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Getting ready for round 2....applied way too much earlier, we'll see how this application goes!!!
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You have a choice of 2 suppliers that I know of, one mentioned in another TB thread and the other by another member....here they are....
http://www.laddresearch.com/catalogs.../?q=dag%20213q http://www.pontiactripower.com/shop/...ade-sealer-dag or there are other alternatives such as the CRC Brand Dry Moly Lube, also made by other companies as well..... or...another member has used.... http://www.homedepot.com/p/Blaster-5...8-GS/202597501 |
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For those who have an interest to apply dag to your TB, here is the video I watched earlier. I was applying it correctly on the edge of the blades, but applied too much in the bore area and on the blade itself.
I will said this, that it does seal extremely well and you will have a hard time opening the blades after it dries. Just follow the instructions either on the video or whatever instructions you received from whatever vendor. I can see where it will keep the blades closed, but the trick is to apply the correct amount so that no light comes through on the secondary blades. You will need to build those areas up during the process. The dag part of the video comes in around the 4:00 minute mark... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrb6HJRi5iQ |
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Just to give you an idea of what the gap is on my TB with it totally cleaned, here a some pics. Now I know the general rule is to not touch the existing dag on the TB. Well with my cleaning I went over and beyond that rule.....
I reapplied the dag and after very many coatings, I finally sealed one blade inside the bore completely. Again, not the most professional application, but no light is coming through. Since some other members have used the Dry Moly Lube which I also have, I decided to do the other blade with that....two quick coats is not enough, hardly did anything as far as the buildup needed to seal the blade inside the bore to keep the light from shinning through. That being said, I need to spray more coats on the rim of the blade and inside the bore as well to try and get a good buildup of the lube. Problem is it sprays all over, I may try using a tube and just do light easy sprays to see if I can get the coverage I am looking for. Also need to buy some more Brakleen for you know what......lol before next round of dag, notice the light shinning through... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...623_201514.jpg the beginning of dag....again... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...623_201955.jpg looks messy and it is...but it is sealed...I may clean up the blade some... there were a lot of coats needed eliminate the light... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...623_204954.jpg the dry lube on the RS, a much cleaner look, but may take multiple buildups to achieve the same results. if it works just as good, the Brakleen comes out again and will use the dry lube. Anyway I am almost out of dag.... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...623_210351.jpg |
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Today is mostly a continuation of trial & error. Seems like more of my trails are turning into errors......lol It goes that way sometimes.....:dontknow:
Right now my TB secondary blades are "cemented" in the closed position. Part of the instructions for the dag was to leave them in the closed position after application for 24 hours, and then tap on the blades to help get them open and leave them in that position for another 24 hours. What I should have done after applying the dag was to leave them open first and then in the closed position after. I can tell you this, that if you master the technique of applying the dag the correct way, it really seal any leaks. The trick is figuring out the best way to accomplish that task. Back to the Brakleen and removal process....lol and start over, this time trying out the dry moly lube and figuring out the correct process of applying it. Since I already replaced #8 spark plug wire, I am determined to see if I can get an actual ohm reading, despite the testing already performed, which resulted in no reading. I have some thoughts and am in the process of doing them now. I tried one procedure and it did allow me to get a reading which was much higher than the other wires. Still within range, but erratic. So we shall see if this idea works. Painted and cleared the air horn to match the plenum and coolant pipes. So far, so good. Back to the garage to continue on.... inside #8 on the plug side... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...625_131906.jpg some of the crud coming out of #8... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...625_132021.jpg the air horn which was painted in the last few months.... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...625_123727.jpg now repainted again... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...625_125445.jpg and cleared... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...625_125447.jpg http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...625_132324.jpg |
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Some conclusions from earlier......
