OBX Headers?

[todesengel]

Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON

I concur with Polo-1's Whine post/ my complain post/ whatever label you want to put on it. Im running Jeal coated headers And dont regret the decsion. All im saying here is an alternative for those who dont want to pay $1200. I hope they work out for them. My son's pair work and look great. Your mileage may vary and glad to hear another vendor is supporting the LT5

We will just have to agree to disagree.

When I ran a shop I was constantly called by people who could barely speak english, trying to get me to send parts we fabricated to China, or what turned out to be, an importer in L.A. who dealt specifically with automobile parts imported from China.

It is disgusting to me that a person, or company can put countless hours into creating a new product, then have profits stripped from them for their work because someone sends their product to be "knocked off". Every product that company sells is knocked off of someone's hard work while they undercut the market with their cheap crap.

This is not a rant directed at you just a rant in general. I hardly doubt that anyone on this forum would appreciate the same done to them.

market competition is one thing, "knock-off's" are something entirely different.

[GOLDCYLON]

Originally Posted by todesengel

We will just have to agree to disagree.

When I ran a shop I was constantly called by people who could barely speak english, trying to get me to send parts we fabricated to China, or what turned out to be, an importer in L.A. who dealt specifically with automobile parts imported from China.

It is disgusting to me that a person, or company can put countless hours into creating a new product, then have profits stripped from them for their work because someone sends their product to be "knocked off". Every product that company sells is knocked off of someone's hard work while they undercut the market with their cheap crap.

This is not a rant directed at you just a rant in general. I hardly doubt that anyone on this forum would appreciate the same done to them.

market competition is one thing, "knock-off's" are something entirely different.

Concur we agree to disagree. You are making bold assumptions as to what was "done" How is this different than the current knockoffs of the Jeal header molds being used that were orginally made in England? Opinions are like Axles, everyone has one. GC

[todesengel]

Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON

Concur we agree to disagree. You are making bold assumptions as to what was "done" How is this different than the current knockoffs of the Jeal header molds being used that were orginally made in England? Opinions are like Axles, everyone has one. GC

You're right, I do assume these have been knocked off from an existing set, but I have past personal experience that makes me believe so. I have yet to see anything for the USDM market that came from China, that is NOT knocked off of an existing, or previously made item.


I didn't defend any knockoff.

Your reference to axles is just what my original point was before this all expanded. I am as entitled to my opinion as much as the next guy, especially when someone asks for an opinion.

threads like this are exactly the reason I quit posting on forums not long ago (too much time invested in defending ones opinion when asked for it), and will be doing so again shortly.

[GOLDCYLON]

Originally Posted by todesengel

You're right, I do assume these have been knocked off from an existing set, but I have past personal experience that makes me believe so. I have yet to see anything for the USDM market that came from China, that is NOT knocked off of an existing, or previously made item.

Its an assumption just the same. However why choose to knock a vendor when you have zero proof and just an assumption? Based upon your opinion?

Originally Posted by todesengel

I didn't defend any knockoff.

Who said you did?

Originally Posted by todesengel

Your reference to axles is just what my original point was before this all expanded. I am as entitled to my opinion as much as the next guy, especially when someone asks for an opinion.

Your opinion has been noted. Give up trying to convince me yours is more valid based upon simply you have an opinon. My original post was to the OP. My opinion is some people complain just to complain. Nuf said

Originally Posted by todesengel

threads like this are exactly the reason I quit posting on forums not long ago (too much time invested in defending ones opinion when asked for it), and will be doing so again shortly.

Well Ok then.

[todesengel]

Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON

Its an assumption just the same. However why choose to knock a vendor when you have zero proof and just an assumption? Based upon your opinion?



Who said you did?

Your opinion has been noted. Give up trying to convince me yours is more valid based upon simply you have an opinon. My original post was to the OP. My opinion is some people complain just to complain. Nuf said



Well Ok then.

This is great! You come on here swinging your bat, trying to diminish other peoples opinions because they do not conform to your own, then you want to turn the tables to make it appear I am trying to convince you?

You implied I was somehow defending one knockoff over another by bringing jeal copies into the conversation. I only spoke about the china crapola.

I have more than my opinion, I have been directly contacted by representatives of companies inquiring about parts to be knocked off. Apparently you missed that part of my post.

