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Old 12-09-2009   #10
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Default Re: mini zr-1? 4 cam 24 valve 300 hp

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Originally Posted by Aurora40 View Post
Just curious, why do you use the quantifier "better"? A large displacement LS motor is physically smaller than a small-displacement Northstar.

And in the Corvette vs XLR, the base 'vette motor makes 430hp to the XLR's 330hp. The XLR gets worse economy at 15/24 EPA vs 15/25 EPA for the automatic 'vette.

The Northstar block was initially designed for a max displacement of 5.4L (I recall reading this ages ago, I can't back it up with the actual article). If you did the math, that would put it at roughly 390hp. Still a lot less than the 'vette, and presumably fuel economy would drop further.

I fail to see how it's "better" simply because it is OHC or because it uses less "displacement". What is the downside associated with displacement?
You're playing "devils advocate" ain't cha Bob? OK...I'll play along

Isolated anecdotes aside, generally...
  • the flow thru of a 4-valve design is superior to the (practical) two-valve
  • OHV means less valve train weight, allowing for reduced spring tension which relates to less wear for any target peak rpm.
  • The burn characteristics of the pent-roof chamber in the DOHC (e.g. LT5) allows for very fast burn rates which allows compression ratios of 11:1 on 87 octane, and higher (12:1) ratios on 93 octane. Higher compression ratio = better power and efficiency (apparently).
  • Intake and exhaust cam phasing (DOHC) can be independently and dynamically controlled "on the fly" to optimize output/efficiency for any load/rpm circumstances
  • Sustained high rpm operation (again due to simplicity of the valve train) favors the OHC/DOHC in actual practice (but you already know that).

So, from a cubic inch to cubic inch, or hp/volume, or a dynamic load capability point of view, it is hard to argue the virtues of a single cam, push-rod approach as being anything but a little archaic in comparison.

After the 2-valve flow has been optimized, the only door available to the daily-driver, push-rod motor to keep up the horsepower is displacement.

If I give you physical size in favor of the push-rod as a "given", I really don't have to explain further why the OHC/DOHC is a better design, do I? (Jess pullin yer tail a little, Bob )

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