1-Brake Kleen is your friend....cleaned the TB up again. What I noticed is that the fluid cleans the dag extremely well with little effort. Sure you need a paper towel or two to really remove any film left over. The Dry Moly Lube however IMO appears to be a "heavier" film and lays evenly because it is a spray. It is more "difficult" to remove regardless of the amount of Brake Kleen used. You need to saturate the paper towels and wiped down the bores and blades to really clean things off. So the film laid by the dry moly lube will be more effective when enough coats are applied to prevent any air leaks going through the secondary blades, compared to the dag. Again, this is JMO. If I had more dag, I would experiment more on the drying process as mentioned above to determine if that would be the correct procedure to follow. Also as per instructions with the dag, besides applying to the rim of the blades, you also want to apply (either the dag or the moly lube) to the opposite sides of the blades that open away from the bore. Which would be the front side top half of the secondary blade(s) and the back side bottom half of the blade(s). This way you will have a good buildup of film keeping the blades sealed in the closed position. I could not achieve this with using the dag, again, you just have to find the right technique using either product....These are just my opinions!!! 2-I proceeded with my idea on #8 plug wire. I did get some results getting an actual ohm reading, where before there wasn't one. The results are still not to my liking and I am trying to see if I can improve the reading even more. If so it may prove what I am thinking to be correct. We shall see!!! 3-Walmart and Staples helped me out..... Brake Cleaner is $1.94 per can, much less expensive than other stores... Staples had a sale on their air duster, which comes in handy for quick air needs. My compressor need a redo, so this was a good substitute... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...625_143218.jpg and the TB cleaned once again....lol still have some of the blade to clean.... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...625_143154.jpg |
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Great work. I buy brake clean by the cast when ever there is a sale.That dag sure is a trouble maker. Keep up the good work
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Picking up more Brake Clean in the AM....lol Was trying to think of a way to apply the dry molly lube in an even pattern without getting it all over the TB as I did earlier. I decided that using the tube would be asking for more trouble. So, blue painter's tape to the rescue. With the TB now taped, I can spray normally multiple coats if needed (and they will be needed) lol.... and not have any go onto areas I don't want. I may even tape up part of the bores and see what happens.... Also removed the PCV tubing to give me better access to the IH's. As I intend to mask and just paint them the best that I can. This way they will match the plenum and the coolant outlets. The only main items left to paint would be the cam covers. But I am not ready to take that on at this time, so they will have to wait..... TB taped and read for the dry molly lube...and PCV valves and tubing now removed for paint... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5ec6a50e31.jpg http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...a8b836ab25.jpg |
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Tom,
Curious to know how many times have you said "dag nabbit" during this project? Lol..... Sent from my iPhone using ZR-1 Net Registry |
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Craig,
Too funny....lol I could have said alot more.... The only time I said, "oh sh**" is when the blades were "cemented" closed...lol I will keep them open today when applying the lube.....lol Sent from my SM-G935P using ZR-1 Net Registry mobile app |
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You're doing an awesome job with it and documenting. I have cursed more with the ZR-1 than any other car owned, but still love it. Thanks again for sharing and best wishes. Sent from my iPhone using ZR-1 Net Registry |
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How is the house hunt going? You were thinking about that one house, but no garage...IIRC??? Stayed tuned for later today when the fun begins....running errands now, and waiting for more shade in the front to continue....:) Hopefully get the IH's sprayed with the PCV tubes and the TB coated. Might cover up some of the blades itself to prevent an excessive coating on them. |
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Progress being made....LS IH done....
PCV pipes done... taped and ready to go... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...626_163946.jpg http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...626_164016.jpg the painting process.... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...626_171209.jpg painted and cleared... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...626_172855.jpg turned out halfway decent... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...626_173827.jpg pipes waiting to be cleared.... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...626_173847.jpg now on to the RS IH.....:-D |
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Do you think the new finish will last better than original?
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Late night tape job to be ready for an early AM spray. The RS IH is more challenging because I had used a foam brush on it before to see how it would turn out. Needless to say, not very well as has been posted previously. So I had to use Mineral Spirits and sand paper to remove as much of the paint as possible. This way I can get an overall smooth appearance like the LS. Once I get this done, I can then start to go over everything once again under the plenum and get ready to start putting parts back together. Anxious to see how it looks then!!!
wiped and sanded as best as its going to get!!! http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...626_185636.jpg one less job to do in the AM... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...626_233311.jpg |
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I can only hope that my project comes out as nice as yours. Great tips and tricks. Thanks for asking about house hunting. I decided to cancel on the other home for various reasons. I won't bore you with details on this post, but coincidently I looked a vacant lot today and met with a builder last night. Looking to just build instead so I can at least have a garage for the ZR-1 and Harley and carport for the two daily drivers. Wish me luck...... I have a set of ported injector housings and plenum to start working on. I just have to find the time between house hunting, chores, and touring with the bike and Z. Best wishes and thanks for sharing. :cheers: |
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Hello Craig, I can only hope that my project comes out as nice as you think it will...lol Tough morning for me as I went to paint the RS IH. Did not check the outside temp gauges as I should have before starting to paint. Although it is cool outside, the humidity is @100% right now, not a good time to paint anything. Sprayed the RS and it laid ok until the second coat, then it was downhill from there. Paint was too runny to stick properly. So I stripped it and tried again like a dummy before I realized to check the outside gauges. Needless to say, off came the paint for the second time....lol Will leave like it is, going out to the 74, and not painting anything out there....heater box install today... paint almost stripped after my morning disaster....lol http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...627_085339.jpg Yes, good luck for sure on the house build. Then you can customize your garage to your specs....will catch up with you in a PM.... Just posting what I go through, if it helps someone down the road, then that is a plus.... Have a good day, or night....:) (depending on what the time of day it's there now) |
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Couldn't leave before trying again....humidity dropped....and the paint went on....may need one more coat then clear and be done.....:)
big improvement.....lol http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...627_104819.jpg much more to my liking... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...627_104834.jpg:-D:-D:-D |
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Hi Tom been enjoying reading about all your hard work lot's of ups and downs lot's of learning very interested to see how it all turns out I will have to assemble my throttle body as well
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If all goes well, I'll put the plenum back on Friday. Still thinking about the TB and how to apply the moly lube evenly as mentioned before. Keep thinking about taping most of the bore area, except where the blades close. And taping most of the blade area seems like it may work...for a tight seal. This way the moly lube won't be sprayed allover the inside of the bores... If it doesn't, I have plenty of Brake Clean to start over again....lol Sent from my SM-G935P using ZR-1 Net Registry mobile app |
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Thanks for your thoughts and the reminder about humidity as I have to consider that when painting too. The lots here are smaller than a lot of folks homes in the US so we'll see. Are you going to the 2018 Gathering? I am going to try and you're one of those people that I just have to meet one day. Take care and best wishes. :saluting: |
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Did you have to remove the AC compressor and lines to get the valve cover off the driver's side?
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It would a pleasure to meet you sometime in the future. I am not sure about the Gathering, but will make every effort to attend!!! It sounds like you can take your time and look or build a house that suits your needs. Best of luck in your search... Be safe and stay well!!!:Eagle: Quote:
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Thanks. Going to remove mine to paint. Intake should arrive at extrude hone today.
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Two plus full coats of clear....turned out halfway decent, very happy with the results. You can also notice that in one of the pics part of the cam cover towards the front is also painted. Reason on that was I did try to foam brush the IH and part of the cam cover as seen in previous posts, but that did not work out. So I sprayed those areas to see what the results might be. Not bad, not to my satisfaction either, so when the time comes the covers and that part obviously will be repainted.
second plus coat of clear... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...628_105853.jpg taped removed, notice the front of the cam cover sprayed... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...628_110455.jpg getting ready for reassembly, then on to the TB.... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...628_110501.jpg |
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Just received another delivery, this time 12pt deep sockets in both 1/4" & 3/8" drive. Reason being as when I was concerned about using the SS torx bolts, especially between the runners on both sides of the plenum, if I would be able to secure them properly. I then had ordered the long extension torx kit to eliminate that problem. But now created another with the change in bolts...
