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RHanselman 09-03-2012 08:48 PM

Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
All,

FYI - Corey Henderson and I are working on a joint Turbo Project.

Owner: Ron Bidwell
Car: 1990 ZR-1 with 368 CI and Phase 1 CAM's
Turbo System: Raptor Remote Mount
ECM: Raptor

Car has been delivered to Henderson Performance and work will begin by the end of the month. Engine compression is to be lowered and stock CAM's installed. Jerry's Gaskets will be utilized. Turbo system will be provided by Raptor and modified by Henderson Performance to include a custom Inter-Cooler. A new Raptor ECM will be installed as well.

I will keep you posted with updates as we progress...

Cheers,
Ron Hanselman

gbrtng 09-03-2012 11:28 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
I'll be watching with interest ... Now you need a volunteer with a stock car to outfit.

tf95ZR1 09-04-2012 01:47 AM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Good luck with the project!
Can't wait to see/hear.

Paul Workman 09-04-2012 06:29 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
On the edge of my seat! I may be moving back to Colorado some day, and @ 8550 AMSL, NA really pays a price!

Good luck!

P.

RHanselman 09-04-2012 09:08 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gbrtng (Post 149392)
I'll be watching with interest ... Now you need a volunteer with a stock car to outfit.

Here's the stock motor (twin turbo 4-5 psi) dyno sheet. It was my '91 before lowering the compression...

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/...man/img001.jpg

efnfast 09-05-2012 10:26 AM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Stock motor, 475 hp?

Locobob 09-05-2012 12:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by efnfast (Post 149531)
Stock motor, 475 hp?

Pretty sure he means stock motor with turbo kit.

This looks very interesting. What kind of power are you expecting to get out of this Ron?

USAFPILOT 09-05-2012 02:28 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
think he has a 368 according to the op

RHanselman 09-05-2012 04:23 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by efnfast (Post 149531)
Stock motor, 475 hp?

Stock motor on 4-5 psi of boost...

RHanselman 09-05-2012 04:24 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Locobob (Post 149543)
Pretty sure he means stock motor with turbo kit.

This looks very interesting. What kind of power are you expecting to get out of this Ron?

600+ at the tires. My 374 ci is 613 rwhp on 8 psi

Corbusa 09-05-2012 05:16 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Flood us with info and pictures please..

RHanselman 09-08-2012 09:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbusa (Post 149559)
Flood us with info and pictures please..

That's the plan ;)

RHanselman 09-11-2012 11:47 AM

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Anyone else want to join in the fun? I have 8 Twin Turbo systems remaining. :)

C4Fanatic 09-11-2012 12:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RHanselman (Post 150008)
Anyone else want to join in the fun? I have 8 systems left. :)

After watching your's walk away from me on the beltway, OH HOW I WISH!!! :cheers:

USAFPILOT 09-11-2012 01:10 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
I totally want to do it...save me one...how much power do you expect it to make on a stock LT5. It has to be the most cost efficient way to get big power from an LT5.

GOLDCYLON 09-11-2012 01:18 PM

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Single or twin turbo project Ron? Whats the price point ?

RHanselman 09-11-2012 01:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON (Post 150018)
Single or twin turbo project Ron? Whats the price point ?

Twin...

$10k for the base system.

I also have 18 LT1 Single Turbo systems. I'm going to mod one and then test it on both of my Ruby's. It may be perfect for a stock Z...

Cheers,
RH

RHanselman 09-11-2012 01:25 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by USAFPILOT (Post 150016)
how much power do you expect it to make on a stock LT5.

Look at the dyno sheet above. I believe it's at 5 psi boost.

Just look at the area under the torque curve!

USAFPILOT 09-11-2012 03:15 PM

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damn 10K is still a little too rich formy blood.

RHanselman 09-11-2012 04:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by USAFPILOT (Post 150029)
damn 10K is still a little too rich formy blood.

The Single Turbo would be about half of that...

XfireZ51 09-11-2012 07:19 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Ron,

BTW, I am in Vegas this week, leaving Thursday am. staying at The Paris for conference. Let me know if you can come over for a drink.

Dominic

tf95ZR1 09-11-2012 07:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by XfireZ51 (Post 150036)
Ron,
BTW, I am in Vegas this week, leaving Thursday am. staying at The Paris for conference. Let me know if you can come over for a drink.
Dominic

Dom, I think he's in Dubai or somewhere exotic like that.
Wow, I know the whereabouts of forum members better
than that of my own kids!

RHanselman 09-12-2012 01:23 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Yep, Dubai...

Scheduled to be back on the 27th...

RICKYRJ1 09-12-2012 05:00 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RHanselman (Post 150020)
Twin...

$10k for the base system.

I also have 18 LT1 Single Turbo systems. I'm going to mod one and then test it on both of my Ruby's. It may be perfect for a stock Z...

Cheers,
RH

What does the base system consist of? then also what would be above that if at all? 10k doesnt seem bad for that much power being added and assuming a safe reliable tune. what are you thinking HP #'s on the single set up? Hope this all works out for all parties envolved, it makes a great addition/option to our cars :Eagle:

A1990 09-12-2012 05:06 PM

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I would be that to be a low boost $$$$. You will need to redo your bottom end and lower the compression and while your in there...etc, etc. etc...