I knock a vendor based on the fact that their track history is junk. Personal firsthand experience rewelding, and reinforcing customers cracked manifolds for them. I have also had the pleasure of sending turbos off to be rebuilt after slag broke loose from inside of these same manifold, and wrecked their turbochargers.

The very fact that in their fleabay hawkings they put hks in the title of the knockoff they are selling because, with exception to quality, it is an exact duplicate of their item.

If you, your son, or anyone else wants to put a part like that on your car, go for it. I wish you all the best of luck.

Once again, here you are in the thread trying to demean other people as whiners, complainers, or whatever you want to call it. Funny how discussions always resort to some type of personal attack or another.

I guarantee you I have more first hand experience with their products than you ever have. representatives from their companies, and their importers. installation of their parts, and reinforcing them.

if you want pictures of theirs, what I had to do to support/fix them, or my own fabricated parts I am sure I can dig some up from my external drive and post them.

[GOLDCYLON]

Originally Posted by todesengel

This is great! You come on here swinging your bat, trying to diminish other peoples opinions because they do not conform to your own, then you want to turn the tables to make it appear I am trying to convince you?

We disagree move on as for the bat comment you are way off center

Originally Posted by todesengel

You implied I was somehow defending one knockoff over another by bringing jeal copies into the conversation. I only spoke about the china crapola.

I never said you defended anything and your opinion is I implied I did. I ask how does one knockoff as you call it differ from the other? Other than anything made from China is crap. Got it. move on

Originally Posted by todesengel

I have more than my opinion, I have been directly contacted by representatives of companies inquiring about parts to be knocked off. Apparently you missed that part of my post.

I read it got it. Almost like my cousins sisters brother told me something once. Great got it.

Originally Posted by todesengel

I knock a vendor based on the fact that their track history is junk. Personal firsthand experience rewelding, and reinforcing customers cracked manifolds for them. I have also had the pleasure of sending turbos off to be rebuilt after slag broke loose from inside of these same manifold, and wrecked their turbochargers.

Valid information however is this based on your opnion with OBX headers for the LT5? Well I doubt it because everything made in China is crap right? Got it

Originally Posted by todesengel

The very fact that in their fleabay hawkings they put hks in the title of the knockoff they are selling because, with exception to quality, it is an exact duplicate of their item.

See my above post... Do you work for Stainless Works by chance? Or another vendor that make headers?

Originally Posted by todesengel

If you, your son, or anyone else wants to put a part like that on your car, go for it. I wish you all the best of luck.

Thanks for reminding me I live in America and can do what I wish. Its amazing I spent 28 years in the Military and two combat tours in Iraq to defend "your" ability to too have an opnion and everybody else. How many times do I need to say I have your opinion on Chinese made products?

Originally Posted by todesengel

Once again, here you are in the thread trying to demean other people as whiners, complainers, or whatever you want to call it. Funny how discussions always resort to some type of personal attack or another.

Some people just complain to complain. Nuff said, How you feel this is personally demeaned you is unfounded. Its not about you. I was agreeing about a post of another forum member "polo-1" not you

Originally Posted by todesengel

I guarantee you I have more first hand experience with their products than you ever have. representatives from their companies, and their importers. installation of their parts, and reinforcing them.

Great who cares? I dont. Its all your opinion. I dont need your life history, It sounds like you have a wealth of exprience on imports. Great. Do you even own an LT5? Where do you think a lot of the replacement parts come from already especially aftermarket for the Corvette. From the global economy. Its great to see alternatives from other resources

Originally Posted by todesengel

if you want pictures of theirs, what I had to do to support/fix them, or my own fabricated parts I am sure I can dig some up from my external drive and post them.

No thanks. Your opinion is noted. Got it move on. Nobody is attacking you. My Original Post was to the Original Poster in post #1 as to my actual experience with OBX in which I had no issues. I also said some folks just complain to complain in agreement with Polo-1 and then you choose to chime in. Got it you hate Chinese products based upon your experience with inferior products. WE GOT IT. This is not about YOU or your opinion

[todesengel]

Great who cares? I dont. Its all your opinion. I dont need your life history, It sounds like you have a wealth of exprience on imports.

