Fascinating F1 power technology

[XfireZ51]

http://youtu.be/HETsUIcRLGo

[Hog]

4 months from the start of the 2014 season. Ferrari
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJQF2NBw0MA


5 engines per season
100kg fuel=220 lbs of fuel per race
Lets assume 1kg of fuel equals 1 liter for maths sake (liter of pure water equals exactly 1 kg, ahh the marvels of the metric system) thats about 100 liters of fuel per race.

That is exactly the same amount of fuel my pickup trucks take from a dead dry state, I can get 600-700 kms from that fuel on normal unloaded driving.
However 1/2 of that fuel can be consumed in 27 1/4 mile WOT passes and thats with a 350 cube engine, max revs 5800rpm.

SImply amazing tech. in F1, but I admit the energy recovery systems are kind of lame from a certain aspect, but then again these systems are what we need for everyday vehicles. I understand why they are going in this direction, plus there is more sponsorship opportunities as well.

[scottfab]

wow lots of rules changes in one year.

[mgg]

I miss the real F1 engine sounds. These new motors sound like a Subaru WRX with a plug wire disconnected. Yuch. Very disappointed. SHowing my age but I prefer huge rear tires, big FN wings bag the "curs" system. MOst importantly, I want to watch a race not fuel economy contest. NOt happy about the way things are going in the racing world. To add insult to injury, how is it possible to screw up trying to find IMSA ( ALMS) UNited sports car or whatever it is now called on TV. The TV coverage lasted about two hours and half of it was under caution. The streaming was so bad I could not watch due to buffering every ten seconds.
I respectfully have to disagree with finding this power fascinating. It reminds of how people actually have been convinced the diesel powered race cars are now so superior to petrol power. If the rules were not changed to allow the diesel cars huge advantages it would be a different story. I di not think racing should be a social statement. It is racing. The fastest guy wins. Screw fuel economy. That's what was so great about Can-am. Minimal rules. Just my two cents.

[John Boothby]

Racing in the "old" days, (up through the 50"s) were mainly indepentant's building their own car's or modifing other's. When manufacturer's started getting involved racing became a testing ground for new technology and to promote their brand.

That is the way I see it.

[Mystic ZR-1]

F1 is kinda like soccer in the US, no one cares...
I "appreciate" it, the high tech is just that, but the racing stinks.
And Bernie Ecclestone???
I hate to say this, but Indycar
now has the best racing. But it's far from perfect and it's a "spec" series.
The Indy 500 is still the Granddaddy of them all despite their
efforts to screw it up...
Nothing like the old CanAm! Only rules had to do with safety...

[XfireZ51]

Originally Posted by Mystic ZR-1

F1 is kinda like soccer in the US, no one cares...
I "appreciate" it, the high tech is just that, but the racing stinks.
And Bernie Ecclestone???
I hate to say this, but Indycar
now has the best racing. But it's far from perfect and it's a "spec" series.
The Indy 500 is still the Granddaddy of them all despite their
efforts to screw it up...
Nothing like the old CanAm! Only rules had to do with safety...

You can't be serious!! Indycar is NASCAR with open wheels. I'm not a huge fan of F1 but the Indycar comparison is absurd.
BTW, LOTS of people care about football, real football in the USoA.
MLS has the third highest per game attendance of any American sports league. English Premier League ratings are rapidly increasing on NBCSN.
If you haven't been to an International game or competition, let me recommend you should.

[scottfab]

Originally Posted by XfireZ51

You can't be serious!! Indycar is NASCAR with open wheels. I'm not a huge fan of F1 but the Indycar comparison is absurd.
BTW, LOTS of people care about football, real football in the USoA.
MLS has the third highest per game attendance of any American sports league. English Premier League ratings are rapidly increasing on NBCSN.
If you haven't been to an International game or competition, let me recommend you should.

This is one of those times that I must say " I disagree". Hope I don't rile the natives with that statement
I'm pretty sure there is a bit of difference between Indy and NASCAR.
The biggest difference being, one of them goes fast and turns left most the time. (what two road tracks in NASCAR?)

As for "soccer", never cared for it since like I was 10.
It's origins involved contact with the ball using hands.
Football as we know it, with contact and use of hands evolved
as did several other contact sports (rugby) at the same time that "soccer" went the other way and put rules in place to eliminate the use of hands. Soccer is to Football what badminton is to tennis.
It was when the British got hold of the game that hands
were disallowed. Can't cotton to any game where you can't use
your hands. That's be like having an F1 rule that says you can't use
front wheels. (but that could be next in F1)

All in all I see F1 racing as not only a competition of drivers but of design and ingenuity. I say fine to the new rules not just as a platform for innovation that finds it's way to the consumers but as a challenge to all mankind (big vendors) with a kind of "what would McGyver do" thing.

Evidence shows that electric drive can and does deliver torque better (faster and more controlled) to the wheels. That is really good news for quicker recovery off an apex. The energy recovery systems promise to not only be more efficient but FASTER overall.

[XfireZ51]

Scott,

I'm actually on the side of allowing more a "run what you brung" kind of format. I don't care much for an IROC approach to racing. Having said that, I also believe in "necessity is the mother of invention". Sometimes things need to be forced so I applaud F1 in legislating the change. I'd rather see an objective put out instead of the final solution but...

As for football, the issue was whether anybody cared. The facts show that Americans do care. Whether scottfab cares or likes football wasn't the question.
Origins of football from FIFA :
http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/...e/origins.html

[Hog]

This isnt the 1st time a 6 cylinder has been used in F1. These cars havent used petrol in decades, but using an ICE for racing, is mandatory IMO as well.
The 15,000 rpm limit is limiting, a V10 at 21,000rpm spunds wonderful, but a street V10(Viper) at 5500rpm and lower sounds like a UPS truck with an exhaust manifold leak.

The 80's V6 turbos were making max qualifying power of 675hp at 12,500rpm from the 1988 Honda, the Ferrari made 690hp @12,800rpm but its teh torque that made these early V6's so crazy, eventually leading to their outlaw for the 1989 season leaving the 3.4liter naturally aspirated formula.

2013 2.4l V8-18000rpm rev limit and 2014 V6-turbo 15000rpm , same track a year apart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4Dh_EAfJI

Honda V10 screaming on dyno-The 3.0 liter V19's made between 900-930hp(BMW/Mercedes 930hp, the rest Renault, Honda, Toyota and Ferrari were around 900) For 2006 the 2.4lV6 was introduced, although the older V10 could be used for 2006/2007(with a rev limiter) by teams that couldnt buy the V8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWSt4CDNvgQ


2014 rules explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHmYFlbFn8