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ghlkal 06-17-2012 10:30 PM

Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
You can check out my concerns about doing this myself, along with a number of great suggestions, here: http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17551

Last Monday, Pete changed the clutch and let me watch :-) Having done this so many times before and having the right tools meant it was a <5 hour job as opposed to the two weeks it would have taken me to fumble around.

Here’s Pete working his magic.
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...lutch_2604.jpg

I’ll post more pics and some more details later. I’m very late giving this ‘shout out’ to Pete so I want to get this posted at least.

The clutch was slipping so bad before that when I pulled off I-294 into Des Plains, the Z took forever to get up to speed from a light. Afterwards, I needed to learn how to drive a clutch again!

Blue Flame Restorations 06-17-2012 11:12 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Pete's DaMan!

rhipsher 06-17-2012 11:58 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Well you know Jeff Flint says it should only take 3 hours from start to finish.;) Sorry I couldn't resist.
God that looks so much easier with a lift. Doing it with jack stands blows.

Paul Workman 06-18-2012 05:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rhipsher (Post 143628)
Well you know Jeff Flint says it should only take 3 hours from start to finish.;) Sorry I couldn't resist.
God that looks so much easier with a lift. Doing it with jack stands blows.

Do you realize Marc Haibeck doesn't have a lift in his shop? Course, he's so skinny he doesn't need jack stands either, for that matter!;)

Last time I spoke to Bill Beudreau (ZFdoc.com), he told me he does it on jack stands as well. (That was over 5 years ago, that is). He described how he uses a floor jack and hooks his ankle over the jack handle and prefers to balance the trans on the standard "cup" on the floor jack. Dang if he wasn't right! But! Gimme a lift every time, thank you!:cheers:

P.

HAWAIIZR-1 06-18-2012 07:31 AM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
There are a bunch of us that have to do this on lying on their back with jack stands. It reminds me of the days when it was so easy to bench press the M21 or M22 Muncies into place. Not the ZF6, that sucker would cave my chest in.........that is one heavy SOB.

ZZZZZR1 06-18-2012 08:48 AM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Couldn't agree more!

Pete is so knowledgable and helpful to all

:cheers:

David

Bob Eyres 06-18-2012 10:33 AM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HAWAIIZR-1 (Post 143635)
There are a bunch of us that have to do this on lying on their back with jack stands. It reminds me of the days when it was so easy to bench press the M21 or M22 Muncies into place. Not the ZF6, that sucker would cave my chest in.........that is one heavy SOB.

And there are some of us that have had the car so long that we used to be able to "bench press" it into place easily. And now?.......fugetaboutit [-X :eek:

mike100 06-18-2012 11:09 AM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Last year when Bill B. rebuilt mine, he said that a lift might actually slow him down since they had the trans r&r down to an exact science with the tools he has. Just takes a couple of extra minutes to get the car on stands.

HAWAIIZR-1 06-18-2012 05:07 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Eyres (Post 143652)
And there are some of us that have had the car so long that we used to be able to "bench press" it into place easily. And now?.......fugetaboutit [-X :eek:

I hear ya. What does a ZF6 weigh anyway? I struggled by myself to get it onto the floor jack...........:confused:

LGAFF 06-18-2012 05:36 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
PITA part:

1)The U joint strap bolts
2)Getting the shifter to clear
3)Upper bolts on the Bell housing


I always have a hard time with the u joint bolts...no dmn room for a wrench

rhipsher 06-18-2012 05:49 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Here's a reminder of doing it with jack stands and balancing the tranny on the floorjack cup.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...utchjob018.jpg
I love this pic. Ryan and Lewis came over to help me work on my car and we ended up working on Lewises car because his tensioner pulley went south. That was the most Texas ZR-1's that have ever been in my driveway.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...970/frr002.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...970/frr001.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...970/frr005.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...970/frr006.jpg

ghlkal 06-18-2012 09:20 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhipsher (Post 143628)
Well you know Jeff Flint says it should only take 3 hours from start to finish.;)

Remember, I was "helping," so that easily cost Pete 2 hours ;)

rhipsher 06-18-2012 09:39 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Pete is a great asset to the ZR-1 community. I hope to meet him and all the gang up there one day. After breaking off an engagement with miss wrong back in 1996 in Park forest Illinois I never thought Id ever have a reason to go back there. Now I do.

ghlkal 06-18-2012 09:53 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Here's what I started with
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...tchjob2586.jpg
stock LT5 Valeo disc and pressure plate, GM bearing [all from Jim J]
beam plates [from Bill B]
Castrol TWS [from BMW dealer :-(]

Getting the Corsa exhaust off took a little longer than Pete thought. The driveshaft and C beam weren't too difficult. It's fun dropping the tranny and getting the shifter out.
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...tchjob2595.jpg
Is it possible to bleed the slave with everything in the way? Wow.