German trans, english designed engine, I think that would qualify a lot of people on the forums here with the same, don't you think?

Do you even own an LT5?

Nope, but I did stay at a holiday inn lastnight

I read it got it. Almost like my cousins sisters brother told me something once. Great got it.

Because the op asked for opinions, I was trying to share first hand accounts, and that experience is not pertinent somehow to his questions because it doesn't align with your thought process. Crystal

Valid information however is this based on your opnion with OBX headers for the LT5? Well I doubt it because everything made in China is crap right? Got it

Not really, I hear they make really good copies of Russian weapons, American guidance systems, and Japanese driveline

See my above post... Do you work for Stainless Works by chance? Or another vendor that make headers?

you caught me. I earn my living making headers for a niche car that was made in limited numbers. If I can only sell a set to the last 200 or so owners who do not have them on their car yet I can finally retire.


[QUOTE]Thanks for reminding me I live in America and can do what I wish. Its amazing I spent 28 years in the Military and two combat tours in Iraq to defend "your" ability to too have an opnion and everybody else. How many times do I need to say I have your opinion on Chinese made products?

[QUOTE]Thanks for reminding me I live in America and can do what I wish. Its amazing I spent 28 years in the Military and two combat tours in Iraq to defend "your" ability to too have an opnion and everybody else. How many times do I need to say I have your opinion on Chinese made products?


[QUOTE] Thanks for reminding me I live in America and can do what I wish. Its amazing I spent 28 years in the Military and two combat tours in Iraq to defend "your" ability to too have an opnion and everybody else. How many times do I need to say I have your opinion on Chinese made products?

Thanks for reminding me I live in America and can do what I wish. Its amazing I spent 28 years in the Military and two combat tours in Iraq to defend "your" ability to too have an opnion and everybody else. How many times do I need to say I have your opinion on Chinese made products?

I'll buy you a beer for your service, but I hardly think you have a monopoly on this. Last I heard there was a couple hundred thousand of us who could pretty much say the same thing.

Some people just complain to complain. Nuff said, How you feel this is personally demeaned you is unfounded. Its not about you. I was agreeing about a post of another forum member "polo-1" not you

Labels, labels. People are content with putting others under one if they happen to disagree with their opinion on something.

No thanks. Your opinion is noted. Got it move on. Nobody is attacking you. My Original Post was to the Original Poster in post #1 as to my actual experience with OBX in which I had no issues. I also said some folks just complain to complain in agreement with Polo-1 and then you choose to chime in. Got it you hate Chinese products based upon your experience with inferior products. WE GOT IT. This is not about YOU or your opinion

Funny thing about forums is that replies are read by all, not just the op, or any other individual poster. When you throw generic labels out there, and lump anyone who disagrees with you into a group you are opening yourself up to a response.


As much as I would like to sit here all day and banter back and forth, I have to go to my hobby shop and start on another project. Maybe when this one is done I can sent some of my parts to the peoples republic of china and have them upgraded by peasant labor as well.

[Pete]

Easy there boys.

I think someone that experienced a product and had issues with it ,it's good to post up,nothing wrong with that.

Heck Jeal made killer headers but sh!tty cams,if the first guy came on here and posted there experience with Jeal cams, i wouldn't had to find out the hardway myself and a few others.
There are a few people still running Jeal cams and they would probably swear by them.

Remember Santa is watching,so be nice.
Happy Holidays
Pete

[Kb7tif]

These OBX headers will never take the place of a new set of Stainless works and they shouldn't.
But looks like a halfway decent option to paying 1200+ headers. These would be great for getting some extra oomph from that just purchased daily driver. If I had just did a stoke job or engine upgrade another 1200 is nothing.

[mgbrv8]

As I stoop under the fire fight. I have a little off topic question, as I was removing my factory headers off the car I looked into the back side of each. I noticed that the drivers side headers catalytic converter was melted in the middle. Now would this be a sign of failing injectors, a failure of the smog system, a tune issue ( my car has a factory tune now but has had a tune on it in the past I believe), or a O2 sensor starting to degrade. It wasn't setting any codes before I tore it down and I had just finish a 10,700 mile road trip in it. Any constructive input would be greatly appriciate. Thank you gentalmen.

Dave