts - if not, the battery is kaput.

Funracer · 11-26-2014

Sounds like the starter is the culprit,*

How so? If it works on the charger should'nt it also work from the battery if the battery is OK?

Anyway I will get after it in a week or two. I work for UPS so not much free time from now till New Years.

Happy Turkey Day to all tomorrow!

11-25-2014	#1
Funracer Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Shalimar, FL Posts: 192	Starter or something else? My 91Z has been on a battery tender in between drives for probably 10 years. Recently unplugged and went for a 3-4 mile drive and pulled into gas station to refill. After fill up car would not start. Loud click in engine compartment each time i turn the key. Someone jumped me and car started. Drove home and after i got home car started fine. Plugged in the tender overnight and next day started first try. Drove about three miles then left it parked for 4 hours at the golf course. Would not start - heavy clicking no starter engagement. Got jumped went to Autozone bought a new battery. Started first time. Drove home plugged in the tender and started first try the next day. Thought the new battery fixed it but problem remains. When on the tender it starts normally. After driving a few miles it won't start. Starter could be out, but why does it start easily when voltage is topped up and not start (solenoid clicks but no engagement) after a short drive? Alternator? With holidays and work wont be able to troubleshoot for a week or more. Just wondering if anyone is familiar with this issue. Thanks

11-25-2014	#2
GOLDCYLON Join Date: May 2007 Location: Peoria, AZ Posts: 9,154	Re: Starter or something else? If I was to guess I would say you need the clutch switch bypass. since you have ruled out the battery http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread....=clutch+bypass __________________ GOLDCYLON - 91 ZR-1 #2014 GOLDCYLON - 90 ZR-1 #2794, 4L60e (Formerly Schrade's) GOLDCYLON - 11 CTS-V Arizona State Director 91 WHITE/BLACK #2014. 380 P&P&PCed,Ported Heads, Jeal Long tubes, Corsa Exhaust/FIKSE FM-5s /LED TLs, LED Headlights, Front Wilwood 6 piston narrowlite calipers and rear Wilwood caliper street shop mod,CNCed Coolant Pipes,TPI Cvr,Filter cover,Stainless Bolts, DRM/DOM PROM /ZFDOC mod build #102,DRLs,BMAD with stainless Debris Screen,Coplan Air Blaster, Pioneer APP Radio 4,Brey-Krause HB,Sub Bar,Fire extinguisher seat mount,DRM Coilovers,LEDs everywhere,Compass mirror (orange),V1 DIC hidden display, Homelink sun visor, Carbon Fiber top x3 and APSIS Carbon Fiber interior, APSIS CF Steering Wheel/NAPA Leather, Banski trailing arms, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension) ZFDoc drive shaft safety loop, raptor shift light (orange),AO engineering louver front plate, Console seat cushion, 96CE seats with black custom Sheepskins, ss billet catch can,Viper remote entry/alarm,Cragar Rear Louvers,LED side louver lights, Dewitts Radiator with SPAL fans and a Woods 160 T-Stat 90 RED/BLACK #2794. 4L60e Automatic Stage V by RPM Transmission, TCI Dedicated TCM, OBX Stainless Headers, Corsa Exhaust, SAN Secondaries and Haibeck PROM, Exotic Muscle Coil overs, LED Interior Lights, LED Tail Lights, LED Headlights, 94 Sport seats with black custom Sheepskins , Cragar rear louvers, GS Front calipers, Banski Trailing arms, APSIS Carbon Fiber steering wheel, Front and Rear Baer Eradispeeds, DRLs, Guldstrand front suspension,urethane bushings from Prothane (total suspension), Dewitt's Raditor with Dual SPAL fans and a Haibeck 170 T-Stat 11 RED/GREY CTS-V Last edited by GOLDCYLON; 11-25-2014 at 05:35 PM.

11-25-2014	#3
Bearly Flying Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Ponoka, Alberta, Canada Posts: 158	Re: Starter or something else? Sounds like it might be the Starter Solenoid. Try repeatedly clicking the Starter next time it does it to you. If it is a worn or arced Solenoid contact, they will usually engage after a few repeated tries. Good New's is if it's the Solenoid, it's only a $3.00 part to replace. Bad New's is getting at it, means pulling the Plenum. __________________ 91 ZR-1 Arctic White/Gray 01 C-5 Magnetic Red/Black 85 FJ 1100 (Big Bore kit, Hooligan Bike) 05 FJR 1300 Yamaha (Long Distance, Sport Touring) And a whole whack of RC Planes

11-25-2014	#4
Funracer Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Shalimar, FL Posts: 192	Re: Starter or something else? It will only start when overvoltage is applied like when on a charger. The starter engages 100 % of the time on first turn of the key in that condition. Once the car is driven and left to its own charging system and battery it will not turn over (click but not engage) 100% of the time. I will perform the clutch switch bypass before pulling the plenum again.

11-26-2014	#5
BigJohn Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ledyard,CT Posts: 8,084	Re: Starter or something else? New Battery! We played that game with a truck at work; turned out to be the battery.

11-26-2014	#6
QB93Z Join Date: May 2007 Location: Westminster, Maryland Posts: 3,687	Re: Starter or something else? I suggest checking the alternator. It sounds like the tender is the only thing charging the battery. Good Luck. Jim __________________ If it isn't fun, you aren't doing it right! 1990 Black ZR-1 - sold 1993 Quasar Blue ZR-1 1994 Competition Yellow ZR-1 1995 Dark Purple ZR-1 Maryland State Coordinator WAZOO Member

11-26-2014	#9
gbrtng Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Antonio area Posts: 1,179	Re: Starter or something else? Loud click means the solenoid is actuating = pulling in. Sounds like the starter is the culprit, but check the battery terminal voltage when the solenoid is actuated. Should be well over 9 volts - if not, the battery is kaput. __________________ “Buy the best example of what you want, and pay whatever it takes. That way, you cry only once.” ~ Bruce Meyer