Novel feature on a new Dodge Challenger!

[Tyler Townsley]

10.6 in quarter and 207 MPH in testing.

Tyler

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Fully Vetted

The last Boss 302 (2012?) also had two separate keys. I think they were red and black.

they were

[USAZR1]

Holy Crap,a 4400 pound Camaro!!

[8cam]

A Bugatti Veyron also has two keys but instead of just power, the little key enables "top speed mode" which does all kinds of interesting things. When I flip the power key I just pretend I'm going into top speed mode.

But seriously, that's HUGE horsepower for a production car. FWIW the new Camaro Z/28 is a relative bargain for what you get, but if it's power you're after then the hp wars are really kicking it up a notch - ZL1, GT500 and now the Hellcat. Building a 700hp LT5 will cost you the car plus the purchase price again...these new muscle cars are pretty damn amazing for the price.

[Hog]

Yes the Z/28 is the last car to have that beauty LS7 427 cube engine. Get em while you can.

Z/28 gets you 505hp/481 lb/ft torque SAE "Certified" for $75,700
ZL1 gets you 580hp/556 lb/ft for $56,225. I then built my own with all available options and got the price up to $74,000 for the ZL-1 coupe(including the $6,700 brake options-but didnt click for the $1,400 auto trans option) Chev declares 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, nothing to sneeze at, they declare 3.8 seconds for the Vette Stingray.

In the Veyron, once the car is in "top speed mode" which requires a stop, if you turn the steering wheel over so many degrees, "top speed mode" is exitted.

There certainly are a multitude of ways to spend money.

[Fully Vetted]

I'm very interested to see the direction of the all new Mustang. The coyote engine is one hell of an engine. And now you can order the new 'Stang with line lock. But, until then, I'll take a new Z/28...

[Bob Eyres]

Yikes! How did did the Camaro pick up a half TON of weight?

All these fabulous H.P. numbers are well and good, but if they don't translate into street performance, so what?
Maybe I'm just not a fan of superchargers because I don't have one. but I'm unimpressed at some of these numbers:

Camaro ZL1 -six speed coupe =12.1@117.4mph

Gee, that looks familiar....oh yeah, I've done that in a twenty year old, naturally aspirated, stock 350c.i. motor, ZR-1.

BTW, about that "power key". I thought it was lame on the ZR-1, and it's still lame.

[8cam]

Originally Posted by Bob Eyres

BTW, about that "power key". I thought it was lame on the ZR-1, and it's still lame.

On a car like the ZR-1 that I would NEVER valet, yeah it's lame. But having a valet function is nice. My wife's car has a valet key that easily separates from the main ignition key, and we use that all the time. It allows us to take our full keyring with us and leave only the ignition with the valet. It also means they can't unlock the trunk or glovebox.

The Challenger will be available with an automatic, so anyone could drive it and it's very valet-able. I think I'd like the idea of keeping the stupid away by chopping off the power and other things like locking the trunk and glovebox.

[Paul Workman]

Originally Posted by Bob Eyres

Yikes! How did did the Camaro pick up a half TON of weight?

All these fabulous H.P. numbers are well and good, but if they don't translate into street performance, so what?
Maybe I'm just not a fan of superchargers because I don't have one. but I'm unimpressed at some of these numbers:

Camaro ZL1 -six speed coupe =12.1@117.4mph

Gee, that looks familiar....oh yeah, I've done that in a twenty year old, naturally aspirated, stock 350c.i. motor, ZR-1.

BTW, about that "power key". I thought it was lame on the ZR-1, and it's still lame.

I believe it was at the 2008 Bowling Green Gathering when I saw Dave McLellan detailing the coming about of the "FULL POWER" key. As some may not know, it had NOTHING to do with Vallets or the like. NOISE qualification testing in California was the concern.

According to Dave, the Corvette engineering knew the CHP (who drove the cars during the drive-by test) would be doing the drive-by test at WOT - at some point. The ZR-1 would not pass the test simulation at GM, which posed a problem because several other states followed California's lead on such tests.

Someone came up with the idea of the power switch that would lock out the secondary port throttles; calling it "normal". The idea was pitched to the CHP was that "nobody" in their right mind would use the full power in traffic! (Gotta remember 375 hp was over 125+ more than most of the contemporary sports cars at that time.) The CHP bought it, and so the "NORMAL, FULL POWER" switch was born. It was the press and marketing that came up with the various names/purposes of the switch - as they tend to do. But, at the root was passing the noise drive-by test imposed by California that would cascade down to other states as well, and NOT worrying about a Vallet taking a joy ride - although it was a plausible reason.

[Bob Eyres]

4Cam, Paul - Good points guys. I stand corrected.

That story about McLellan was one I'd never heard, cool.