Not sure if the $10k includes labor of any kind...

RHanselman 09-12-2012 06:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RICKYRJ1 (Post 150119)
What does the base system consist of? then also what would be above that if at all? 10k doesnt seem bad for that much power being added and assuming a safe reliable tune. what are you thinking HP #'s on the single set up? Hope this all works out for all parties envolved, it makes a great addition/option to our cars :Eagle:

Off the top of my head...

The base system contains:
Stainless Steal Hot and cold pipes (CATs if needed)
Turbo's
Turbo Oiling system
Waste Gate
Blow-Off valve
Electric Harness
Hardware for the above

Options:
Intercooler
Exhaust Tips
Gages
Fuel Pump
Injectors
Raptor ECM
Headers

Right now, only option is to have Corey Henderson install the system. I think Ron said Corey is charging $1700 for the install but I could be a little off... I'll check again

The Single Turbo on a stock car should be around the same HP/TQ numbers as the stock dyno sheet above. Those numbers are from my stock 91 with twins pushing around 4 psi. All for around $5500...

RHanselman 09-12-2012 06:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A1990 (Post 150121)
I would be that to be a low boost $$$$. You will need to redo your bottom end and lower the compression and while your in there...etc, etc. etc...

Not sure if the $10k includes labor of any kind...

Yes, low boost. We think the max boost for a stock engine with the stock ECM should be no more than 5 psi. I believe Mat's car (single turbo on a stock engine) was running 6-8 psi and was getting 550HP but he eventually lost a head gasket. You'll have to ask him the specifics...

$10k does not include labor.

FYI - I'm using the stock crank and rods on my 374. The engine builder said the stock internals would good to 1000 HP. He did however perform some lightening and stress relieving on the rods. I believe all the engine work and parts for my 374 cost around $9500 even with Ron Woods Head Studs. The goal is to eventually up it to 15 psi...

Locobob 09-13-2012 03:10 PM

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Arrrgggg! Really wish I had the money to do this, working and going to school part time isn't leaving me any extra cash to play with. I just love the sound of whooshing turbos!

RHanselman 09-15-2012 01:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locobob (Post 150203)
Arrrgggg! Really wish I had the money to do this, working and going to school part time isn't leaving me any extra cash to play with. I just love the sound of whooshing turbos!

I'm sure we can work out a Lay away plan... ;-)

USAFPILOT 09-15-2012 12:09 PM

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law away sounds good...just lay the turbos in my trunk and I will pay you in a couple years.

RHanselman 09-17-2012 10:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by USAFPILOT (Post 150295)
law away sounds good...just lay the turbos in my trunk and I will pay you in a couple years.

They go under the trunk! ;)

USAFPILOT 09-17-2012 02:20 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
that works for me too

RHanselman 09-17-2012 04:29 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by USAFPILOT (Post 150411)
that works for me too

Give me a call and we'll work out the schedule...

FU 09-17-2012 05:40 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Very happy to see that you hooked up with Corey !

Fully Vetted 09-20-2012 04:08 PM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
I'll be at Corey's getting a dyno tune next Wednesday. Is your car already there? Has he started the work yet?

You know, once you're complete with the 15 lbs of boost we have this little competition here in Texas called the Texas Mile...

RHanselman 09-22-2012 11:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fully Vetted (Post 150757)
I'll be at Corey's getting a dyno tune next Wednesday. Is your car already there? Has he started the work yet?

You know, once you're complete with the 15 lbs of boost we have this little competition here in Texas called the Texas Mile...

No, it's our customers car (Ron Bidwell.) Its a red '90 with a 368. I'm sure Corey will gladly give you the tour...

Fully Vetted 09-22-2012 11:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RHanselman (Post 150990)
No, Our customers car is there. Its a red '90 with a 368. Im sure Corey will gladly give you the tour...


I'll be sure and check it out.

USAFPILOT 11-11-2012 05:49 PM

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so how is that car progressing? If I ever wanted actually do this...would I have to scrap all of my current exhaust system? Its a B&B catback, and SW Long tube headers. Id like to see some pictures of what Corey is doing with that car.

RHanselman 11-12-2012 11:13 AM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by USAFPILOT (Post 154740)
so how is that car progressing? If I ever wanted actually do this...would I have to scrap all of my current exhaust system? Its a B&B catback, and SW Long tube headers. Id like to see some pictures of what Corey is doing with that car.

I haven't checked in a few weeks. Phase One for Ron's car is the engine build. Corey is modifying Ron's 368 for boost. I believe it's still in progress.

You would not scrap anything. You would sell your B&B and then use your headers and CAT's. Your headers may need a little modification but it shouldn't be much. We used the Jeal Headers during design.

I'll ask Corey for Pic's once he starts on the Turbo System.

Cheers,

Hib Halverson 11-12-2012 11:18 AM

Re: Raptor and Henderson Performance
 
Hey Rat...I just happened on this thread and was reading....can you share a little about what the "Raptor ECM".


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