I ordered both drive's in the 12pt, not being sure of the width of the shank. As I had thought the 3/8" is too wide and will not fit between those runners. The 1/4" drive fits perfect with the slightest gap between the runner and the socket. Use with a long extension carefully and you wont touch the sides of the runners. Good quality sockets at a reasonable price, now added to the tool box....:-D Got a little bit excited too soon....lol I did not order the correct size socket for the plenum 12pt bolts. I should have measured the heads before ordering, not thinking that the heads (in some cases are larger than the bolt itself) The head of that bolt is a 10mm, even though the bolt is 8mm, just ordered that socket size now in 1/4" drive, so it should fit no problem!!! I still did need the sockets below, as they fit the other 12pt bolts I will be using... all four sockets in 6mm & 8MM... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...628_124625.jpg a better look, now don't have to be concerned about not using the correct socket for the 12pt bolts... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...628_124627.jpg the 1/4" drive socket on the left is the one that fits perfect for those inside plenum (but wrong size) 12pt bolts if that's what you decide to use...now waiting for the 1/4" drive 10mm socket... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...628_124700.jpg |
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Are you sure you want to use them, they look like jewelry!
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Thanks Tom! House hunting can be painful and building even more so, but hoping for the best without too much compromises. Take care and best wishes with this project. If I can make the Gathering it will only be Friday night to Sunday. Sent from my iPhone using ZR-1 Net Registry |
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Doing bits and pieces the last few days. Had my oldest grandson (13 1/2) help me out on the ZR-1 yesterday. It will be his one day, and he is willing and excited to learn. We pulled on the caps off of the coils and lubed below the tower of the coils and very lightly inside the boot with some white grease so removal will be easier in the future when needed. We also noticed that #7 coil wire did not want to "click" back onto the coil tower. Although I have spares, we did an easy fix with the pliers and squeezed the clamp on the inside of the coil boot from the outside, which resulted in a nice tight attachment. Moving on to the spark plug wire boots, we moved the paper out of the spark plug holes and shot some compressed air into them to remove any dust or debris that may have fallen in there. We also coated the inside of the boots like before and I had him install the spark plug wires onto the spark plugs so he could get a feel of them getting connected.
Also received delivery of my 10mm 12pt deep socket for the plenum 8mm bolts, with the 10mm head. It will be a breeze when installing these between the runners. Since everything is apart, I was thinking about painting the hose clamps. But after I cleaned them, and since they are SS, I decided to leave them in their natural finish. Soaked them in a solution, and they cleaned up very well. They are USA made and I would assume that they are the original clamps. Another item checked off. Back out to the garage for some tube painting and possibly some PCV assembly before an early 4th BBQ party later today.... wires all connected and ready to go... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...701_114556.jpg the correct socket for the job... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...701_114714.jpg my cleaning items for the clamps... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...701_112954.jpg http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...701_113926.jpg all SS, USA made... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...701_113248.jpg looks like the part #'s and possibly the size...don't even know if these are still being made, I would imagine so, but not sure... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...701_113550.jpg |
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When you say that you used "white grease" on the plug wires & connections, did you mean Silicone dielectric grease or lithium White Grease?
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Was getting ready to install the plenum today, but ran into a major dilemma with the plenum itself. Either I'm getting old and can't see as well....lol but there were some spots that I noticed were not completely covered with paint.
So since it has already been cleared and since I am not going to strip it again (this year...lol), it is now in the open paint booth drying as I am trying a touch up spray procedure. Other than that was moving right along getting everything else ready. thought I clean up the AC while it is exposed.... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...702_124801.jpg nothing crazy, but better than before... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...702_130943.jpg had everything wiped down and ready to go... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...702_140603.jpg until I noticed this.... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...702_143002.jpg and this... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...702_143004.jpg and this too... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...702_143019.jpg |
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Looks like I might get a pass this time....spray touch up appears to have worked. we shall see!!!
all covered now... http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...702_151409.jpg http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...702_151435.jpg http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...1ce685e6b8.jpg |
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