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A26B 07-30-2011 03:27 PM

Re: AM Rings?
 
One more helpful hint.... Excessive back clearance is not a good thing. Combined with "loose" side clearance, excessive back clearance has a negative effect on ring stability.

LGAFF 07-30-2011 03:36 PM

Re: AM Rings?
 
In reading federal mogel and others .002 to .004 is the recommended value.....several articles noted this is the minimum for allowing gas pressure to seal the ring against the piston wall.

I do not see these as having excessive back clearance.

I do not see ring flutter as an issue..apparently you need 840o RPM for this to happen



A26B 07-30-2011 03:52 PM

Re: AM Rings?
 
I do not know what the back clearance is Lee. You mentioned that it should be a minimum of 0.005" but if it is significantly greater, due to the ring cross section width, then stability does become an issue that will be exacerbated by higher side clearance. I'm more concerned about longevity than flutter.

Have you checked the ring cross section width & compared it to a new stock ring? I can get you that measurement from a new one if you like. This was one of the principal concerns with the Total Seal rings. It would be nice to resolve this.

LGAFF 07-30-2011 04:04 PM

Re: AM Rings?
 
See what you get on the measurement.....I will measure one here


1st ring side clearance is .004
2nd ring side clearance is .003

LGAFF 07-30-2011 04:12 PM

Re: AM Rings?
 
I see a difference of about -.0025 to -.003...

total seal is thinner

LGAFF 07-30-2011 04:15 PM

Re: AM Rings?
 
I will call total seal on Monday; the guy I spoke to was very confident that these would be fine...will send him a note and call. This is where having someone who is truly an expert in rings would help.

There is alot of info out there.....what is true and what is belief are hard to discern


I did send them the OEMs when I ordered them to compare

A26B 07-30-2011 06:48 PM

Re: AM Rings?
 
So happens I will be seeing A couple of real experts on the LT5 next weekend :-)

LGAFF 07-30-2011 08:05 PM

Re: AM Rings?
 
Used a caliper to measure the backspace on the piston, then measured it against the ring width, and check with feeler gauge: .016 on the Stock and .026 on the Total seal

LGAFF 07-30-2011 10:21 PM

Re: AM Rings?
 
I don't see anywhere that references too much backspacing.....the ring is actually pushed out against the liner due to compression.....so not sure what I should be referencing.....

Any clues? I did send a note to total seal on specs

LGAFF 07-30-2011 11:57 PM

Re: AM Rings?
 
Should have just went with a damn 368


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