Rut Roh E-15 soon

[John Boothby]

Also, regarding the Keystone pipeling that everyone is histerical about, it is a Canadian company that wants to build this pipeling across the breadth of the US from north to south, across our breadbasket, so that it can pump shale oil from Canada to Houston where it will be refined and exported overseas. It will not help the USA one iota!! And, it has the potential of leaking and polluting OUR soil!!

[efnfast]

How 'bout something other than gasoline. Think we can't do that? 'Coarse the oil companies won't let that happen. It's amazing what you can do with money. And who you can buy.
Jeeze John, in '66 I was two.

[John Boothby]

I hear ya. I am all for alternative fuels! Ethonol has it's merits, but I cannot see givin up my JD!! Just jokin!!

Yes, big money and big business has kinda distroyed this country. I remember mom & pop businesses like hardware stores and grocery stores and clothing stores and service stations and parts stores and hamberger/hot dog stands etc etc. My father had a Shell station for years. Then a large box store opened up next to his business and Shell sold them their products for less then my father could buy them from the company. So, folks would buy their oil and filters from the box store and come over to my dad's station and want him to change their oil. Then they would complain if he charged them a couple of bucks to do it!! Remember, back then we did not charge labor to change oil, just the cost of the oil and filter!! They basically put him out of business. After years of being a dedicated shell dealer, the company crapped on him and could have cared less!! Yes, I am bitter and hate big business AND the oil companies!! Sorry for the rant. I will now shut up.

[phrogs]

I wonder how you would see okinawa now that they drive on the wrong side of the road? It was funny having a LH drive vette over there when I was on OKI driving on the LH side of the road.

Originally Posted by John Boothby

Yea, I firmly believe that Big Oil has conspired to keep extended milage technology out of the main stream production vehicles.

I was stationed on Okinawa in 1966-67 and remember Honda had a small sports car kinda like the MG Miget or sprite that was chain drive and had a motorcycle engine. It could not be imported into the US due the prevailing safety standards. Also, I remember when the Civic was introduced into the US. It was so small and cheaply built it was a joke. But, it did get 50 or more mpg! And it did sell.

All politics aside, the US only has 2% of the world's oil reserves and consumes 20% of the world's supply. So, does'nt common sense say that drill-baby-drill will not solve our problem? It might solve the short term, but what about long term?

[FU]

Well I was hoping to discuss the effects of E15 on our ZR1 fuel systems. Hopefully E15 will be easy on the ZR1's fuel system. Or will is there enough ethanol to start effecting the later model LT5 injectors ?Will the increased ethanol start to effect (gulp) the metal ie: gas tank , fuel lines pumps etc. ? Time will tell , lets keep our finger's crossed.

Maybe this should be moved to the Tech section ?

[John Boothby]

Have they started putting ethenol in the high test gasoline yet? I would think that if you have converted over to the stainless injectors it will not hurt these.

As for Okinawa, I imagine a lot has changed since we gave it back. When I was there the military (US) ran the island with an elected local governor. A MP had to patrol with a Ryukian cop as a partner. And yes, we drove on the right side.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by FU2

Well I was hoping to discuss the effects of E15 on our ZR1 fuel systems. Hopefully E15 will be easy on the ZR1's fuel system. Or will is there enough ethanol to start effecting the later model LT5 injectors ?Will the increased ethanol start to effect (gulp) the metal ie: gas tank , fuel lines pumps etc. ? Time will tell , lets keep our finger's crossed.

Maybe this should be moved to the Tech section ?

i read on...i think team zr-1...that any car before 2002ish will have to have the entire fuel system replaced to run e15

[John Boothby]

I Googled E85 and came up with some interesting facts in Wikipedia. It has a very long article on E85 along with many links for further reading.

The main things that I read were: Ethonol has a higher effective octane than gasoline and runs cooler than gasoline and is used in high performance turbocharged engines to produce more power. Ethonol has a lower energy output (needs high compression to get the optimal energy) than gasoline and therefore produces fewer mpg than gasoline. Ethonol is most effective in high compression engines. The use of gasoline in engines designed for ethonol only, can cause catastrophic failure (due to the higher compression). The use of E85 in engines not designed for this fuel can cause loss of power and lower mpg (due, I imagine, to lower compression). In addition, it stated that the chemical makeup of ethonol can cause increased wear and early failure. This last issue is what concerns me the most.

[DaveK]

Keystone is a "Canadian" Company but like so many of these companies, the actual ownership is traced to shareholders in many countries. It isn't working for Canadian interests any more than it is U.S. interests. The only interests it cares about are those of the undoubtedly already rich shareholders and it spends a lot of money buying 'friends' where it needs them.

The Keystone project doesn't help Canadian interests, it simply makes it easy to ship mineral resources (and wealth) out of the country. It doesn't help U.S. interests because the oil that is pumped out of Canada will not go to the U.S. to lower prices there or lower the U.S. dependence on foreign oil. In fact i is likely to push up the price of oil in certain areas. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46689167.../#.T4Gu0tmzlVO

As for E15, the 'greens' don't want it and don't support it. Again this is as a result of vested interests buying a decision that benefits them personally at the expense of both the guy on the street and the environment. http://www.allstate.com/insurance-in...800658540.aspx

From what I see the biggest threat we have to worry about is the very rich entrenched interests that push their self-serving goals through by buying the influence they need to get it done regardless of what that means to everyone else. This has always happened of course, but the scale in operation now is immense.

Beware the FUD.

[John Boothby]

I hear ya!! Hit the nail on the head!