Hose Survey - ZR-1 Net Registry Forums

LGAFF · 12-05-2009

Just trying to get a feel for interest so I am not out a few Thousand and have a garage full of hoses. Host site is safe for the survey, I work for one of the largest ins companies in the world and we use it.

If you are interested or not.....please take the survey....lurkers encouraged to respond. Got a lot of orders from new folks...on the 91-95 Emblems

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/YZZQQZY

bdw18_123 · 12-05-2009

Done!

VetteMed · 12-05-2009

Done

phrogs · 12-05-2009

ok done.

tomtom72 · 12-06-2009

Done!

I already bought the SAMCO stuff for the coolant and the PCV system. My OE coolant hoses were 16 yrs old when we had a group buy here & I got in on it. The PCV stuff I just changed because the OE stuff was 19 yrs old and I was tired of how loose it fit.

limey · 12-06-2009

Hi Lee,

You need to ask yourself, what is the purpose of manufacturing these hoses. Is it to make a profit, or to supply a product at a low cost to the owner of the ZR-1?

If it's to make a profit, it can be done but........... You'll need to outlay a lot of money up front & then sit on the inventory for many years to sell them piece by piece. You will not see any profits until you look back 3-5 years over your sales history, Look at it this way 400 sets of hoses @ what, lets just say you spend $40.00 per set & that's very low ball, i suspect much more, but lets go $40.00, that's $16k in bloody hoses, you want to spend that kind of money on rubber hoses?

Now, where are you going to store it? In your garage at home? or get a warehouse? the later will cost you money & not to mention all kinds of other financial outlays to go with it. How will you sell 400 sets of hoses, on the forums? You may sell some here and there, but never enough to recoup even 20% of your outlay, what happens if after 12 months of storing the hoses they start to dry rott due to inferior quality. I think i may be safe to say that for anything less than $50.00 for 6 coolant hoses, that these are getting manufactured in China, if so will they replace them under warranty should they start to fail?

You are entering the realization of small production manufacturing & that it takes a long time to recoup your outlay, let alone (Dare i say it) to make a profit. I go through this same debate with my vendors time and time again, huge outlay up front & then wait for a few years for the returns to make it beneficial.

I've sent different companies the following parts to manufacture, but not once has it been even remotely $ responsible to proceed.

Thermostat housing assembly
Coolant crossover tube
Vacuum storage reservoir tank
All secondary vacuum hoses
ZF syncro kits
ZF Tall ratio gears sets
91-95 bumper moldings

As an example, everyone knows i got engine bearings re-made a few years back, you know that to this day, i still haven't made one penny from them, not to mention the additional $11,500.00 i spent having the screw up that the manufacturer made fixed.

If you can get them to lower the qty of hose sets to 100 & pay a bit extra for them, that's the best way to go.

I would tell you it's much better to pay $60.00 per set for 100 hoses than $40.00 per set of 400 hoses, this only applies on low production sales, if the part moves & fits many other applications, then make 400 sets, but we're talking LT5 here not VW Beetles.

I give you my proffessional opinion here as i would hate to see you outlay a bunch of $$$$ and end up siting on 2400 coolant hoses that you can't sell.

Good luck on your decision, i'm here if you need it.

12-05-2009	#1
LGAFF Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Crystal Lake, IL Posts: 7,188	Hose Survey Just trying to get a feel for interest so I am not out a few Thousand and have a garage full of hoses. Host site is safe for the survey, I work for one of the largest ins companies in the world and we use it. If you are interested or not.....please take the survey....lurkers encouraged to respond. Got a lot of orders from new folks...on the 91-95 Emblems http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/YZZQQZY __________________ LGAFF 90 #966-150K miles-sold 92 #234-sold 1987 Callaway TT #17 1991 ZR-1 #1359 Last edited by LGAFF; 12-05-2009 at 02:33 PM.

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bdw18_123 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Prather, CA Posts: 808	Re: Hose Survey Done! __________________ [IMG]http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/bdw18_123/_zr1netforumsigphoto.jpg[/IMG][B] 1990 Corvette ZR-1 [/B][I] White/Flame Red, #2299, mostly stock, 144K miles.[/I] -Cams timed to the '93-'95 405HP LT5 stock timing. -IAT sensor relocated to below front bumper. -Haibeck hoops installed in airduct. -OBX cat-back exhaust. [COLOR=DarkRed][B](SOLD - December 2012 [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=DarkRed][B]:hello:)[/B][/COLOR] 1993 Corvette Coupe Black/Black, 6-speed (SOLD - October 2009 :hello:)

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VetteMed Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,821	Re: Hose Survey Done

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phrogs Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kalamazoo MI Posts: 1,759	Re: Hose Survey ok done. __________________ JOHNNY P Currently own 90 ZR-1 #845 DRM 500 engine package 90 #226 Parts car Hit me up if you need anything.

12-06-2009	#5
tomtom72 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Jacksonville, FL USA Posts: 4,637	Re: Hose Survey Done! I already bought the SAMCO stuff for the coolant and the PCV system. My OE coolant hoses were 16 yrs old when we had a group buy here & I got in on it. The PCV stuff I just changed because the OE stuff was 19 yrs old and I was tired of how loose it fit. __________________ 1990 ZR-1, Black/grey, #2233, stock. ZR-1 Net Reg Founding Member #316 & NCM member

12-06-2009	#6
limey Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: tampa Posts: 538	Re: Hose Survey Hi Lee, You need to ask yourself, what is the purpose of manufacturing these hoses. Is it to make a profit, or to supply a product at a low cost to the owner of the ZR-1? If it's to make a profit, it can be done but........... You'll need to outlay a lot of money up front & then sit on the inventory for many years to sell them piece by piece. You will not see any profits until you look back 3-5 years over your sales history, Look at it this way 400 sets of hoses @ what, lets just say you spend $40.00 per set & that's very low ball, i suspect much more, but lets go $40.00, that's $16k in bloody hoses, you want to spend that kind of money on rubber hoses? Now, where are you going to store it? In your garage at home? or get a warehouse? the later will cost you money & not to mention all kinds of other financial outlays to go with it. How will you sell 400 sets of hoses, on the forums? You may sell some here and there, but never enough to recoup even 20% of your outlay, what happens if after 12 months of storing the hoses they start to dry rott due to inferior quality. I think i may be safe to say that for anything less than $50.00 for 6 coolant hoses, that these are getting manufactured in China, if so will they replace them under warranty should they start to fail? You are entering the realization of small production manufacturing & that it takes a long time to recoup your outlay, let alone (Dare i say it) to make a profit. I go through this same debate with my vendors time and time again, huge outlay up front & then wait for a few years for the returns to make it beneficial. I've sent different companies the following parts to manufacture, but not once has it been even remotely $ responsible to proceed. Thermostat housing assembly Coolant crossover tube Vacuum storage reservoir tank All secondary vacuum hoses ZF syncro kits ZF Tall ratio gears sets 91-95 bumper moldings As an example, everyone knows i got engine bearings re-made a few years back, you know that to this day, i still haven't made one penny from them, not to mention the additional $11,500.00 i spent having the screw up that the manufacturer made fixed. If you can get them to lower the qty of hose sets to 100 & pay a bit extra for them, that's the best way to go. I would tell you it's much better to pay $60.00 per set for 100 hoses than $40.00 per set of 400 hoses, this only applies on low production sales, if the part moves & fits many other applications, then make 400 sets, but we're talking LT5 here not VW Beetles. I give you my proffessional opinion here as i would hate to see you outlay a bunch of $$$$ and end up siting on 2400 coolant hoses that you can't sell. Good luck on your decision, i'm here if you need it.