ZZZZZR1 06-18-2012 10:08 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Great picture!

How much for this complete setup?

stock LT5 Valeo disc and pressure plate, GM bearing [all from Jim J]

Who is Jim J?

How quiet was the transmission after the new oil was installed? Notice any difference?

:cheers:

David

ghlkal 06-19-2012 12:46 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZZZZZR1 (Post 143715)
Great picture!

How much for this complete setup?

stock LT5 Valeo disc and pressure plate, GM bearing [all from Jim J]

Who is Jim J?

David, Jim Jandik usually works with LT4 stuff, but has a small stock of LT5 stuff also. http://www.powertorquesystems.com/index.htm Jim has a shop in Iowa and was a big help to me. You can call him at (641) 342-7446


Here's the information he supplied about the "clutch kit:"
I can include the bearing and bushing. Along with a clutch disc alignment tool, that would make a complete clutch kit.
The throw-out bearing would be from INA, the original German manufacturer. Also, I include the GM Performance fluted pilot bushing, as that is what the LT5's & LT4's were built with. All components in the clutch kit are from the original equipment manufacturer (OEM). This is new old stock (NOS).
I have one LT5 pressure plate in my inventory that I bought for a great price....it has a slight cosmetic blem on the aluminum housing. It would not effect the integrity or function of the pressure plate. If I build a kit with this plate, the price is $450.00.

Jim mentioned that he has a small number of very nice LT5 plates available, if anyone is interested.

BigJohn 06-19-2012 12:50 PM

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What's up with all the FORDs????
:confused:

Pete 06-19-2012 01:10 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Glad i could help Gary.

It was nice to meet you Gary.
Hope you make it for Pizza Night with us/FBI guys sometime.

Pete

ghlkal 06-19-2012 06:49 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HAWAIIZR-1 (Post 143635)
It reminds me of the days when it was so easy to bench press the M21 or M22 Muncies into place. Not the ZF6, that sucker would cave my chest in.........that is one heavy SOB.

145 pounds
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...tchjob2596.jpg

I decided against trying the hillbilly trans jack ... http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17567

ghlkal 06-19-2012 09:12 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Old pressure plate on the flywheel
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...tchjob2598.jpg

This doesn't look good ... :mad:
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...tchjob2599.jpg

ghlkal 06-20-2012 03:31 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZZZZZR1 (Post 143715)
How quiet was the transmission after the new oil was installed? Notice any difference?

David, the tranny seemed smooth and quiet before, so I don't notice any difference there. Of course, between the LT5, K&N cones, and Corsa, I might not be able to hear any noise made by the tranny :)


Here's the old clutch disc ... :(
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...tchjob2600.jpg

ghlkal 06-20-2012 08:23 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Once I saw the condition of the pressure plate and clutch disc, I was worried about the flywheel ... my fears were well-founded

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...tchjob2601.jpg

Now, what do I do?

Pete tells me "I have a reconditioned dual-mass flywheel that I'll sell you cheap"

Wow. :handshak:

When I told my son this story later, he said "The guy just happens to have a dual-mass flywheel laying around?!"

Here's the "new" flywheel

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...tchjob2603.jpg

You don't suppose he just took a scotch-brite pad to it, do ya? :p


Well, that's the story. I can't imagine how much it would have cost me (in both time and money) to have this done at my local Corvette specialty shop. Thanks Pete =D>

93RubyZ 06-21-2012 01:25 AM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJohn (Post 143759)
What's up with all the FORDs????
:confused:

They're for restin' tools and floor creepers on... ;)

scottfab 06-22-2012 02:28 PM

Re: Changed the clutch – thanks to Pete P
 
Actually 149lb dry but what's a few lbs.
Glad it went well. It's good that you didn't have
any secondary failures to cause a re-tear down.
Scott

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghlkal (Post 143772)



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