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Don in VT · 10-13-2010

Hi All,

I have had problems with our A/C on our new to us 90 ZR1. The cooling frequently drops out and when I run the diagnostic program I get 09 (low freon). I was never sure how much 134a was in the system so I took it to the shop where I work part time and put it on the A/C charger. We use a very new Robinair 34788 which does it all. We, recovered the 134a, pumped it down, checked for leaks and added a small amount of oil. When we started to fill the system it failed after we added about 7oz. of 134a. We had dialed in a charge of 24oz.
We ran the program 3 times with the same result.
All of the above was done with the engine off as is our std procedure.

I took the ZR home and did the following. with the engine off I used my charging hoses and tried to add another 16oz. The system would not take any 134a at all essentially duplicating the shop results. With my 134a 1 lb can still connected to the low side I rebooted the A/C controller,set the controls to high and started the engine. Immediately the compressor clutch started to cycle and the system began to take the freon. The duct temp dropped like a rock and the system was cooling just fine. I did not run the system very long as I only added about 8 to 10 oz out the the 1 lb can making a total of 15 to 17 oz. in the system.

Here are the questions for the A/C knowledgeable folks,

Why did the charging system fail the freon fill.? It worked fine on the the next car.

Is it necessary for the compressor to be running to put a full 24oz. in the system.? If I go back to the auto charger should we start the motor and the A/C system to complete the charge ?

Any help from the forum would be helpful.

Thanks

Don in VT

secondchance · 10-13-2010

Don,

I am not at all familiar with Robinair. Back in the days of R12, car had to be running and AC on when R12 canister was hooked to low pressure side, I think.
Also, unless your car AC system was modified, 90 model AC was designed for R12. Change to R134a did not happen 'till 93 or 94.

Don in VT · 10-14-2010

Thanks SecondChance for the reply. I did the necessary research and I now understand the problem, fixed the problem and I now have a great running A/C system. If anyone has a similar A/C problem I will be glad to share what I learned with my cooling problems.

An aside here,during the winter I am going to remove the A/C control head and re-solder all the connections. Also I am going to change out the blower motor as well. If done properly these winter projects will help the system even further.

Cheers

Don in VT

10-13-2010	#1
Don in VT Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Fairfax, VT Posts: 203	I there a HVAC doctor in the house Hi All, I have had problems with our A/C on our new to us 90 ZR1. The cooling frequently drops out and when I run the diagnostic program I get 09 (low freon). I was never sure how much 134a was in the system so I took it to the shop where I work part time and put it on the A/C charger. We use a very new Robinair 34788 which does it all. We, recovered the 134a, pumped it down, checked for leaks and added a small amount of oil. When we started to fill the system it failed after we added about 7oz. of 134a. We had dialed in a charge of 24oz. We ran the program 3 times with the same result. All of the above was done with the engine off as is our std procedure. I took the ZR home and did the following. with the engine off I used my charging hoses and tried to add another 16oz. The system would not take any 134a at all essentially duplicating the shop results. With my 134a 1 lb can still connected to the low side I rebooted the A/C controller,set the controls to high and started the engine. Immediately the compressor clutch started to cycle and the system began to take the freon. The duct temp dropped like a rock and the system was cooling just fine. I did not run the system very long as I only added about 8 to 10 oz out the the 1 lb can making a total of 15 to 17 oz. in the system. Here are the questions for the A/C knowledgeable folks, Why did the charging system fail the freon fill.? It worked fine on the the next car. Is it necessary for the compressor to be running to put a full 24oz. in the system.? If I go back to the auto charger should we start the motor and the A/C system to complete the charge ? Any help from the forum would be helpful. Thanks Don in VT

10-13-2010	#2
secondchance Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: McLean, VA Posts: 3,730	Re: I there a HVAC doctor in the house Don, I am not at all familiar with Robinair. Back in the days of R12, car had to be running and AC on when R12 canister was hooked to low pressure side, I think. Also, unless your car AC system was modified, 90 model AC was designed for R12. Change to R134a did not happen 'till 93 or 94.

10-14-2010	#3
Don in VT Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Fairfax, VT Posts: 203	Re: I there a HVAC doctor in the house Thanks SecondChance for the reply. I did the necessary research and I now understand the problem, fixed the problem and I now have a great running A/C system. If anyone has a similar A/C problem I will be glad to share what I learned with my cooling problems. An aside here,during the winter I am going to remove the A/C control head and re-solder all the connections. Also I am going to change out the blower motor as well. If done properly these winter projects will help the system even further. Cheers Don in VT