NCRS judging

[taximan]

Just finished flight judging my 95 Z yesterday. With our cars starting to creep into the classic car category, I would highly recommend for those of you that are near stock. We have clearly established the pedigree of our cars on the track, now we should be heard on the judging field. It will only increase the legacy of these great cars in all areas of Corvettedom.

Its amazing how many people I came across who had no idea of the significant part our cars have played in the history of Corvette.

I have belonged to NCRS for 22 years, and flight judged 3 different cars. I am in process of going through C4 judging levels.

I know NCRS has a reputation of being filled with a bunch of elitists a$$holes. And believe me, they have some. But in large part its pretty good people looking to preserve the Corvette legacy. Since C4s are now into the judging timeline, the NCRS wants to get more C$ owners into the process, and would like to encourage any ZR1 owners who are interested, to start showing their cars.

Remember, as much as we all like to race and tweek our monster cars, its just as important that we become visible to the ato and overall Corvette community to remind them of the importance of the ZR1, and it willl help enhance resell values of ours cars.

I will be more than happy to help anyone with questions or suggestions. Just post in the NCRS section of this forum.

[Kevin]

this is great for anyone who's interested and I hope those who are do it. But for me, it's not worth it. I've done some ncrs judging schools and while fun, I wouldn't want to be on the other end of it.

[Tyler Townsley]

I judged a 95 at a chapter meet yesterday and even with a powder coated top end, cam covers up and stainless steel bolts it scored a top flight. The way the scoring is set up the parts were original and you could only hit on the finish. Car was just about perfect in all other categories.

Tyler

[taximan]

It was probably my car. Was it at Howey in the Hills ?

[Tyler Townsley]

Originally Posted by taximan

It was probably my car. Was it at Howey in the Hills ?

Yes

[Mystic ZR-1]

Did they happen to mention how many ZR-1s have earned a Top Flight award?
NO ONE at NCRS wants to answer that question...
Can't be that hard?
Thumbs up on your Top Flight!!! Add one to whatever the number is.

[Daniel_Mc]

Originally Posted by taximan

...I know NCRS has a reputation of being filled with a bunch of elitists a$$holes. And believe me, they have some...

That is an understatement to say the least. After the way I was treated at the 2013 Deep South Regional I will never enter a car in a NCRS event again.

Originally Posted by taximan

...But in large part its pretty good people looking to preserve the Corvette legacy...

I have had the pleasure to meet some absolutely outstanding and knowledgeable people over the years in the NCRS. They are passionate about what they do and represent a significant part of the Corvette hobby.

It's more of a business than a club now.

Agreed.

-Daniel

[edram454]

Having been a NCRS member for a number of years, I find it impossible to own a NCRS car and drive it. I am not a guy who drives the heck out of my corvettes but even a little will eventually deteriorate those unreplaceable parts.

One year I studied and practically memorized the 1968, 1969 Judging manual. I wrote to them asking to be tested to judge or helping out on these years. I had a 1969 so I knew the car 100%. They never replied so I would go to shows and see what they would do and how they would judge. One year, when the NCRS winter meet was in cypress gardens, I came across a 1969 350/300 hp without a air pump. the judges were gigging the owner because his car lacked a smog pump... they didnt know that near the end of the production run, if your car was a 350/300hp automatic with air, the factory omitted the smog pump and you can tell since the exhaust manifolds did not have the holes for the a.i.r. system. I knew then that I had more knowledge than the judges.

I then steered away from those types of shows and concentrated more on well detailed but nice driving cars. I prefer modded since they run so much better. Drive your cars. It doesnt have to be alot but enjoy while you are still able to enjoy the ride. I am 55 and soon will be 65 etc... drive it. You wont live forever. remember, the car you painstakingly save, will one day, when you are gone, be in the hands of a tennager doing donuts with it.

edramos. #3028

[XfireZ51]

Originally Posted by edram454

Having been a NCRS member for a number of years, I find it impossible to own a NCRS car and drive it. I am not a guy who drives the heck out of my corvettes but even a little will eventually deteriorate those unreplaceable parts.

One year I studied and practically memorized the 1968, 1969 Judging manual. I wrote to them asking to be tested to judge or helping out on these years. I had a 1969 so I knew the car 100%. They never replied so I would go to shows and see what they would do and how they would judge. One year, when the NCRS winter meet was in cypress gardens, I came across a 1969 350/300 hp without a air pump. the judges were gigging the owner because his car lacked a smog pump... they didnt know that near the end of the production run, if your car was a 350/300hp automatic with air, the factory omitted the smog pump and you can tell since the exhaust manifolds did not have the holes for the a.i.r. system. I knew then that I had more knowledge than the judges.

I then steered away from those types of shows and concentrated more on well detailed but nice driving cars. I prefer modded since they run so much better. Drive your cars. It doesnt have to be alot but enjoy while you are still able to enjoy the ride. I am 55 and soon will be 65 etc... drive it. You wont live forever. remember, the car you painstakingly save, will one day, when you are gone, be in the hands of a tennager doing donuts with it.

edramos. #3028

Ed,

I worked in a GM Assembly plant for 6 years. One of my assignments was in Material Inventory Control. My responsibility was tires, radiators, A/C., Ignition.
My job was to keep the line running. Whatever it took. If we ran out of parts we subd. So cars were built with "incorrect" parts from other compatible models.
Does NCRS consider this. Doubtful.

[taximan]

The very knowledgeable NCRS people (and their are many), and the knowledgeable and practical "NCRS people", are a different category.

I think if people take a deep breath and realize that the judges are supposed to judge on what was "typical" factory production. That doesnt mean factory abnormalities didnt occur. And if they can be proved, the judges usually give the owner the benefit of the doubt. They really do want people to enjoy the hobby, and maybe learn more about their car.

I am always reminded of the day in August of 1991 when I was waiting in line at Corvettes at Carlisle to get a Zora autograph on my hat. In the line signing also was a St. Louis factory worker named "Ernie". Ernie was signing next to Zora. At the same time the Delaware Valley NCRS was hosting a regional judging meet next to the tent. While waiting in the line someone asked Ernie about observing the judging going on next to him. Ernie laughed and said, NO thanks, I tried that, but when I saw judges deducting for screws with the wrong letter on top, I had to leave. Ernie went on to say that in 1962, the last year of the C1, he and others made frequent runs to the local hardware store to get any screws and bolts that they could, because this was the last run of the 1962 Corvette. And he said quality control didnt exist then.